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hunting in trash

Sube...I am torn as to weather I should use the DEEP ON setting in trashy areas...I have been using it all year, but I am now thinking it may be enhancing the deep trash as well...I keep FAST OFF, to get more accurate ID's...Any thoughts on this...Thanks
 
I'll wager an answer until sube responds. It depends on what mode you are in. I know that wen using the high-trash setting, it will enhance the accepted targets but not the rejected ones. As for iron falsing that bleeds into the accepted zones, it probably would enhance those also.
 
DO YOU HAVE A TRASH PROGRAM !!

if so i like running TTF IN HIGH TRASH SEP. MODE and fast on DEEP OFF P-2 WIDE OPEN to see were icon goes
 
MINELABBOB said:
DO YOU HAVE A TRASH PROGRAM !!

if so i like running TTF IN HIGH TRASH SEP. MODE and fast on DEEP OFF P-2 WIDE OPEN to see were icon goes
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That makes no sense. is the first line a question or a statement?
Secondly, running wide open and no discrimination completely counteracts what the high-trash mode is created to do.
 
Nobody is getting worked up but you. You apparently asked a question wish exclamation marks which makes it difficult to understand.

As for the setting, I don't have to try it to understand what it going on. The high trash setting was created to allow accepted targets to come through even when there is larger rejected targets under the coil at the same time. Putting it in high trash with zero discrimination is completely self defeating.
 
Jason in Edin ? for you The High Trash setting can identify weak accepted target signals amongst rejected
targets even if the rejected target signals are stronger. The advanced signal
processing takes the best accepted target signal and ignores all the rejected target
signals no matter how strong they are .

This is from the manual I'm not seeing this at all it would be a dream if it worked this way what are your thoughts on this . I know if you disc out nails which become a null now in this mode and place a dime by it it well not here it any better than the other modes ? sube

Sube...I am torn as to weather I should use the DEEP ON setting in trashy areas...I have been using it all year, but I am now thinking it may be enhancing the deep trash as well...I keep FAST OFF, to get more accurate ID's...Any thoughts on this...Thanks

This is my take on fast or deep on These are my settings ferrous coin combine gain 30 normal sounds just easier to decipher target trace target trace pinpoint in sizing to build a target once it's on the screen fast on seawater enabled to cut down on chatter and let's me run higher sensitivity my bins are 1 1 to 10 200hz bin 2 11 to 15 1000hz bin 3 16 to 28 200hz bin 4 29 to 50 1000 hz and iron bin 75 hz open screen 2 ( fairground old parks )

So all that I have to listen for is the high tone keep it simple if I hunt a place that's old I will open bin 2 to 11 to 24 for copper nickel Indians Hunting for rings bin 1 go's to 1 to 24 at a 1000 hz keep it simple

It going to get noisy in iron but you are only listening for that high tone keep it simple after a while you don't hear the iron and get used to it because your only listening for that high tone

Getting back to your ? deep on was to enhance signals deep or shallow but uses more processing which slows the ctx somewhat and also uses processing for enhance id which slows it more I have tested it on in ground targets fast on deep on I have good hearing and did not see any differences in sound between them however ids were more stable in deep.

But that said SOUND IS YOUR # ONE CLUE target trace then id so you can see id is the least important of the three .Fast will find any coin that deep on will find from my testing .#s in trash can be all over the place but are close to the coin range when a coin is hit .

Deep has it's place such as a low target environment fast will serve you better in trash The thing you need in trash is processing speed between targets fast does this deep is slower . To get even more speed slow down your sweep ctx will be darn close to any detector with a slower sweep targets get analyze better and more targets in one sweep than by going faster. A smaller coil can be run slower than a big coil and still get the depth you want also a smaller coil can be crank higher than a big coil before it start chattering to you making it a wash .

I can guaranteed you that you left coins in that high trash area using deep on :thumbup: sube
 
Hmmmm, so you haven't seen the high-trash setting affects much? I haven't used it a lot on the CTX because it's already dang good at sniffing out coins among the trash. I do know that the HT mode was my "secret weapon" on the E-Trac. When I started using it, I killed the silver in the heavy iron trash. I hunted behind other guys and they were blown away by what I dug that everyone had missed.

So.... since the CTX is closer to an updated E-Trac than a complete new machine I would assume (I know how dangerous that is) it would behave the same. But like I said, the FE-Coin mode does such a great job, I haven't felt the need to leave it in any other mode.
 
But like I said, the FE-Coin mode does such a great job, I haven't felt the need to leave it in any other mode.
This is the same reason I don't leave ferrous coin kind of a shame I don't use the other modes as much I have asked this ? several times and still have not got a answer so I will test some more and see what comes up . thanks for your reply sube
 
Tons of good info on this thread. Im not disagreeing with anything posted here but would like to add what I have learned since Nov. of last year with over 160 silver coins, 6 gold rings and many more finds.Most of my finds were in so called hunted out old parks. Its the back yard of two people that live near the park,one is a ETrac owner(I thank him for cherry picking). Sweep speed is a double edge sword, to slow will miss deep good targets and targets next to iron. One example I can think of is when i was turning around to go back to my truck, as I turned,faster than I sweep, I got a chrip, so i had to check it out, this target would only hit in one direction and with a fast sweep,really fast, it ID'd 1-37, had to dig, I forget the year but that didn't matter I was surprised to see a silver quarter. it was at least 8 maybe 9" down past the soft dirt into the chrep on a slight edge. Same thing happen with a star carbine bullet, next to a large rusted bolt. wide open screen TTF. I swing at a normal pace 98% of the time, i do the fast sweep on iffy signals. Check out my pics on fakebook Brody Dawson
 
Thanks for the reply sevenpiece yes going faster well clean up a signal minelab says to use a faster sweep in seawater and ht but when hunting in a target rich site such as 15 to 20 hits per sweep your brain has to keep up with the sounds that's why I say keep it simple look for the high tone that's how I have my ctx setup .

To get more depth without picking up adjacent targets at the same time in high trash areas use the minelab wiggle you can move the coil quickly back and forth to clean up signals that aren't really that clean .As far as picking coins up at a faster sweep in a pile of trash your going to hit a coin now and then where a slower sweep won't just the way it's laying with iron or a clearer spot in the trash pile it happens it's just the way it is .

But getting back to that target rich area you have to hear that sound before you investigate so the more you can keep up with the sounds the deeper and faster you can swing that's why I say keep it simple look for that high tone there's a happy medium in there somewhere with your brain and sweep speed.

I generally sweep 2 seconds a sweep that's one way which is three feet long this is my happy medium to let me hear all 15 to 20 hits and still be able to hear the high tone in there this is with the 6 inch coil .Larger coil here and the sweep speed has got to go down just more signals to process in your brain and since you are swinging slower with the larger coil the depth well not be any different than swinging with the smaller coil which is moving faster . Just remember that the stock coil is processing 8 gallons of dirt under the coil and the 6 is processing 1 1/2 gallons of dirt under the coil so the 6 should give a better signal in targets that are adjacent to iron .

So it would be great if a detector came with a manual that was actual hunting conditions but it can't be done because ever thing is different from one site to another and targets are mixed in trash different than targets mixed in trash 2 feet from where you just looked .

So it's great that we have a board to talk about it and get as many views and experiences from different members and thanks for your contributions . sube
 
Thanks for your helpful response on the Deep On or Off question Sube...I'll try turning Deep Off and Fast On...for my next outing...
 
Thanks for the word of confidences. I need to add that I missed to topic of the thread until after i posted my comments, my bad. I do have a question though. I did much research on the 6" or the 10X5 Deep seker CoilTek coil, buying used. Ive ask an unnamed dealer that uses the CTX and he said 5X10 no doubt. But I still reservations with the 5x10, because i'm only losing a inch in length and what i think is the best part is losing 6" on width(maybe that's the trick) I missed out on the 6", it was sold before I could reply on my post on fakebook group, MD Buy Sale Trade USA Only, (threw that in there if anyone looking for used accessories or machines). Any ways what your thoughts on the two coils.
 
Here's my though on the 6 to the 5x10 never ran the 5x10 it well cover more ground than the 6inch 50 square inches verses 36 square inches .
It's still 10 inches long that means targets will still hit the tail of the coil when trying to isolate targets with the tip , the reason I use the 6 is because it is the smallest coil and that's what you need in target rich locations . However the shape of the coil lends well to adjacent targets side to side by not picking them up .
But the 6 can be turn 90 degrees to the target and do just as well with out picking adjacent targets with the trailing edge of the coil . So you can pick up a used 6 a lot cheaper than the 5x10 used . sube
 
Thanks for your help. Seems we are thinking the same about the two coils, I got a 5X10 so I'll let you know how it works in trashy areas. I'm still going to get the 6" after I recover from Christmas spending, GL&HH
 
I posted on fakebook looking for a 6" or 5X10 a guy had a 6" but by the time I seen it , it was sold $250, So I got the 5X10 for $250, I'm still gonna get a 6', I know how well it works on my XTerra 505.
 
The 5X10 measures the same from toe to heel as the stock 11" ? coil 9 5/8"X 11". The 5X10 measures 9 5/8" X 5 1/2". I guess that's why Coiltek calls it a deep seeker, has very good depth and separation. I was hitting .22 cal. at better than 6". found a few fired bullets one good lookin .56 Spencer all better than 6" I didn't measure any finds this time.
 
I am confused a bit by this thread (and the way the CTX acts) when two targets are detected.
1) it is not clear if you can use discrimination to eliminate one of two targets identified. In the screw/coin testing, will maskiing iron leave you the iron sound? If not, why? Why did Minelab decide it better to have silence?
2) are there detectors that play two or more sounds simultaneously?
 
Those 2 targets the screw and coin together are seen as one this is a blended target with iron and silver copper or other high conductor . If the coin and screw are not touching then you would get audio .
Disc well not effect the target because it's seeing iron and a high conductor at the same time and you can not disc out the high conductor . But iron by itself will disc out .
I still don't know why the signal dose not give audio I think it's canceling out the audio part because the signals are canceling out each other ? .
If you run in pattern 1 the same thing happens no matter what level of disc you use even with the screw disc out .
I think the target trace is more intelligent than the audio because it can place the two on the screen at the same time .Maybe the audio dose not work because it can't tell what it is a high conductor or low conductor .
But if you put a pull-tab with a dime it well read 12.35 instead of 12.43 low conductor with high conductor touching why it gives audio in this situation don't know all I can say is it must be a iron thing
If anybody has a ideal feel welcome to post . sube
 
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