CoinHunter2
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I'm hoping it has analog.
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Saw a refference to something called the MXSPORT. Any idea what it is?
- Thread starter Mike Hillis
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CoinHunter2
Member
I think the only thing difference is, analog gives a loud volume close to the surface, and less loud volume the deeper the object is. Digital give you the same volume on shalow or deeply buried items.
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
CoinHunter2 said:
Nope, that is called modulation. Some detectors have a fixed rate built in or none at all and on some detectors like the V3i, the modulation can be adjusted for how much audio volume difference you want from a very deep target to a surface target.
Andy Sabisch
Active member
And the MXSport has Audio Modulation as an option . . . . . .
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
vito said:
I hope someone can explain better than I but the analog audio has not been digitized by some detectors, or if it has as in the MXT, it is fed back through a D/A (digital to analog) converter to restore the original sound/tone quality. Some people will say the analog audio is a sweeter or richer sound that has more audio information. Nancy can tell the difference with her MXT and often calls her silver finds before digging just from the sound of the target.
Some other examples of analog vs. digital are records and CD's or film pictures and digital pictures. When something is digitized the original bit of audio or video has been replaced with a digit (number) that a computer understands.
Hope that helps Vito.
Jackpine Savage
Active member
Good to Hear Andy. I haven't had a White's in years, Maybe it's time.
Tom
Tom
CoinHunter2
Member
You are right, I was thinking modulation.
CoinHunter2
Member
I'm sure I'm correct in saying analog is a pure sine wave and digital is a sampling of a sine wave.
"OK...I admit it...I was wrong about the Price!
Even had a PM from Andy S advising so...I'm flattered!
However, the somewhat [ lower than I thought cost ] worries me some...
How will it [ hold up ] in the water?
Are they [ going to ] leak???
Where are the [ parts ] made??? USA? China?"
Even had a PM from Andy S advising so...I'm flattered!
However, the somewhat [ lower than I thought cost ] worries me some...
How will it [ hold up ] in the water?
Are they [ going to ] leak???
Where are the [ parts ] made??? USA? China?"
Andy Sabisch
Active member
White's continues to be made in the US . . . nothing changed there. The headphone cable connector was outsourced but that has nothing to do with the design and construction of the detector.
As far as leakage, I can't speak for all units for years to come but despite the weather being a tad cold (ice on the creeks), I had the unit in the water neck deep and had no issues with the unit or the battery pod - both of which are designed from the ground up and should not leak with some reasonable care.
The MXSport went through evolution during the pre-release testing and the final version is quite different then what they started with and feedback from testers is what got the product to the finish line. I found it extremely sensitive and targets at 8" sounded like they were on the surface. Changing coils and headphones is a snap which is not the case with the AT's unless you have tiny fingers. The display is well laid out and easy to read which again, is not what other units have in all cases. The flexibility of the MXT platform providing multiple detectors in one case followed thru into the MXSport and by updating components to what is available today, it takes performance to the next level.
Overall it is a solid detector and while we can start the "how does it compare to a XXXXX", it is sort of like the Which Pickup is better - Ford, Dodge or Chevy argument where there is no winner since it comes down to preference. For example, my wife and I went out a week or so ago and she pulled a 1937 class ring as her first signal while I found a lone Wheat all afternoon . . . . does that mean the MX5 she was using out performed by detector costing considerably more? Skill, coil placement and sometimes plain ol' luck tips the scale on many hunts . . . .
The MXSport will fill a niche and provide users with features not seen in one package before. There are may hobbyists that want one detector and do not plan on having 10+ in the closet and this unit will do just that
Andy
As far as leakage, I can't speak for all units for years to come but despite the weather being a tad cold (ice on the creeks), I had the unit in the water neck deep and had no issues with the unit or the battery pod - both of which are designed from the ground up and should not leak with some reasonable care.
The MXSport went through evolution during the pre-release testing and the final version is quite different then what they started with and feedback from testers is what got the product to the finish line. I found it extremely sensitive and targets at 8" sounded like they were on the surface. Changing coils and headphones is a snap which is not the case with the AT's unless you have tiny fingers. The display is well laid out and easy to read which again, is not what other units have in all cases. The flexibility of the MXT platform providing multiple detectors in one case followed thru into the MXSport and by updating components to what is available today, it takes performance to the next level.
Overall it is a solid detector and while we can start the "how does it compare to a XXXXX", it is sort of like the Which Pickup is better - Ford, Dodge or Chevy argument where there is no winner since it comes down to preference. For example, my wife and I went out a week or so ago and she pulled a 1937 class ring as her first signal while I found a lone Wheat all afternoon . . . . does that mean the MX5 she was using out performed by detector costing considerably more? Skill, coil placement and sometimes plain ol' luck tips the scale on many hunts . . . .
The MXSport will fill a niche and provide users with features not seen in one package before. There are may hobbyists that want one detector and do not plan on having 10+ in the closet and this unit will do just that
Andy
Frank in NH
Active member
Des it almost looks like you want it to fail! You better stick to Minelab.
Frank in NH said:
"No Frank: I'm in their corner too. (after all, I was their Dealer here in the '80's and that financially helped me thru college)
I was playing what's commonly called, 'Devil's Advocate' (One who argues against a popular cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply to make people discuss and consider it in more detail)
Thanks Andy for the detailed Notes. Appreciated.
I'll be getting one regardless and am looking forward to it."
Andy Sabisch
Active member
Des
Devil's Advocate is one thing but the way your questions have been read by those on the forum is what has caused the feedback you have received.
White's has never been known as a company that rushes products to market without testing and tweaking them before they are released. The fact that the price came in lower than you had placed your bet on is not indicative of the quality that the machine brings to the table. Minelab detectors are the priciest out there and built in the Far East and while they work, do you think they are problem free? In fact my daughter's Excalibur II leaked three times over the first 6 months we had it and is the reason she uses a DetectorPro Diver now. Price does not dictate quality or reliability.
Many of us that have been in the hobby for decades have a high regard for White's - for many of the formative years they owned 70% of the market and detectors such as the Coinmaster 6000 line, the XLT, the MXT and others were legendary in terms of performance and quality . . .in fact I still have several units from the 70's and 80's that work as well today as they did then.
The "Made in the US" is still their motto and with the exception of accessory items such as a cable or the like, the employees in Sweet Home still build each and every detector coming down the assembly line and more importantly, the service team there as well as at the regional service centers have always been first rate at dealing with any issues that might arise.
Why not let the feedback start to roll in once the units hit the street . . . .my wife and I were impressed overall with the unit - a few slight changes I might have made but most of what we fed back during the design was incorporated. Interchangeable coils make the MXSport a versatile detector and the price makes it affordable to a larger segment than one costing as much as a second hand car might.
Andy
Devil's Advocate is one thing but the way your questions have been read by those on the forum is what has caused the feedback you have received.
White's has never been known as a company that rushes products to market without testing and tweaking them before they are released. The fact that the price came in lower than you had placed your bet on is not indicative of the quality that the machine brings to the table. Minelab detectors are the priciest out there and built in the Far East and while they work, do you think they are problem free? In fact my daughter's Excalibur II leaked three times over the first 6 months we had it and is the reason she uses a DetectorPro Diver now. Price does not dictate quality or reliability.
Many of us that have been in the hobby for decades have a high regard for White's - for many of the formative years they owned 70% of the market and detectors such as the Coinmaster 6000 line, the XLT, the MXT and others were legendary in terms of performance and quality . . .in fact I still have several units from the 70's and 80's that work as well today as they did then.
The "Made in the US" is still their motto and with the exception of accessory items such as a cable or the like, the employees in Sweet Home still build each and every detector coming down the assembly line and more importantly, the service team there as well as at the regional service centers have always been first rate at dealing with any issues that might arise.
Why not let the feedback start to roll in once the units hit the street . . . .my wife and I were impressed overall with the unit - a few slight changes I might have made but most of what we fed back during the design was incorporated. Interchangeable coils make the MXSport a versatile detector and the price makes it affordable to a larger segment than one costing as much as a second hand car might.
Andy
Andy Sabisch
Active member
The coils might but not with the waterproof coil connector that is needed for the MXSport . . . . . there are currently 2 options coils for the unit (Eclipse 6x10 DD and 950 concentric)
Andy
Andy
Any word on an adapter possibly for existing coils. I'm curious if with an adapter would all the coils for the DFX work on this new detector? I have quite a few, including the legendary Bigfoot coil. If all the DFX coils would work on this one with an adapter, White's would have a HUGE selling point for those of us with coil collections still stuck on the DFX.
Bigfoot coil for DFX now working on a waterproof detector = HUGE win.
Bigfoot coil for DFX now working on a waterproof detector = HUGE win.