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Foiled said:Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
sweeper60 said:Foiled said:Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
So no one here has ever made a mistake then.
Woodstock said:I'd like a bit of clarification on the part of your post and what you met by it , you said .
Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market But ""Where Angels fear to tread and all that"" It will never replace the MXT PERIOD, Due to the "Get On With the Job" design of the MXT and the Industrial Build Quality, Not to mention The MXT's Legacy and Proven reliability,
What confusion are you referring too ?
MX5 Specs;Factory Included Accessories
9" Waterproof Spider Search Coil
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 9"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Fixed
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 50
Assembled Length Min (in) 45
Apps None
GPS No
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id Yes
Target Id Segments 190
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No
Search Modes 4
Search Mode Types All Metal, Beach, Coins, Pinpoint
Search Flashlight No
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control Yes
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 15 to 20 Hours
Rechargeable System No
Exclusive Features Beach-Mode, Backlight, Auto-Trac Ground Balance
Retail ... $599
Sure there are differences by comparison but not that many , in fact the MX5 adds some the MTX doesn't . The biggest being the standard coil difference and the $300 gap between the two . Whites states that the MX5 shares it's platform with both the MTX and the MXSport X... are they liars ? Are they false advertising ? No on both accounts .
Maybe because I own a MX5 I'm bias but I'm tired of the bashing it receives from other loyal Whites users basically cause looks like the GT or the 6T and it's a way ahead of those ... it's a beast and a great detector .
So when you said;
" Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market "... the MX5 is based on the MXT market as a digital version .
That being said " what are you trying to say? " Just Curious ... Happy Trails , Woodstock
basstrackerman said:look these detectors have huge problems.. maybe not 9 out of 10 but horrible none the less. the one i owned for 30 minutes had more problems then it had thing working.. should have never left factory.. no where close to being ready to be released.. i personally do not like being a tester of a detector i paid for...
sweeper60 said:Woodstock said:I'd like a bit of clarification on the part of your post and what you met by it , you said .
Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market But ""Where Angels fear to tread and all that"" It will never replace the MXT PERIOD, Due to the "Get On With the Job" design of the MXT and the Industrial Build Quality, Not to mention The MXT's Legacy and Proven reliability,
What confusion are you referring too ?
MX5 Specs;Factory Included Accessories
9" Waterproof Spider Search Coil
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 9"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Fixed
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 50
Assembled Length Min (in) 45
Apps None
GPS No
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id Yes
Target Id Segments 190
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No
Search Modes 4
Search Mode Types All Metal, Beach, Coins, Pinpoint
Search Flashlight No
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control Yes
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 15 to 20 Hours
Rechargeable System No
Exclusive Features Beach-Mode, Backlight, Auto-Trac Ground Balance
Retail ... $599
Sure there are differences by comparison but not that many , in fact the MX5 adds some the MTX doesn't . The biggest being the standard coil difference and the $300 gap between the two . Whites states that the MX5 shares it's platform with both the MTX and the MXSport X... are they liars ? Are they false advertising ? No on both accounts .
Maybe because I own a MX5 I'm bias but I'm tired of the bashing it receives from other loyal Whites users basically cause looks like the GT or the 6T and it's a way ahead of those ... it's a beast and a great detector .
So when you said;
" Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market "... the MX5 is based on the MXT market as a digital version .
That being said " what are you trying to say? " Just Curious ... Happy Trails , Woodstock
The MX-5 is a Toy in Comparison to the MXT, As Reflected in the price difference, Does the MX 5 find metal ? yes So will a Magnet.
MXT Specs;
Factory Included Accessories
10" Double D Search Coil
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 10"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Adjustable
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 53
Assembled Length Min (in) 46
Apps None Why on Earth would a detector need Apps, I am out there to find Metal Not PokEmon's
GPS No ...I Own 2 digital compass's and a Watch with one Built in 2 GPS systems, A Satnav, 2 Smart phones with Built in GPS and a Tablet PC with Satnav, GPS and Google Earth installed, In these modern times why on earth would I want yet another GPS,
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id No......Why would I want programmable Target ID, The Idea of a Detector is for it to tell me what an Item Is
Target Id Segments 189 ....NOPE 191
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No Why would I want it to Vibrate, They already make things that do that,
Search Modes 3...NO, It has 3 primary modes with 7 sub modes and then switch to SALT mode and then you get another 7 sub modes, Then add to that the Pin Point mode and also the Pin Point LOCK VCO NON Motion Mode Gives you a Total of 16 Modes
Search Mode Types Coin / Jewelry, Prospecting, Relics
Search Flashlight No,.. A Flashlight is one of the worse things to have on a Detector because you eyes will become fixed on the Light which means a person will walk in to overhead branches and Rocks and other things and the user will become disorientated and un aware of their surroundings, Also destroying their Night Vision for up to 30 minutes after it has been turned off. The whole Idea puts a person at risk in uneven dangerous ground not to mention wild Animals.
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control No The MXT's Volume is already set at maximum Volume and the people that want a volume control Need to buy A Quality set of Headphones such as Grey Ghosts or Nugget Busters, No Serious detectorist would use anything else, Fitting the MXT with a Volume control would not make it any louder.
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No.. Why does it need Blue Tooth, I don't want to hook a printer up to it or use it to search the Net, People who ask for that stuff should find another hobby where they don't have to stray too far from their computer,
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 30 to 40 Hours,, Those figures are from figures Quoted from 16 years ago and the Figures Where not Right even back then, The correct Battery times are 57 to 66/70 hours
Rechargeable System No... Whites Make 3 Rechargeable Systems Available that fit the MXT, But to warrant using one of them a person needs to de detecting about 150 to 200 hours per month to justify using them.. Rechargeable systems are a bit like Coils, You buy what you need to Tailor your machine to suit Your Needs.
Exclusive Features No YES it has The Dedicated Prospecting Mode made famous in the GMT and it also Has Iron Grunt ID and Iron probability meter and the Ground Phase Meter along with the Fastest Ground Tracking Mode Built to Date, Along with Being the Only Machine that Has a 100% Variable S.A.T. Speed (Self Adjusting Threshold) and MANY of these features have been and are being copied by other companies at this very moment,
Retail ... $899 .. And Worth Every Cent
After 16 years People still do not have a clue about the MXT or what it can do, 99,99% of Owners Still have never tested it to Extreme to find out what is possible and will never know just what it can do, They just swing and Beep and dig,
Most folks get bored or go and buy the next latest thing in their Quest to find the all seeing eye, Or go and buy another machine because their mate has One, As For Depth the VLF Technology reached it's peak in the 1980s and the machines we have now are not as Deep, Just Ask Anyone who Owns One of the Whites 6000s or 5900s, Those Older machine will do what these Blue Tooth WiFi GPS Toys will when maxed out when they are in Low Gear, and even though they weigh more you can swing them for hours because they have perfect Balance, Unlike my Etrac and Sov GT.
Another thing To, Those old 5900s are about the only VLF that can handle the worst Ground Conditions, Which is something that these plastic Toys can not Do,
Being able to Block edit is a joke because they knock out items in a certain Range and a lot of wanted Items can and Do fall within that Range and the same with push button Gain, Disc ,and SAT Speeds, Where as the MXT is 100% Variable just like the Machines of the 80s and 90s, IE with your pull tab Notch you knock out pull Tabs ,But if I use that I loose 2000 year old Coins and some dating back 3500 years, One such coin found where I hunt was found Valued at over $300,000 USD.. So where the risk of loosing such items by using such things pre set disc mode or blocks that is not a risk I am prepared to take, Remember what I said the detector telling me what is in the ground, Well this is why,
What looks good on paper is all very impressive, But in the real world they offer very little, A machine that has 20 boxes to knock out might seem good or even better a machine that has 40 or 50 boxes that Items fall in to, Where as I have a 191 = 100% Variable which is 4 to 5 times and even 10 times the amount as those I listed above, Take 10 Gold Rings or even 30 Rings and they will all give you a different VDI reading, One 18ct Gold ring I found had 5 Diamonds in it with a Platinum Cap and it gave a VDI between 0 - 4, Now if I had a machine that has disc boxes or Bins then I would never of found it because those boxes are too broad as in what falls in to those boxes.
People need to realize exactly what they are buying when they buy a new push pad type machine, Because even the most deepest Expensive machine is useless if it is blanking on a $300K Item. and using The All Metal mode is useless in such Iron infested Sites, There is a Good Reason why machines like the MXT, GMT Nexus SE and the Gold Bug II exist and that is because where High Value Items are the Primary Goal then Fine Tuning Is an Absolute Must, But there is a certain amount of luck involved Too, But that is not something I am prepared to gamble with..
HH
Woodstock said:Well sweeper60 ... your total answer wasn't was what I expected and far less in answering my question that I asked . You provided information I and everyone else new and just stepped around what I said . next time check the spec sheet ...
Woodstock said:Well sweeper60 , If your a Prospector and your MTX is made for those like yourself for Prospecting it's your machine . I'm not a Prospector and I enjoy the other aspects of the hobby and for that the MX5 fits me . And because I have no plans to Prospect where I live so there is no way I'll buy a MTX ... and what was met by "when you grow into the hobby you will see them for yourself?" For your information I've been hitting the dirt since 1981 or 1982 and have had way to many detectors from middle weights to the best so don't hold your breath cause I might move on to another machine sometime soon but I doubt it'll be a MTX ... I'm not knocking them ... but I'm not into Prospecting ... and spec's and build sheets mean tons to me . I've learned the MX5 and it does a superior job for me and others too . Best Regards , Woodstock
JJdigs said:I just picked up a mx5 and put a 8x6 sef coil on it and holy cow is the separation insane or what ! And that little coil hits a 9" quarter in my test garden better then most detectors I tried this year ! I was also impressed how tiny some of the objects it hit, it's sparky for sure I love it ! I bet once they tune in that MX sport that machine will Rock !