ANNOUNCING THE NEW RACER 2!

[Monte]

the 2-Tone and 3-Tone modes.

On the Red Racer the two tone mode was deeper then 3 tone.

Yes, I know they stated that in the manual and my Racer, and two I acquired later in trades for friends, were the same. On the Racer 2 there is a noticeable difference at default, and even at a Gain setting of '85' in each mode.

But I read on another forum where there was a change made to 3 tone mode.you will start seeing minimal increases in depth (Gain 70 -90) and once you hit the maximum gain levels (90-99) the depth will start getting very close to the 2-tone levels at the same gain settings (90-99) without sacrificing stability.

When I run the Racer 2 to '95' in each mode, the 3-Tone was almost on par with the 2-Tone mode.

Note that in some conditions of bad ground and such, the Racer 2's 2-Tone mode might show slightly less depth than the Racer. In my side-by-side comparisons of a Racer and Racer 2, it was often insignificant. Out hunting with them, the Racer 2 worked great. More stability and the Target ID numbers seemed to be a bit tighter on weaker targets. It didn't matter about depth anyway, because if I felt I needed a little extra, I just hit the right arrow button to the DEEP mode.

The DEEP mode, at a Gain of '70,' if I recall, was responding at or a little more than the 2-Tone or 3-Tone modes at '95' in some 'air tests' using a US Buffalo Nickel.

Will this be also the same on the Racer 2?

The Racer 2 is different. A new Mode, more adjustment Features, and a Different Iron/Non-Iron break-point. The new 'S' curved rod, like that on my Gold Racer, is very comfortable. I don't have the new 7X11 DD coil yet, but it will fit nicer, balance better and is similar to the Nokta original FORS CoRe standard coil, by appearance.

One thing of note. I have quite a few friends, here in Oregon and in a few other states, who own, use and enjoy their original Racer. There's nothing wrong with it and the performance. I asked, and it was answered, because I felt it important to know, but the Racer 2 is NOT a replacement for the Racer. The standard Racer will remain in the line.

The Gold Racer is a specialized model at a LF range for certain applications and users, and the new Racer 2 is at the same VLF frequency as the Racer, it just has more adjustment features, different limited adjustment iron range [size=small]('00' to '10')[/size] and non-ferrous range [size=small]('11' - '99')[/size] to spread the TID/Filter numbers around for more separation of non-ferrous targets.

The Racer 2 is an ADDITION to the Makro Racer line of detectors, so there's no need to think the Racer is just replaced. It is still a very good detector and has proven its abilities for a year now for me. The Racer 2 is useable for nugget hunting, if desired, but not optimal for it. It is still a very versatile Relic Hunting detector, and that's what I do most of the time. And, with the new additions in features, it is also going to appeal to a lot of dedicated urban Coin Hunters.

More features, a little different performance, and plenty to learn, but simple and easily handled.

Monte

 

[Monte]

A very nice complement to your current original Racer and two Nokta FORS CoRe's. If you have time this weekend, come on over and take a look at the Racer 2. They are installing a wood stove as I type this and even this evening I can put in some logs and get a warm fire to keep it comfortable while we talk detectors and detecting. Spring is coming, or so rumor has it.

Monte

 

[amberjack]

and a comment wish the gold racer had adjustable tones , but don't change it I just bought one

Audio Tone
This feature is not included in the settings on screen on the Gold Racer. It is the setting which allows you to change the target warning tone and the threshold sound according to your preference. There are 2 audio frequencies available - low tone (LF) and high tone (HF). To change the audio tone, keeping the trigger pulled back, press the down button.

sorry probably didn't explain myself as best I could, and yes I do like the LF and HF on the threshold tone very well done and thank you !! I was talking about the tone in discrimination mode between the iron say 40 and under and the other tone for wanted metals could have been higher or adjustable, they seem a bit close together, but like I said I have limited testing on mine and I am sure my ears with come around in time.

yes Monte I agree and its why I bought this machine it has all the features of the big names and 2 disc modes which I really like for going over parks I have cleaned out with other machines to listen for that soft sound of gold chains or a masked ring, so yes I would have changed a couple of things but they were not deal breakers and really hoping to take it nugget hunting soon weather still a bit warm here for me.

but liking the racer 2 has tools I can use I like having tools I might not use them every day but when I go looking in my tool box its nice to know I have them when I need them. so well done Makro & Nokta I like the machines and most of all I like how you are pushing the so called big boys out of lethargy, and working hard to make better metal detectors for us, and most of all understanding that any consumer likes to be heard and what they think about what can be changed or made better matters to the company they are dealing with, might be hard but don't ever lose that its what builds great company's and loyal customers is solid understanding service.

few of the big boys have lost sight on who got them where they are today.

thanks

AJ

 

[bugg]

Im wondering if it ID's aluminum trash better? Alot of junk got lumped into #82 on the ID meter.
I do love my original racer.

 

[amberjack]

I am interested to the answer of that question too.

AJ

 

[HaroldILL.]

I take it you can't update the original Racer to a Racer 2? That kinda' sucks.

 

[petew]

The iron audio should clean up a lot of noise,and make good signals cleaner,being able to run little to no disc and still silent the iron.Sounds like a winner with that feature.

 

[Southwind]

it has all the features of the big names

How many target segments?
How many tones?
How many custom programs can it save?

 

[amberjack]

99 segment's from what I understand and each can be disc ed out.

2 tone or 3 tone.

AJ

 

[Cal_Cobra]

What exactly is deep mode?

Deep mode is a 2-tone mode designed for relic hunting. It is the deepest mode of the device.

Wish it were also available in 3-tone (like Boost mode on the F75)....just never clicked with 2-tone mode, but still....deeper is deeper.

 

[Monte]

with a lot of audio and visual performance.

Im wondering if it ID's aluminum trash better? Alot of junk got lumped into #82 on the ID meter. I do love my original racer.

With the Iron Discriminate point lowered to '10' and non-ferrous target range running from '11' on up [size=small](compared with '40' on up with the original Racer)[/size], the result is a very functional Non-Ferrous TID range, so Yes, you will have a better numeric ID description of where some targets might register.

Monte

 

[Monte]

'Depth,' I am referring to, because the best way to determine any 'depth' capability, especially when comparing two models, is to do actual on-the-spot, side-by-side comparisons using the same or very similar search coils and settings. Sweep speeds and approach directions are also very critical. Let's not forget the challenge of trying to compare 'depth potential' between an 'air teat' and a 'set-it-on-the-ground' test and the real world encounter, of a naturally lost and unknown position or orientation to the coil situation.

A bigger challenge is to try and convey your personal opinions to someone who is not present to witness or even try the same 'depth' comparison. The only time it is really valid is if there is a very significant difference, and that's often due to very different search coil sizes or coil types, and especially when two detectors are quite different in their build quality and design capabilities.

Monte, what where your thought on depth vs. the original Racer?

With similar search coils I will just say very close, often the differences were insignificant in real world hunting comparisons. I tried to find ways to tell myself the Racer 2 was far superior to the Racer, but with the same operating frequency and the same control settings, they are just close. At times I could discern a little difference, if I listened closely, in the 3-Tone mode, but I most often hunt trashier places and pick 2-Tone mode. You could flip a coin, more or less, depending upon the time of day, angle of the sun, or amount of time until lunch or dinner.

Those were in the 'average' hunting environments I worked in average trash level urban park and playground comparisons, and especially around some old barns and a homestead setting with old, iron type trash. Now, when I compared performance in a much cleaner environment, with very little trash, ferrous or non-ferrous, and didn't have to deal with target masking from a shallower or too closely positioned other metal target, I had the Racer 2's Deep mode to select ... and there you really can see a difference in 'depth' performance comparison.

Besides, in my opinion and from decades of experience, in most locations the typical targets we are after ... Coins ... are not going to be very deep anyway. Unless there has been some deposition such as a build-up of fallen leaves or mowed grass, or erosion deposits, or there has been fill material brought in to landscape a site, coins are usually not going to be very deep. Most coins, in natural condition dirt environments w/o build-up, are going to be located in the upper range from surface to about 4". Some slightly deeper coins will be at 4" to 5" plus a little. When a coin is found at 6" to 7" or 8", from my experiences afield, those qualify to be called a 'deep' coin find.

In many littered sites, it is sometimes difficult to find them at 2" or 3" due to target masking. That is why I like every make and model detector in my personal arsenal today because they all provide 'adequate,' and 'functional' depth of detection, but they also show some of the best abilities in the industry when it comes to unmasking good targets in a very iron littered environment.

The Racer and Racer 2, as most will learn, are already proven and will soon be proven, and there are added benefits to the Racer 2. For those who might need it, the DEEP mode gives a depth edge. Also, the Racer 2 is a little more stable with TID read-out, when there isn't a nearby offending target to mix in. The Notch Filter and Tone Break and Iron Audio Volume adjustment and Audio Tone assignment options the Racer 2 includes might actually help some people experience a better 'feel' for depth, in some cases, by controlling the nuisance targets at a site.

Monte

 

[Southwind]

99 segment's from what I understand and each can be disc ed out.

Nice! How many are ferrous and how many are usable conductive?

I've never understood why some put so many segments in the iron range. Seems a waste. Of course unless you relic hunt then I can see wanting to see a varying ferrous number. Or I guess those who hunt in countries that make ferrous coins.

I'm a full-tones type guys myself. The more the merrier LOL.

No saving custom programs and more AT Pro type options, in my opinion, still kind of keeps it in the mid range class. I just hope they don't try and price it as a high end class detector.

 

[petew]

99 segment's from what I understand and each can be disc ed out.

Nice! How many are ferrous and how many are usable conductive?

I've never understood why some put so many segments in the iron range. Seems a waste. Of course unless you relic hunt then I can see wanting to see a varying ferrous number. Or I guess those who hunt in countries that make ferrous coins.

I'm a full-tones type guys myself. The more the merrier LOL.

No saving custom programs and more AT Pro type options, in my opinion, still kind of keeps it in the mid range class. I just hope they don't try and price it as a high end class detector.

Boy your really stuck on classifying this machine as a mid level ,I guess that's your educated guess.As for saving programs,it has that ability,it's in this thread if you'd have read it.I wouldn't compare this machine to the at pro,it s not even in the same class as far as features.In my educated guess,I would say it actually seems better than higher priced machines,I say priced and not end because price don't alway mean higher end by performance.
I was actually considering buying a etrac until I saw this machine,and I went and ordered one.i don't need 1000 segments of id that 900 don't mean anything to me.Evrything is not for everyone,that's why you don't see me posting on the etrac or explorer forum,those machines aren't productive for the sites I hunt.Racers,at pros,fishers,get the job done in iron for me,at a normal price.

 

[Southwind]

Boy your really stuck on classifying this machine as a mid level ,I guess that's your educated guess.

Um... no! I've owned all the high end detectors and a majority of the mid level. I know one when I see one by the specs. Are you able to save custom programs like the majority of the high end machines? Does it have near the number of target segments of the majority of high end machines? Does it have the number of tones like the majority of high end machines? Then let's call it what it is and not try to trick the new less informed users in to thinking they're getting something they are not.

What I see is a nice, very nice, mid level detector that anyone should be happy to own. I don't see a high end machine. Sorry, just saying what I see. And if they price it in the high end range they will be disappointed in the sales I'm pretty sure.

 

[petew]

Boy your really stuck on classifying this machine as a mid level ,I guess that's your educated guess.

Um... no! I've owned all the high end detectors and a majority of the mid level. I know one when I see one by the specs. Are you able to save custom programs like the majority of the high end machines? Does it have near the number of target segments of the majority of high end machines? Does it have the number of tones like the majority of high end machines? Then let's call it what it is and not try to trick the new less informed users in to thinking they're getting something they are not.

What I see is a nice, very nice, mid level detector that anyone should be happy to own. I don't see a high end machine. Sorry, just saying what I see. And if they price it in the high end range they will be disappointed in the sales I'm pretty sure.

Not to get into a spitting match,but that's your opinion of what a high end machine is,not everyone's.That's just your educated guess and personal opinions of what a high end machine is.

I'm not on the thousands of useless numbers,or tones,to me that's just noise and clutter.But then again it's just my opinion, like yours.

Id say if you don't have anything positive to bring to the thread,other than trying to category a new machine we know nothing about, you'd be better off on the threads of the machines you prefer.

 

[Southwind]

What I bring to threads like this is truth! Don't like it? Sorry but I got screwed once by people that enjoy hyping up a detector and misleading people that are looking to buy/upgrade. Yes it is just my opinion, like yours, and both sides of the opinion are important.

Like I said I think it looks like a fine mid level detector, just not in the same class as the CTX or Deus in my opinion and you shouldn't insinuate it is. The proof is in the specs you know, for those who look at them and compare.

To you the ability to save custom programs may be useless, that's why they make mid level machines, but to me it separates the Cadillac's from the Impalas.

 

[petew]

What I bring to threads like this is truth! Don't like it? Sorry but I got screwed once by people that enjoy hyping up a detector and misleading people that are looking to buy/upgrade. Yes it is just my opinion, like yours, and both side of the opinion are important.

Like I said I think it looks like a fine mid level detector, just not in the same class as the CTX or Deus in my opinion and you shouldn't insinuate it is. The proof is in the specs you know for those who look at them and compare.

Your opinion, that's fine.If either of our opinions mattered makro would have sent us a new racer2,and like Monte we would have given a hands on educated opinion.

Your a minelab fan,and I like minelab. Just not the best for what I do or prefer.I've actually paid for and ordered a racer2 from showmetreasure, and when it arrives I'll give you a hands on,educated opinion of in field use.Until then I can only go by what the racer 2 hands on experienced users say.

 

[GroundScanner]

Price for standard model is $749. And pro pack is $949. But of course dealers give a better deal. Sorry I asked the price on this tread , maybe I didn't get a response because well , not sure but these are the prices. GS

 

[Southwind]

I welcome yours and Mote's "hands on" opinion. I speak from experience myself. I owned 3 Racers all which your "opinion" seemed to be completely different than my personal experience. No offence, but I prefer to find out for myself thanks. By the way, those same two "experienced" posters said the same about the Racer. Again, a fine machine but my experience was nothing like the hype I read posted. Now that is just my experience, your may vary and I realize that. Do you? Personally from what I've read I'd put it in with the new MX Sport. A great machine but not what I would call a high end.

Sorry, don't mean to highjack this thread. I will let it go.