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ANNOUNCING THE NEW RACER 2!

Southwind said:
Um... no! I've owned all the high end detectors and a majority of the mid level.
I can assure you that I, too, have owned and used most of what some refer to as a "High-End" detector as well as most "Mid-Level" and even too many "Low-End" models. I get they, evaluate them, and decide of they work for me or not.

One problem we have is how we each decide or categorize what a High-End or Mid-Level detector is. I generally associate a detector by the MSRP price range it falls in. A Deus or CTX-3030 or V3i, for example, I class in the 'High-End' DOLLAR bracket. Certainly not High-End in performance, for me, and for the types of sites I hunt. A 'Mid-Level' detector to me is really a 'Mid-Prized' detector range that is more attractive and fitting for the bulk of the more enthusiastic hobbyists and avid detectorists. Detectors that are priced from about $600 to $800 or so as a detector-only price range.


Southwind said:
I know one when I see one by the specs.
I do also, and the 'specs' are more important than the suggested retail price. It doesn't matter what the price-point is, the detector either works and works well for what I want and need, or it doesn't. Many High-Priced detector have all sorts of adjustment features, but that doesn't matter when they really do not work all that well afield. It's all a matter of persona opinion and personal choice.


Southwind said:
Are you able to save custom programs like the majority of the high end machines?
Not only "High-End" detectors save programs, and even then the 'program' might not work all that well, anyway.

But Yes, the Racer 2 DOES provide a very easy-to-access Fd [size=small](Factory Default)[/size] or SA [size=small](Save)[/size] feature that allows you to select any changes to any of the five modes [size=small](except the Ground Balance setting)[/size] and save them. Better still, like the Nokta FORS series, you can make any change you want, then go to the search mode you prefer to use, and SAVE all settings, and doing so means that when you turn the Racer 2 'On' it starts up in the mode you prefer to use, and all settings are saved.


Southwind said:
Does it have near the number of target segments of the majority of high end machines?
Yes, I think '0' to '99 ought to be enough. So instead of Notching out broad segments with a liot of numbers, like many makes and models do, the Racer 2 lets you Notch reject any segment as you progress up the Discrimination range on the display.


Southwind said:
Does it have the number of tones like the majority of high end machines?
I usually hunt in 2-Tone or 1-Tone, and that's about I all I need. I do like to occasionally have a small-range of multiple tone for some city Coin Shooting, and the Racer 2 has a 3-Tone mode as well. Too many tones, especially on many lof the current or recent multi-tone detectors can leave you with a rather 'muddy' audio response, especially in trashier sites. Most people I converse with have tried several multi-tone detectors and, by far most of them don't like more than 3 or 4 tones.


Southwind said:
Then let's call it what it is and not try to trick the new less informed users in to thinking they're getting something they are not.
They aren't. They are getting a very well engineered detector, based on a proven platform that has excellent target separation abilities in masking trash, and functional adjustments. To this they added more useable features, like Tone Break, Iron Audio Volume, Notch Filter, a very wide-range Audio Tone adjustment, and extra DEEP mode for applications where it is applicable, and the Save or return to Factory Default features, plus a few more.

All this in what I consider to be a 'Mid-Level' priced detector with 'High-End' performance.


Southwind said:
What I see is a nice, very nice, mid level detector that anyone should be happy to own.
It is a Very, Very Nice Mid-Priced' detector that I know folks should be happy with.


Southwind said:
I don't see a high end machine. Sorry, just saying what I see.
I see High-End PERFORMANCE, regardless of price. I can enjoy good cooking and a great meal at reasonable prices from several locations, and end up with terrible food that lacks flavor and value from High-End, High-Dollar places to eat. I enjoy where I get the most for the best value.


Southwind said:
And if they price it in the high end range they will be disappointed in the sales I'm pretty sure.
MSRP is listed on the Makro Website as $749 for the Racer 2, and $949 for the Pro=Pack that includes rechargeable batteries and charger, two housing environmental covers, the excellent 'OOR' search coil plus the extra lower rod and mounting hardware and more in a backpack carrying bag.

To some hobbyists who are just getting into it or don't know the difference, they might thing=k anything over $300 is "High-End," but to those of us who enjoy quality, durability, performance, and useable adjustment features and in-the-field results, it is all here to be had in a "Mid-Level' or 'Mid-Priced' Racer 2.

I usually hunt more ghost towns, stage stops and railroad depot and siding sites, homesteads and barns and put-buildings, and other places that abound in dense iron trash. I hunt them with friends and other detector operators who use what detectors they have seemed to like. Last year on a Welcome-to-Hunt Outing [size=small](and you or anyone is invited to come join the fun)[/size] we had a aCTX-3030 with the brand new Minelab 6" DD coil mounted try to match some dense nail trash encounters we deal with. It was terrible! Other brand and models also had difficulty trying to work in and around all the metal debris.

The best performing detectors out of all makes present were a few Tesoro's, a lot of Makro Racer's and a couple of Nokta FORS CoRe's. Just my set of opinions, and I know the Racer 2 and how well it works in a good variety of hunting scenarios.

Monte
 
http://www.makrodetector.com/racer-metal-detector.html

Top, right-hand corner.
 
My only problem with the red racer was if I disc over 30 I would miss good targets.The sites I hunt are iron infested, and the audio was too much.And I like the racer 2 ,that I can silence the iron audio without discrimination, that's huge to me.
I'm very much looking forward to the racer 2,thanks to Monte,and Southwind for the feedback.Both were informative.
 
I just bought a Racer last week.I haven't even taken it out of the box yet.Now 6 days after buying it the Racer 2 comes out.Now I don't know what to do.Jeez!!!
 
Frank in NH said:
Is the Racer 2 pro package coming with a 5" round coil or the small oor coil?
The Racer 2 will have the new standard 7X11 DD and the 4.[size=small]7[/size]X5.[size=small]2[/size] 'OOR' coil.. The round 5" DD coils come with the 56 kHz Gold Racer or the 5" DD for the 19 kHz Nokta FORS Gold Plus.

Monte
 
DetectorCollector said:
I just bought a Racer last week.I haven't even taken it out of the box yet.Now 6 days after buying it the Racer 2 comes out.Now I don't know what to do.Jeez!!!
I have friends who own and use a Makro Racer and they have been out detecting yesterday and today and, guess what? The Racer still works! The Racer 2 didn't bump it into non-functional status, it only shows how good the Racer is. It's still in the product line, not discontinued. The Racer 2 has an MSRP that is $100 more than the Racer. Some can afford the difference and some can't. Some might want the added features and others won't.

Several of my hunting buddies who use the Racer don't listen to iron nails like me, they set the Discrimination to about '21' and just reject them. To them, the Iron Audio Volume adjustment isn't that important. On the other hand, some friends are pleased to hear the Racer 2 has Iron Audio Volume ... and two of them already have a Racer, and one, Oregon Gregg, ordered his Racer 2 yesterday as soon as he read about the product release.

That original Racer set a standard the racer 2 had to keep up with. My suggestion is just get out and use it, when the weather improves. You have a very good detector, trust me. Just use it.

Monte
 
Monte said:
Frank in NH said:
Is the Racer 2 pro package coming with a 5" round coil or the small oor coil?
The Racer 2 will have the new standard 7X11 DD and the 4.[size=small]7[/size]X5.[size=small]2[/size] 'OOR' coil.. The round 5" DD coils come with the 56 kHz Gold Racer or the 5" DD for the 19 kHz Nokta FORS Gold Plus.

Monte

Monte, thank you so much for all the info you are providing the members with! I need to chime in here and make a small clarification. The production coils will be the 5'' round ones.
 
The MX Sport is waterproof and that's it's main feature. It's essentially a re-worked MX5 to fix the glitches, and add a couple of functions, but I don't think they have addressed how well it can handle serious Relic Hunting needs like the Makro and Nokta product lines

Thanks Monte!
 
Also will the Racer coils work on the Racer 2 detectors?
 
it sounds like a good detector, the no more 82's for modern park hunters is a great thing expanding out the middle to high targets is a must have for modern park hunting, and well we all know that doesn't matter for hunting gold as it all has to come out anyway.

I see the disc the way its set up as great also, and good for cherry picking and for a modern park for time poor people to knock out the prevailing nuisance target which is usually some kind of tab, but we all know that means we are missing some gold.

so we all need to decide what we need a detector for and where it will be used, I took 4 machines with me last night ctx, gold racer, F19 & Cibola with a CSC and I used the F19 for 90% of the time, modern park bit of iron but mostly modern trash and this detector is high end it that situation it left a much more expensive machine in the car in a ctx.

so in this park the F19 was high end, I have other parks where the Cibola is high end and others where the ctx is high end.

so for me the word high end refers to what works in any given situation, for most I guess high end revolves around price. and yes that is true in a high price.

I don't use a hammer to fix my computer software and I don't use a key board to hammer in a nail.

the whole question for me is this detector the R2 or anyone I am considering going to fill a hole in my tool box and going to meet my needs in someway.

all new machines have to walk through the fire on forums, blogs etc.. some people have opinions and some have experience, I like to listen to all and make up my own mind as to do I need this machine will it fill a hole in my tool box or will it be an upgrade on another tool.

I seen the gold racer and it filled a whole so I bought one to try for myself as the ultimate tester is me. so cant wait to run it over a couple of parks I have pulled everything out of and I mean months and months of work in one park all that my other machines see is some iron left nails screws etc.. It will be a good test for the gold racer , then the gold fields when the weather cools a bit. so the gold racer filled a hole for me.

we all have different plans of attack different sites to hunt which require different tools.

for me I have not found better modern park gold hunters than the humble Tesoro and that's not my opinion its my experience , my point is that after 1000's of hrs. on any machine you get to know it pretty well.

I am sure those that take the time to get some experience with a racer 2 will come to like it sure has some nice features for the price.

and now it is more modern park cherry picking friendly its sure to stand up in the price range, will it find a slot in my tool box, yet to decide that but it has also grabbed my attention to some degree not gold racer degree, but its in my thoughts :biggrin:

so the question as its always been is this a tool I need to do what I need doing.

AJ
 
Nokta Detectors said:
Monte, thank you so much for all the info you are providing the members with! I need to chime in here and make a small clarification. The production coils will be the 5'' round ones.
Dilek, I didn't know you'd be up this late [size=small](your time)[/size] to catch my goof!

For readers who wonder, as some must because the question was asked, I like smaller-size coils. Both of these coils are performing admirably on the any Makro or Nokta devices I own and use. Both pull the keepers out from hiding in dense masking junk!

Thanks for the correction,

Monte
 
I determine high end based on features and performance which often go hand in hand. Most all detectors CAN work in any given situation depending on your skill with that detector. High end usually also revolves around price because more features generally means more money. Now and then you have a rule breaker where a detector with high end features sells for a reasonable price, but not very often. When you do have have a detector like the AT Pro, or the Racer which offer great performance and or features that are above most in its price range.

Myself I am now a very selective hunter which means certain features are a must for me. My hunting time is limited by health reasons. I smoked for 40+ years and now have COPD which means I run out of breath very easily and quickly. I spent 35 years hunting an average of 3-4 hours a day and 8-10 on weekend days now over the last 5 years I'm lucky to get in 1-2 hours on weekends. I can tell you it really has changed my priorities in detector choice. I have to make my time count which means I need to cherry pick and do a very good job. Last night it got to 74 degrees so I couldn't pass up a quick hunt. In my 15 minute hunt I dug 1 1943 silver war nickle and a rusted nail. It is features that make good cherry picking possible. I have had the best results from high end machines.
 
Southwind said:
I determine high end based on features and performance which often go hand in hand. Most all detectors CAN work in any given situation depending on your skill with that detector. High end usually also revolves around price because more features generally means more money. Now and then you have a rule breaker where a detector with high end features sells for a reasonable price, but not very often. When you do have have a detector like the AT Pro, or the Racer which offer great performance and or features that are above most in its price range.

Myself I am now a very selective hunter which means certain features are a must for me. My hunting time is limited by health reasons. I smoked for 40+ years and now have COPD which means I run out of breath very easily and quickly. I spent 35 years hunting an average of 3-4 hours a day and 8-10 on weekend days now over the last 5 years I'm lucky to get in 1-2 hours on weekends. I can tell you it really has changed my priorities in detector choice. I have to make my time count which means I need to cherry pick and do a very good job. Last night it got to 74 degrees so I couldn't pass up a quick hunt. In my 15 minute hunt I dug 1 1943 silver war nickle and a rusted nail. It is features that make good cherry picking possible. I have had the best results from high end machines.

Sorry to hear about your health,I have family with that issue, not good.Congrats on the war nickel
 
Well I went ahead and ordered a Racer 2 anyway.When it does arrive I will do a side by side comparison of the two and post my results.
 
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