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hunting in trash

Sube,

Excellent video! Thank you for posting it, it really helps explain what you're talking about and how to hunt in those really trashy areas. I appreciate all of the videos you have taken the time to post and sharing your experience so my hat is off to you sir! Thank you very much!

Don
 
McClod said:
I've been hunting with my CTX now since the first part of November, so almost 6 months, coming from my first detector, an AT Pro. I have about 150 hours on my CTX now, and after some initial experimentation, and researching, I started hunting mostly in Ground Coin mode because our soil here in the NW is pretty highly mineralized. GC gives me the best target ID info. However during trial and error experimentation, scanning surface coins in my yard, and placing various ferrous items near a silver quarter, in GC mode the coil totally nulls out and I got nothing at all with a piece of iron about 2x2 1/2 inchs within 2 to 3 inches of the silver quarter. So I started experimenting more with Ferrous Coin mode. In ferrous coin I started experiencing exactly what Sube originally posted about. But in Ferrous Coin I can see two targets, while if hunting in Ground Coin I do not. I hunt quite a bit with discrimination, but also switch around to open screen a lot to help verify what I'm seeing. While hunting in FC my CTX so often shows a target in the lower right hand corner, the iron range, and another target in the mid/upper right corner in the 12:37 to 12:42 range, almost like it thinks there is always a penny underneath it while scanning. Ive been seeing this alot with the 17 inch coil too. My quest since buying this machine is to learn how to find coins mixed in with iron like so many here seem quite able and capable of doing, but my experience has been mainly digging a lot of bent nails. I have had a few finds of coins that had nails in the mix and thought I was on to something, however that has been the fluke more than the rule for me. I just can't seem to master this machine, it seems the more I learn the less I know hahahah! I love the machine though, so far I've found 13 silver coins since January of this year. They are not easy to come by here in NW Oregon! Deepest dime was at a true 9 inches and it had iron on both sides of it, I must of scanned that signal for 10 minutes because I thought it was just my normal infrequent but repetative good signal mixed in with iron signals. I was in ground coin for that one however and was more than a little surprised when out popped a 1958 rosie. It seems 9 times out of 10 when I get a repeatable, but not as frequent good target ID especially in silver range that it is just plain old iron or a nail fooling me and its become frustrating trying to learn to tell the difference but I am determined to master this thing. I'm at a loss for what to do or try at this point. I've experimented with my programs, mainly use a modified coin program in which I have lowered the amount of discrimination and lowered the ferrous line to 24. I also use another program set up in Ferrous Coin and switch between the two to help me better determine target vs iron in ground, and both programs have open screen to flip to. I've began hunting more and more with an open screen and I hunt about 50/50 now with auto +3, and manual up to around 27 max with saltwater on to help tame down the jitters as with my soil here the machine gets pretty unstable with manual settings so usually wind up falling back to auto mode.

I appreciate all the time everyone has taken posting so much great information about this detector and how to use it, I've been working hard at putting the information to good use, but still struggle to find silver, and am afraid that I am walking over good silver all the time and not hearing it because ground coin won't pick it up if there is iron near it, and Ferrous coin seems to false alot and always seems to indicate a 12:37 or so with iron just about all the time I'm scanning so it gets to the point that I just give up on it and go back to GC. I hope eventually I'll figure out what I'm doing with my detector, lord knows I've been putting in the hours on it! Thanks for all the info guys! HH

6'' coil will be the best investment you've ever made in relic hunting.
 
I need a repeat education ground-coin versus ferrous -coin. What was the difference and under which circumstances would you use them?
thanks
 
http://youtu.be/R6QlVhKVwZw A lot of people have problems with nails this is a pretty good way to get rid of most of them . As you know targets give different responses when scanned two different ways when there not round or square if a target is long one way and short the other way it will read different period . This also go's for depth reading as you can see in the video . to confirm this try pinpointing a long target the pinpoint will move from where you get the best hit . Caps come in all different metals some have aluminum foil in the cap others are not round some ragged and others half there. Caps will high tone on you if they have points on them watch the video and see what caps can do .Any ? just ask I will try to help. sube
 
I have had this machine for a couple of years and recently came close to selling it and going back to what I am comfortable with. I love Whites and hav ethe MXT Pro but thought about the TDI Pro. I have been missing targets and when one only has one day a week to detect you don't want to miss a good coin! My buddy who has an e-trac just goes behind me and gets what i don't see ot hear! in one sidewalk strip beweet the two of us there was a total of 15 wheats. He found the majority although I gridded first and very SLOWLY. A buddy had told me to keep the sensitivity up as high as possible. Well I dropped a couple of silvers on the ground and held the coil up bout 9 inches. ON the high manual I heard nothing. I switched to Auto+3 and there it was-the sound and numbers! I use ferrous coin here in San Diego as I mostly hunt on private properties and sidewalk strips. I am not GIVING UP on this machine!!! My buddy with the e-trac and I are going to a park here where he and a buddy have extracted 200 silver coins over time. He never wants to go there because it has been "hunted out". I love to hear him say that and prove him wrong. last week he found 2 mercs to my silver rosie. If anyone has any ideas for a trashy park with clay soil 9rare here in SD) I would appreciate any thoughts! Thanks in advance. Peggy
 
Peggy,
What park is that you are referring to? I have had some success at Chollas park, where I've found a few silvers, and quite a few wheaties. It is the perfect park based on the conditions you are asking. Look me up on FB if you like (Michael Bergman), I live near San Diego. Good luck, HH.
 
Hi Michael!

Well I saw 3 Michaels that live "near" San Diego (up the coast) so I really need more of a cue :). I was detecting in memorial Day Park in South East san Diego. I pull at least 1 silver each time I go. The soil is heavy clay which is rare around here. I haven't tried Chollas Park but I do try to hit the older parks and have been fortunate to continue to find silver even when my detecting buddy tells me the park has been hunted out!! I love the challenge and the CTX!!!!!

Thanks,

Peggy
 
Looks like another really good reason to grid and hunt in both directions!!
Joe
 
Thanks Sube! I really need to pay closer attention to previous entries such as yours here before I go asking the same questions. Your video explained exactly what I was asking in a previous txt. Thanks again. Mike
 
Thanks for your video's and posts.
 
SUBE
nice video i came across this awhile ago. and made me think but the dead give away 4 -me was a pattern showing up with no audo . i knew the CTX was telling me something but at the time i was working on another issue.so it only happen 2-3 times out of 10.000 signels now i never see this show up any more.
FC also during my testing was also good on tagging deep targets. so i dont know if my CTX has set it self up to stop this from happening or the signals
are not there?? most of the time 4-me is the pattern if the icon is running high in all my modes time to dig if icon drops out and in my modes is acting wild
i walk by. HIGH TONES in all directions with a crazy pattern i dig i had 1 the other day broken high tone and iron grunt but again after digging so many like this i went 4 -it 1 big iron nail on top of brass not the best find but could have been a brass compac or watch.

glad to see you teaching and showing all of us that the CTX CAN BE TRICKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thank MINELABBOB yes ferrous coin can be tricky but I have found is if it's with iron ferrous coin gives the most usable information out of all the modes I have tried . The thing about a no audio hit is the downgraded hit 12.37 or lower is key and the more red in the curser the better and a stable curser on the 12 line is even a better indication of a non ferrous item with iron . sube
 
YES I DONT DISAGREE
but i use all my ammo wen i go to do battle.FC.-HT..-GC.-LT. and why not it was put there to use!!!!!!
 
YES HUNTING IN TRASH.
all i can say is use all the tricks that the CTX HAS every day 4-me i open my bag of tricks, the only way to fight TRASH!!
NO RULES wen we go to fight! the CTX has a lote of FIRE POWER TO USE to get the job done. wen you learn what you have it makes combat
so much easy. dont be afraid to pull out all your tricks, and technique. one of the biggys is go slow and listen 4 high tones.


WELL GOOD HUNTING!!!!!!!!!!
 
Nice video, always good to watch something you can learn from.
 
Sube,
This video makes more sense and answers more questions about the "worth it" issue on a CTX I have ever seen on the tube.
The manual and advertisements clearly state that it will "see" good items when rust is present amongst the good item.
"Unknowingly", this past Saturday I was at the river where many a poker game has been played and I have found a lot of coin
there but nothing mentionable other than a whettie now and then. That with the AT Pro and Safari. Not knocking either one of
them as I have found over $3700.00 in gold with those 2 machines. But, this past Saturday I kept getting a "peep" in a trashy
area where there was a fire built. One way I lost it completely and at a 90 degree turn, I could only get a peep "one way". I
decided to dig it and make that my last dig as it was hot. I first dug up an old spark plug and a piece of rusty iron. Just by
chance, I stuck my pinpointer back in the hole before covering it up and bam!!! Something else was just a little deeper. I dug
a bit more dirt out and by gosh a 1936 Mercury dime fell back in the hole. Just read your blog and watched the video. Yesterday,
I had that silent hit twice in a local park. Didn't turn the 90 degrees and didn't dig. Will be going back this afternoon. Yesterday,
I could put the dead center of the coil dead over the center of the loudest sound and I would have a target filled with dark red.
Now I know there were coins there. By the way, when this park was built, it was filled in by dirt to level it out from burned down
houses in town that they first sent to the landfill and then used that same dirt to fill in the low places in that park.
Thanks millions for making this video
 
I thought I would post this here so it does not get lost . I would watch the vid on the half dollar and look at the screen shot you notice that the cursor has red in it a lot more than the dime or indian because the dime and indian are almost mast out where as the half is not so much mast .

The dime and indian with a smaller nail well have more red than with the bigger screw I used.

As far as 12.40 12.41 showing a cursor on the 12 line and iron in the bottom corner which happens quite often , there well be no red in the cursor and the #s are to high to be located with a coin and nail . The # s that read 12.37 are what I am looking for the reason is this is a blended signal nail with coin no audio any thing higher well give a good signal and will not be silent in my ground 12.40 12.41 are where my falses happen so you will have to see where your #s for falses happen .

The 12.40 and 12.41 are where I get a silent hit I think it has to do with iron rust from a older nails bottle cap or what ever that has decomposed over time leaving just a halo and the machine puts that on the 12 line most of these I have dug I have not found anything there but if you use a magnet you will find rust flakes on it from the hole you dug . So I ignore the 12.40 to 12.41 that are silent because they are rust and anything higher unless it makes a sound .

So 12.37 on the 12 line with red is a shallow coin with a nail or other iron object , ones that have very little red or none at all well be 6 inches or deeper or are just mast heavier than the ones with more red .

Anything lower than 12.37 well be a non ferrous object when it gives no audio but the cursor has red or not . The more red the better .

I would also like to add that anything on the 12 line that reads higher than 12.37 12.38 well likely be iron rust if it does not give audio .
The machine well not give audio on rust but the target trace well show it on the 12 line 12,39 or higher depending on the size of the object that has rusted away . so yes it is a iron false but only to target trace .A audio iron false is a false with a iron object that the machine can see this is a real false as compared to a rust false that shows on the 12 line in target trace . I also believe that concentration of minerals also show up on the 12 line witch displays this on the 12 line as a false with no audio. sube
 
When I went back home to my parents old farm I did notice what you are explaining. Found a merc that came in 12 39 4-5 inches down but had several broken up iron pieces with it.
 
DONT KNOW
if i ever seen them no# go that low?? but 12-39 can be dig or no dig sometimes twist top and others a nice shiney silver dime!!
 
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