Starting to hear that the Cazador is a no go.

[plidn1]

Monte,
If they can get a good marketing guy in place with some real pull in the company they could still make it. Stop listening to us old timers on the forums and quit listening to the old timers at Tesoro and step back and look at what has been successful revenue generators in the industry. I'll point out two examples:

1st Texas Products and the Bounty Hunter line up.

Garrett and the ACE-250,

These two are proven examples of revenue generators and are geared toward those first time novices in the hobby. They are inexpensive, work decently enough, and have enough bells and whistles to draw the attention of the novice. If Tesoro can come up with something along these lines and then get them into the big box stores (Walmart, Big 5, Dicks, Cabalas, etc) they may be able to generate enough revenue to design something to compete in the high end market that many of us like to watch.

If I was Tesoro, I'd make a Tesoro ACE-250 designed with one thing in mind, and that would be attracting new users. Put a $199 price tag on it and big box it into a house hold name.

Then do what 1st Texas did with the T2 and F75 and all their prodigy, and what Garret did with the ATPro.

HH
Mike

I agree 100%.
They have the perfect detector to do it with. I would guess it would be an easy make over.
They could come out with a compadre XL (or whatever) comparable to the Ace 250 and offer it in the $200 to $300 range.

It would be a home run. .

 

[Nomad NJ]

I have a Sov GT which is a great machine. Minelab came out with a new machine which cost $2500. It has all the bells that most people do not use. The Sov Gt cost $1500 less and has a good following. Not many people bought the new detector until the Sov Gt was discontinued. I will never buy another new Minelab again. I bought a new Vaq as a back up and for seeded hunts and am happy with it. I just hope that Tesoro will be around if I need warranty service. My first detector a Fisher 1226 stopped working and I wished I had a warranty on it. If Tesoro comes out with a detector to compete with the high end machines it will cost a lot

 

[tabman]

What's so hilarious is a 10 year old Tesoro Vaquero can still kick butt of the competitors latest releases and do it at a fraction of the cost.

For those who think that the other brands are better, stop your whining, go buy one and start swinging it. It's that simple.

tabman

 

[hihosilver]

What's so hilarious is a 10 year old Tesoro Vaquero can still kick butt of the competitors latest releases and do it at a fraction of the cost.

For those who think that the other brands are better, stop your whining, go buy one and start swinging it. It's that simple.

tabman

 

[hihosilver]

Not I agree that Tesoro should come out with an "ACE 250" kind of machine or any entry level unit. I own the Golden uMax, older tones version and I have to say I really like this unit. Make a Golden with tones (in the correct conductive order) with ground balance and the 4 AA battery power of the Vaq and you got all one needs. I think that the Holden's only weakness is depth, which adjustable ground balance could take care of. I think a nice readable analogue meter might be nice as well, especially for depth.

With my golden and the set up I use, I can get a very distinctive sound for finding nickels. Was out yesterday and correctly IDed 10 nickels in the space of two hours. I am calling'em before I dig'em, and only rarely is it something like a coin shaped ball of foil.

Hopefully, the Caz will have the tones of the golden with the depth of a Vaq and the discriminator of a Tesoro!

 

[dirt doctor]

Was reading another forum and heard some rumblings that the Cazador will not be happening. I hope Tesoro is not having $$ problems.

Fingers crossed that it ain't true.

Apparently that's pretty much all they were "rumblings" . Nothing based on proven fact or any information from Tesoro themselves . Just a few folks saying what they believed was happening with the Cazador and the future of Tesoro itself . Someone may state what they think is going on but that doesn't always make it true . They can't know what's going on for sure unless they work for Tesoro or have a way of accessing that information . To say Tesoro isn't capable of producing something new or revolutionary because of lacking someone with the expertise could be wrong . They could have hired someone no one knows about or made some new discoveries with the people they already have .
I can't say what is going on I honestly don't know . I do wish them all the best and am hoping they come out with a new model I "just have to have ". Tesoro has been good to me and a lot of other folks over the years ( maybe too good ) . Spreading rumors without facts is destructive not productive . Happy hunting .

 

[Coin$triking Michigan]

People wouldn't have to "start rumours" or speculate if Tesoro would say something. They must know by now that people want to know one way or the other if a new machine is coming out so we can plan/set money aside. How hard is it to just acknowledge that something is in the works? Piss poor decision on their part I think. I know of people already who had cash set aside for the Cazador but bought something else because there was no word on it. They aren't popular enough amongst the metal detecting community to start alienating their customers.

 

[jld66]

i just wonder why tesoro has not posted anything on their face book page since february 10th. when before they posted something every couple of weeks. if the new detector is going slow for them, i think they could say something. like, it is not how we want it yet, had a set back, something. but, to just say nothing is kinda strange i think. not knocking them. but, if it were my company. i would say something. on their FB page january 29th. they posted the name. it has been all this time and nothing. even though im not interested in another detector. my vaq works great. i do agree that it is a crappy thing to do on their part...

 

[oneguy]

For those who think that the other brands are better, stop your whining, go buy one and start swinging it. It's that simple.

tabman

That's exactly what many of us have already done (take note Tesoro)

What's so hilarious is a 10 year old Tesoro Vaquero can still kick butt of the competitors latest releases and do it at a fraction of the cost.

tabman

Heck....I've got a 22-23yr. old Golden Sabre that'll probably kick butt on a Vaquere on a competiton hunt....lol

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

Seriously the other companies communicate publicly often with customers through the web.
Tesoro keeping their Facebook page void of posts for close to a year does not help. Honestly I just think the Gifford boys accepted the inheritance of the company to make their dad happy. I don't think they care and I predict Tesoro going under or selling off the company. Probably the best move at this point for them to pull a Fisher like sale. I still think 8 years between the vaquero and the outlaw is pathetic. I criticized them over a year ago in here and gave suggestions of engaging the customers for feedback, utilizing social media, and website functionality. They seemed to listen for only a minute and here we are again wondering what the hell is going on. So dirtdoctor, can you blame the speculation we have? Human nature is what it is. Also let's not forget the debacle and long time Tesoro water machine absence due to a wateproof coil connector. And what happened to the golden? Tesoro lost the program for the chip set?

 

[dirt doctor]

Seriously the other companies communicate publicly often with customers through the web.
Tesoro keeping their Facebook page void of posts for close to a year does not help. Honestly I just think the Gifford boys accepted the inheritance of the company to make their dad happy. I don't think they care and I predict Tesoro going under or selling off the company. Probably the best move at this point for them to pull a Fisher like sale. I still think 8 years between the vaquero and the outlaw is pathetic. I criticized them over a year ago in here and gave suggestions of engaging the customers for feedback, utilizing social media, and website functionality. They seemed to listen for only a minute and here we are again wondering what the hell is going on. So dirtdoctor, can you blame the speculation we have? Human nature is what it is. Also let's not forget the debacle and long time Tesoro water machine absence due to a wateproof coil connector. And what happened to the golden? Tesoro lost the program for the chip set?

In light of everything I've read here and giving it thought I can't really blame the speculation . I wasn't even aware they had a facebook
page that was being ignored . As far as your statement about Tesoro not caring or selling the company this thread would be a perfect opportunity for them to show if they care or not . Somebody there has to be reading this . I like the company as I see you do by your past posts and I was hoping they could address whatever problems they are having or had and meet with some success . Time will tell and time moves on companies and products come and go we shall see what awaits Tesoro . Hopefully the day never comes when all our new detector options come strictly from other countries . Good talking to you Jason .

 

[TAB.HUNTER]

Was reading another forum and heard some rumblings that the Cazador will not be happening. I hope Tesoro is not having $$ problems.

Fingers crossed that it ain't true.

Apparently that's pretty much all they were "rumblings" . Nothing based on proven fact or any information from Tesoro themselves . Just a few folks saying what they believed was happening with the Cazador and the future of Tesoro itself . Someone may state what they think is going on but that doesn't always make it true . They can't know what's going on for sure unless they work for Tesoro or have a way of accessing that information . To say Tesoro isn't capable of producing something new or revolutionary because of lacking someone with the expertise could be wrong . They could have hired someone no one knows about or made some new discoveries with the people they already have .
I can't say what is going on I honestly don't know . I do wish them all the best and am hoping they come out with a new model I "just have to have ". Tesoro has been good to me and a lot of other folks over the years ( maybe too good ) . Spreading rumors without facts is destructive not productive . Happy hunting .

I cannot argue anything you said. I went down with Zenith Radio Corporation. Zenith was the last USA based TV manufacturing company. First, their advertising budget was cut. Then their ENGINEERS started getting picked off by the competition. Any ground breaking technological advances went out the back door with the engineers. That killed their ability to compete. Then massive layoffs and in the end, the doors were closed. Electronics is a very competitive business. Sure, one of the Tesoro engineers may have had a vision and revelation. They may even have a diehard engineer that is willing to look the other way when the competition offers him/her big bucks to leave. However, not even a peep from a P.R. person? I have my Outlaw. Love the machine. If Tesoro goes South, it won't really matter to me. I'll just keep swinging my "classic." It will probably hold it's value. Maybe increase??!! If it dies, I'll buy something else.
There is a reason for this thread. I think you would be hard pressed to find this kind of conversation on any other thread and on any other manufacturer.

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

I respect you immensely for not taking my criticism personally and us getting in a screaming match. I do love Tesoro and hope they do the right thing.

HH

Jason

 

[dan b]

That may be more prophetic than you realize. On this side of the ocean we get a camo paint job or a detector bundled with some extra coils and we call it new. In Russia they have detectors with 60 new patented technologies already available with more coming.

I wish Tesoro the best of luck with the new machine, but there is some tough competition out there already. In the meantime, still loving my Deleon!!

Dan

 

[homebre]

Why doesn't someone just e-mail the rep, who used to watch the board, or call Rusty Henry and ask what's up with the Cazador?

 

[Gunman64]

Why doesn't someone just e-mail the rep, who used to watch the board, or call Rusty Henry and ask what's up with the Cazador?

I did talk to Rusty Henry yesterday, he said there are new detectors coming. He said there is no prototypes yet to test, he said once one comes it will take 3 months of him testing it before we get it. He said there has been some setbacks so please be patient, he would not say what new things they have planned. He said when Jack Gifford started this company he did not set out to sell the most detectors, he wanted to sell the best and be the last detector standing. He is a straight shooter to me so I will take his word.


Ken

 

[lawbambam]

I like Rusty, hearing that makes me feel good about it. Thanks Gunman64 and Rusty.

 

[BarryL]

Why doesn't someone just e-mail the rep, who used to watch the board, or call Rusty Henry and ask what's up with the Cazador?

I did talk to Rusty Henry yesterday, he said there are new detectors coming. He said there is no prototypes yet to test, he said once one comes it will take 3 months of him testing it before we get it. He said there has been some setbacks so please be patient, he would not say what new things they have planned. He said when Jack Gifford started this company he did not set out to sell the most detectors, he wanted to sell the best and be the last detector standing. He is a straight shooter to me so I will take his word.


Ken

Sounds good to me gives me more time to save up all my clad and get ready to buy the new model next year in the Mean time the X2 will get a work out . Oh and you guys quit sending in them older units to get serviced when they don't really need it this slows up the building and testing of the new Cazador

 

[Coin$triking Michigan]

So from what Rusty said, it's safe to assume that a new detector won't be out for next spring either. Shame....people will spend their tax returns with other companies for sure.

 

[Mega]

At least some vague information has been mentioned,as they dont even have a prototype thats finished yet,then they have to gear up production etc etc,and that is after a lengthy test phase,so even if a new machine does finally come too market its going to be more like 12 months than 3 months that has been mentioned.

One can read a hell of alot about the state of the company from that information,me personally i dont think its good news at all,infact i think something serious is wrong with the company,not exactly sure what but it could be funding especially in the brief statement that they have experianced a few setback.That means funding or lack of,of course i could be wrong but i dont think i am some how.