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Bill Ladd

And a coinstrike is a detector that keeps you awake counting numbers on the display.
 
It sure is and it works, the gold coin that came in a high tone proves it is different and works and makes you money to buy another high end machine when one comes out. 3Z rocks!
 
It can be just a new detecor that is state of the art like the DFX was. Something we all want to see what it can do that is different from all of the rest. Fisher is a great company I think the hobby is slowing down for some of us.
 
The 70 pro and the 3Z are the detectors in the line that I like. My cup of tea is not your cup of tea. That is why they came out with the EDGE something for someone that is willing to try something different. I just want more high end that is all.
 
for different folks, like Mr. Bill said. Mr. Bill & I also happen to have "3D's" (that's why we are busting you, you keep saying "3Z"). We both like them for what they were designed to do. I just don't get to use mine much because I don't coinshoot the right 1950's type spots. But it's good on the beach too.....
We're all Fisher guys here, & I'm glad your a CZ man. Just call it a "3D" and hopefully we can all move on. I know for many of us the soils frozen & sometimes we take out our frustrations on here....
 
You have to have HEART, and an attitude that says "I'm going to hunt, even if the detector doen't tell me the 'year of the coin' before I dig."
 
It's not all "high end" or $1000 detectors that count for everything. I happen to fair real well with an ID-Excel, which as someone mentioned above can be had used as low as $250 bucks in some cases :surprised: A definate STEAL for that, & I have outhunted many guys using detectors that cost 3x as much. Trash it's no contest. In fact many of my best finds for 2005 were Excel finds because my C$ was on loan & my Edge came later. Guys who favor other units should buy up the cheap used Excel's just for trashy iron areas. Knowning your unit...especially the sounds, not just the obvious ID showing is a huge success factor at least to me. Because of maybe the size, or price of the ID-EDGE maybe it appears sorta "middle of the road". But, it's opening some eye's with C$ like depth in a lighter package........
 
so how does the excel compair to the edge in trash?
 
I know it is just sometimes you want a new ride! I do love Fishers.
 
it compares quite well as in as good as and actually seems to be even better. Admittedly, I parted with my Excel a few months back so I can't really compare head to head now but I had a good amount of field time on the Excel and my early impression with the Edge now is just what I said. The bonus is that the Edge, along with it's Excel/C$ like speed, hits harder, deeper, and with a better more stable lock on good targets. Better modulation and AM audio too. If you like your Fishers and you want a new toy that will really compliment your CZ's, you might want to seriously reconsider this new Edge. Frankly, with the Excel and in lieu of the fact that I felt it was definitely the best detector out there in its price point, I also felt I was giving up some (not a lot but noticeable) performance with it compared to the C$ and CZ's and apparently like you, I struggled with that. I don't feel that way with the Edge. I also have a nice batch of Fishers that I'm happy with.... C$, Edge, CZ-70, CZ-3D, and 1270. They all have their individual strengths or else I'd part with the redundant ones. Again, JMO. :)
 
I fear stating my opinion, knowing there will be retaliations for my being honest, hence, my lurking status. I've run 2 sets of batteries through my ID EDGE and I'm having the same problems as you, as I did with the Coin $trike. In air tests, the EDGE is great. In real dirt, I'm also finding a lot of rusted and/or bent nails that register as +17 through +36, and this is from all different approach directions. I'm not a newbie to this hobby, I have 34 years of experience at detecting. In my dirt, it ground balances easily and well, but deeper targets (4" or greater) will not lock on very well. This is in several different areas. Seems like my old 1266 does much better. I'm not a CZ user, but I still have a problem with the ID EDGE. I know that NASA Tom is responsible for the CZ-70 and CZ-3D , and I love everything he writes. He has taught me so much, yet others are jealous of his knowledge, when we should be encouraging him to produce more. In my eyes, he is not 'old technology' as others have stated. Dirt matrix DOES matter. I know that Bill Ladd gets free detectors from Fisher and that Mr. Bill is a Fisher dealer, and, by all rights, they should be pumping up a new product. I respect them, but my EDGE experiences do not reflect their experiences. And I'm not sure why some people will slam the CZ's, but pump the EDGE (initially, the Coin $trike). Seems to me, they are BOTH Fisher detectors. The 'old coins' idea belongs to NASA Tom, and it is too bad that he had nothing to do with the ID EDGE. I think he would have done things quite differently. I was told that Dankowski has hooked up with Dave Johnson. If this is true, LOOK OUT! Also, I have never heard a dealer say anything bad about units they carry. Apologies, if my honesty offends anyone. Lets all enjoy our beloved freedom-hobby, enjoy each other, INCLUDING opinions. Slamming not allowed!

HH
Foot Doc Vance
 
which is a good two inches deeper then the CZ5, CZ3d. But only about an inch deeper then the CZ70 in my soil. Don't own a Edge, so can't comment on that.
 
Nothing wrong with being honest even no the Edge is not top of the line it seems a lot of the top of the guys are buying them. And no one is introducing a high machine that is the next step in maybe gettig more glod rings.

I am with you I don't like numbers as much as I like the meter on my 3DZ and my 6000XL. I know Whites and Minelab and Fisher are all going mid line and everyone is raving...but not me the 3DZ was and is different and is not for everybody...but it does push old coins into the high tone as it did with my twenty dollar gold coin. And NASA TOM was on the forum for a few months to help us understand this machine.

I just was hoping as I get older a new step in detecting would emerge like helping us find gold.
 
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