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Would You Buy an MX Sport today??

sweeper60 said:
Foiled said:
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

So no one here has ever made a mistake then.



Never said that. I don't care to pay for others mistakes… twice. I didn't like the way it was handled, when I called they made me think it was me i was was the one with the problem, not the detector. I spoke with an engineer who beat around the bush instead of acknowledging the problem. When I was done telling of the problem he told me to hang up and call someone else, Mary? I can't remember, seems weird to hang up on a customer and tell them to call another number, ever hear of transferring a call? I don't think I was treated well after belong polite and listening to troubleshooting tips over the phone for ten minutes. I did have to pay shipping $40 or something to send it back, not only that, I drove 160 miles round trip to go detecting and it didn't work. So yes, I won't pay twice for someone else's mistakes. We were led to believe that the update fixed everything, nope. Once was enough. I got a refund but it cost me. Buy what you want, it worked well when it worked for a couple hours. I couldn't get past the volume shutting itself off and on, the creaking handle and shaft flexing and creaking, didn't feel well made. Not here to bash Whites, just telling my story, Just me though, your mileage may vary. Over and out.
 
I'd like a bit of clarification on the part of your post and what you met by it , you said .

Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market But ""Where Angels fear to tread and all that"" It will never replace the MXT PERIOD, Due to the "Get On With the Job" design of the MXT and the Industrial Build Quality, Not to mention The MXT's Legacy and Proven reliability,

What confusion are you referring too ?

MX5 Specs;Factory Included Accessories
9" Waterproof Spider Search Coil
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 9"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Fixed
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 50
Assembled Length Min (in) 45
Apps None
GPS No
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id Yes
Target Id Segments 190
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No
Search Modes 4
Search Mode Types All Metal, Beach, Coins, Pinpoint
Search Flashlight No
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control Yes
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 15 to 20 Hours
Rechargeable System No
Exclusive Features Beach-Mode, Backlight, Auto-Trac Ground Balance
Retail ... $599

MXT Specs;
Factory Included Accessories
10" Double D Search Coil‌
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 10"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Adjustable
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 53
Assembled Length Min (in) 46
Apps None
GPS No
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id No
Target Id Segments 189
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No
Search Modes 3
Search Mode Types Coin / Jewelry, Prospecting, Relics
Search Flashlight No
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control No
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 30 to 40 Hours
Rechargeable System No
Exclusive Features No
Retail ... $899

Sure there are differences by comparison but not that many , in fact the MX5 adds some the MTX doesn't . The biggest being the standard coil difference and the $300 gap between the two . Whites states that the MX5 shares it's platform with both the MTX and the MXSport X... are they liars ? Are they false advertising ? No on both accounts .
Maybe because I own a MX5 I'm bias but I'm tired of the bashing it receives from other loyal Whites users basically cause looks like the GT or the 6T and it's a way ahead of those ... it's a beast and a great detector .
So when you said;
" Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market "... the MX5 is based on the MXT market as a digital version .
That being said " what are you trying to say? " Just Curious ... Happy Trails , Woodstock
 
Woodstock said:
I'd like a bit of clarification on the part of your post and what you met by it , you said .

Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market But ""Where Angels fear to tread and all that"" It will never replace the MXT PERIOD, Due to the "Get On With the Job" design of the MXT and the Industrial Build Quality, Not to mention The MXT's Legacy and Proven reliability,

What confusion are you referring too ?

MX5 Specs;Factory Included Accessories
9" Waterproof Spider Search Coil
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 9"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Fixed
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 50
Assembled Length Min (in) 45
Apps None
GPS No
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id Yes
Target Id Segments 190
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No
Search Modes 4
Search Mode Types All Metal, Beach, Coins, Pinpoint
Search Flashlight No
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control Yes
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 15 to 20 Hours
Rechargeable System No
Exclusive Features Beach-Mode, Backlight, Auto-Trac Ground Balance
Retail ... $599

Sure there are differences by comparison but not that many , in fact the MX5 adds some the MTX doesn't . The biggest being the standard coil difference and the $300 gap between the two . Whites states that the MX5 shares it's platform with both the MTX and the MXSport X... are they liars ? Are they false advertising ? No on both accounts .
Maybe because I own a MX5 I'm bias but I'm tired of the bashing it receives from other loyal Whites users basically cause looks like the GT or the 6T and it's a way ahead of those ... it's a beast and a great detector .
So when you said;
" Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market "... the MX5 is based on the MXT market as a digital version .
That being said " what are you trying to say? " Just Curious ... Happy Trails , Woodstock

The MX-5 is a Toy in Comparison to the MXT, As Reflected in the price difference, Does the MX 5 find metal ? yes So will a Magnet.

MXT Specs;
Factory Included Accessories
10" Double D Search Coil‌
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 10"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Adjustable
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 53
Assembled Length Min (in) 46
Apps None Why on Earth would a detector need Apps, I am out there to find Metal Not PokEmon's

GPS No ...I Own 2 digital compass's and a Watch with one Built in 2 GPS systems, A Satnav, 2 Smart phones with Built in GPS and a Tablet PC with Satnav, GPS and Google Earth installed, In these modern times why on earth would I want yet another GPS,

Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id No......Why would I want programmable Target ID, The Idea of a Detector is for it to tell me what an Item Is


Target Id Segments 189 ....NOPE 191

Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking

Vibration Mode No Why would I want it to Vibrate, They already make things that do that,

Search Modes 3...NO, It has 3 primary modes with 7 sub modes and then switch to SALT mode and then you get another 7 sub modes, Then add to that the Pin Point mode and also the Pin Point LOCK VCO NON Motion Mode Gives you a Total of 16 Modes

Search Mode Types Coin / Jewelry, Prospecting, Relics

Search Flashlight No,.. A Flashlight is one of the worse things to have on a Detector because you eyes will become fixed on the Light which means a person will walk in to overhead branches and Rocks and other things and the user will become disorientated and un aware of their surroundings, Also destroying their Night Vision for up to 30 minutes after it has been turned off. The whole Idea puts a person at risk in uneven dangerous ground not to mention wild Animals.

Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes

Volume Control No The MXT's Volume is already set at maximum Volume and the people that want a volume control Need to buy A Quality set of Headphones such as Grey Ghosts or Nugget Busters, No Serious detectorist would use anything else, Fitting the MXT with a Volume control would not make it any louder.

Headphone Jack 1/4"

Bluetooth Compatible No.. Why does it need Blue Tooth, I don't want to hook a printer up to it or use it to search the Net, People who ask for that stuff should find another hobby where they don't have to stray too far from their computer,

Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 30 to 40 Hours,, Those figures are from figures Quoted from 16 years ago and the Figures Where not Right even back then, The correct Battery times are 57 to 66/70 hours

Rechargeable System No... Whites Make 3 Rechargeable Systems Available that fit the MXT, But to warrant using one of them a person needs to de detecting about 150 to 200 hours per month to justify using them.. Rechargeable systems are a bit like Coils, You buy what you need to Tailor your machine to suit Your Needs.

Exclusive Features No YES it has The Dedicated Prospecting Mode made famous in the GMT and it also Has Iron Grunt ID and Iron probability meter and the Ground Phase Meter along with the Fastest Ground Tracking Mode Built to Date, Along with Being the Only Machine that Has a 100% Variable S.A.T. Speed (Self Adjusting Threshold) and MANY of these features have been and are being copied by other companies at this very moment,

Retail ... $899 .. And Worth Every Cent

After 16 years People still do not have a clue about the MXT or what it can do, 99,99% of Owners Still have never tested it to Extreme to find out what is possible and will never know just what it can do, They just swing and Beep and dig,

Most folks get bored or go and buy the next latest thing in their Quest to find the all seeing eye, Or go and buy another machine because their mate has One, As For Depth the VLF Technology reached it's peak in the 1980s and the machines we have now are not as Deep, Just Ask Anyone who Owns One of the Whites 6000s or 5900s, Those Older machine will do what these Blue Tooth WiFi GPS Toys will when maxed out when they are in Low Gear, and even though they weigh more you can swing them for hours because they have perfect Balance, Unlike my Etrac and Sov GT.

Another thing To, Those old 5900s are about the only VLF that can handle the worst Ground Conditions, Which is something that these plastic Toys can not Do,

Being able to Block edit is a joke because they knock out items in a certain Range and a lot of wanted Items can and Do fall within that Range and the same with push button Gain, Disc ,and SAT Speeds, Where as the MXT is 100% Variable just like the Machines of the 80s and 90s, IE with your pull tab Notch you knock out pull Tabs ,But if I use that I loose 2000 year old Coins and some dating back 3500 years, One such coin found where I hunt was found Valued at over $300,000 USD.. So where the risk of loosing such items by using such things pre set disc mode or blocks that is not a risk I am prepared to take, Remember what I said the detector telling me what is in the ground, Well this is why,

What looks good on paper is all very impressive, But in the real world they offer very little, A machine that has 20 boxes to knock out might seem good or even better a machine that has 40 or 50 boxes that Items fall in to, Where as I have a 191 = 100% Variable which is 4 to 5 times and even 10 times the amount as those I listed above, Take 10 Gold Rings or even 30 Rings and they will all give you a different VDI reading, One 18ct Gold ring I found had 5 Diamonds in it with a Platinum Cap and it gave a VDI between 0 - 4, Now if I had a machine that has disc boxes or Bins then I would never of found it because those boxes are too broad as in what falls in to those boxes.

People need to realize exactly what they are buying when they buy a new push pad type machine, Because even the most deepest Expensive machine is useless if it is blanking on a $300K Item. and using The All Metal mode is useless in such Iron infested Sites, There is a Good Reason why machines like the MXT, GMT Nexus SE and the Gold Bug II exist and that is because where High Value Items are the Primary Goal then Fine Tuning Is an Absolute Must, But there is a certain amount of luck involved Too, But that is not something I am prepared to gamble with..

HH
 
look these detectors have huge problems.. maybe not 9 out of 10 but horrible none the less. the one i owned for 30 minutes had more problems then it had thing working.. should have never left factory.. no where close to being ready to be released.. i personally do not like being a tester of a detector i paid for...
 
basstrackerman said:
look these detectors have huge problems.. maybe not 9 out of 10 but horrible none the less. the one i owned for 30 minutes had more problems then it had thing working.. should have never left factory.. no where close to being ready to be released.. i personally do not like being a tester of a detector i paid for...

I agree with you, But to be honest Whites has made some major changes to make sure this never happens again, I know for a fact that your views and everyone else's have been taken on board, So Whites are listening and putting it all to good use, HH.

J
 
My Dad and I were early adopters of the MX Sport. We have both been in the hobby about 20 years. That being said, my Dad has shipped his back twice with hardware problems, and my first was an out of box failure. My second does not seem to be any better. I took it out to test it the other day and cordoned off an area. Ran the MX Sport over it and found nothing. Took my M6 over the same area and found 8 targets. Three if which were quarters. I have used and owned maybe twenty different machines, and I do fairly well with my MXT All Pro, M6 and V3i that I now own. I'm just saying I can't chalk that kind of failure to a rookie mistake. That plus I feel that the tones are some what wonky, not anywhere near as good as their other machines. There isn't enough difference between different targets in four and eight tones. Not like the M6 and the MXT. I think Whites is a great company, but as of right now I would not buy another MX Sport. I am waiting for them to iron out all of the bugs and then I'll send it in for a refit. We'll see if my opinion changes. In the meantime I will be hunting with my machines that I trust and know they work.

All of that being said White's has taken care of us in an excellent manner. Their customer service is the best in the business in my opinion. A few other companies should take note......
 
I would have to say, that I personally would not own a MX Sport because of the issues its had, even if they fix it I feel that its reputation is permanently ruined and that is going to hurt resale value, it may be a great machine but thats my 2 cents, whites is a great company I have no doubt in my mind that they will work out a fix.
 
Well sweeper60 ... your total answer wasn't was what I expected and far less in answering my question that I asked . You provided information I and everyone else new and just stepped around what I said . I know well the reputation of your legendary MTX . And with that being the case the MX-5 is a Toy in Comparison to the MXT, As Reflected in the price difference,
So why bash every other Whites product as inferior ? You said ; Does the MX 5 find metal ? yes So will a Magnet.
My question you answered rudely like I was attacking you and I wasn't ... I know your MTX is better than the MX5 ... for you but not for everyone . I don't know who compared the MX5 to the MXSport and all three share some of the same software features ... I think the comparison was made due to the MX5 being water resistant as well ... and for the cost the MX5 has features that users like ... next time check the spec sheet ... cause you see cause I agree that some aren't needed by old school users so you didn't have to answer them like you did ... but the younger crowd seems to be fickle ... no need for Blue tooth , etc . But for everything else the MX5 fits me and many others damn good ... and the price is right too . Maybe if I could have afforded the extra $300 I would have got the MXT and maybe not ....
Sure magnets find metal ... duhhh . Next time compare the features on them both cause that what was I asked you to do ... not tell me what you think is not needed like you did . IMHO , Woodstock
sweeper60 said:
Woodstock said:
I'd like a bit of clarification on the part of your post and what you met by it , you said .

Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market But ""Where Angels fear to tread and all that"" It will never replace the MXT PERIOD, Due to the "Get On With the Job" design of the MXT and the Industrial Build Quality, Not to mention The MXT's Legacy and Proven reliability,

What confusion are you referring too ?

MX5 Specs;Factory Included Accessories
9" Waterproof Spider Search Coil
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 9"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Fixed
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 50
Assembled Length Min (in) 45
Apps None
GPS No
Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id Yes
Target Id Segments 190
Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking
Vibration Mode No
Search Modes 4
Search Mode Types All Metal, Beach, Coins, Pinpoint
Search Flashlight No
Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes
Volume Control Yes
Headphone Jack 1/4"
Bluetooth Compatible No
Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 15 to 20 Hours
Rechargeable System No
Exclusive Features Beach-Mode, Backlight, Auto-Trac Ground Balance
Retail ... $599

Sure there are differences by comparison but not that many , in fact the MX5 adds some the MTX doesn't . The biggest being the standard coil difference and the $300 gap between the two . Whites states that the MX5 shares it's platform with both the MTX and the MXSport X... are they liars ? Are they false advertising ? No on both accounts .
Maybe because I own a MX5 I'm bias but I'm tired of the bashing it receives from other loyal Whites users basically cause looks like the GT or the 6T and it's a way ahead of those ... it's a beast and a great detector .
So when you said;
" Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market "... the MX5 is based on the MXT market as a digital version .
That being said " what are you trying to say? " Just Curious ... Happy Trails , Woodstock

The MX-5 is a Toy in Comparison to the MXT, As Reflected in the price difference, Does the MX 5 find metal ? yes So will a Magnet.

MXT Specs;
Factory Included Accessories
10" Double D Search Coil‌
Warranty Yes
Detector Type All-Purpose
Search Coil Type Concentric
Search Coil Size (in) 10"
Search Coil Shape Round
Search Coil Build Open
Waterproof Search Coil Yes
Interchangeable Search Coil Yes
Technology VLF Single Frequency
Arm Rest Adjustable
Arm Rest Strap Yes
Adjustable Shaft Yes
Assembled Length Max (in) 53
Assembled Length Min (in) 46
Apps None Why on Earth would a detector need Apps, I am out there to find Metal Not PokEmon's

GPS No ...I Own 2 digital compass's and a Watch with one Built in 2 GPS systems, A Satnav, 2 Smart phones with Built in GPS and a Tablet PC with Satnav, GPS and Google Earth installed, In these modern times why on earth would I want yet another GPS,

Audio Tones Yes
Depth Indication Yes
Control Box Mount Standard
Frequencies 14 kHz
Number of Frequencies 1
Programmable Target Id No......Why would I want programmable Target ID, The Idea of a Detector is for it to tell me what an Item Is


Target Id Segments 189 ....NOPE 191

Target Id Yes
Threshold Adjustable
Discrimination Adjustable
Pinpoint Mode Yes
Ground Balance Automatic Ground Tracking

Vibration Mode No Why would I want it to Vibrate, They already make things that do that,

Search Modes 3...NO, It has 3 primary modes with 7 sub modes and then switch to SALT mode and then you get another 7 sub modes, Then add to that the Pin Point mode and also the Pin Point LOCK VCO NON Motion Mode Gives you a Total of 16 Modes

Search Mode Types Coin / Jewelry, Prospecting, Relics

Search Flashlight No,.. A Flashlight is one of the worse things to have on a Detector because you eyes will become fixed on the Light which means a person will walk in to overhead branches and Rocks and other things and the user will become disorientated and un aware of their surroundings, Also destroying their Night Vision for up to 30 minutes after it has been turned off. The whole Idea puts a person at risk in uneven dangerous ground not to mention wild Animals.

Display Type LCD
Backlit Display Yes

Volume Control No The MXT's Volume is already set at maximum Volume and the people that want a volume control Need to buy A Quality set of Headphones such as Grey Ghosts or Nugget Busters, No Serious detectorist would use anything else, Fitting the MXT with a Volume control would not make it any louder.

Headphone Jack 1/4"

Bluetooth Compatible No.. Why does it need Blue Tooth, I don't want to hook a printer up to it or use it to search the Net, People who ask for that stuff should find another hobby where they don't have to stray too far from their computer,

Interchangeable Headphones Yes
Battery Type AA
Battery Quantity 8
Battery Life (hr) 30 to 40 Hours,, Those figures are from figures Quoted from 16 years ago and the Figures Where not Right even back then, The correct Battery times are 57 to 66/70 hours

Rechargeable System No... Whites Make 3 Rechargeable Systems Available that fit the MXT, But to warrant using one of them a person needs to de detecting about 150 to 200 hours per month to justify using them.. Rechargeable systems are a bit like Coils, You buy what you need to Tailor your machine to suit Your Needs.

Exclusive Features No YES it has The Dedicated Prospecting Mode made famous in the GMT and it also Has Iron Grunt ID and Iron probability meter and the Ground Phase Meter along with the Fastest Ground Tracking Mode Built to Date, Along with Being the Only Machine that Has a 100% Variable S.A.T. Speed (Self Adjusting Threshold) and MANY of these features have been and are being copied by other companies at this very moment,

Retail ... $899 .. And Worth Every Cent

After 16 years People still do not have a clue about the MXT or what it can do, 99,99% of Owners Still have never tested it to Extreme to find out what is possible and will never know just what it can do, They just swing and Beep and dig,

Most folks get bored or go and buy the next latest thing in their Quest to find the all seeing eye, Or go and buy another machine because their mate has One, As For Depth the VLF Technology reached it's peak in the 1980s and the machines we have now are not as Deep, Just Ask Anyone who Owns One of the Whites 6000s or 5900s, Those Older machine will do what these Blue Tooth WiFi GPS Toys will when maxed out when they are in Low Gear, and even though they weigh more you can swing them for hours because they have perfect Balance, Unlike my Etrac and Sov GT.

Another thing To, Those old 5900s are about the only VLF that can handle the worst Ground Conditions, Which is something that these plastic Toys can not Do,

Being able to Block edit is a joke because they knock out items in a certain Range and a lot of wanted Items can and Do fall within that Range and the same with push button Gain, Disc ,and SAT Speeds, Where as the MXT is 100% Variable just like the Machines of the 80s and 90s, IE with your pull tab Notch you knock out pull Tabs ,But if I use that I loose 2000 year old Coins and some dating back 3500 years, One such coin found where I hunt was found Valued at over $300,000 USD.. So where the risk of loosing such items by using such things pre set disc mode or blocks that is not a risk I am prepared to take, Remember what I said the detector telling me what is in the ground, Well this is why,

What looks good on paper is all very impressive, But in the real world they offer very little, A machine that has 20 boxes to knock out might seem good or even better a machine that has 40 or 50 boxes that Items fall in to, Where as I have a 191 = 100% Variable which is 4 to 5 times and even 10 times the amount as those I listed above, Take 10 Gold Rings or even 30 Rings and they will all give you a different VDI reading, One 18ct Gold ring I found had 5 Diamonds in it with a Platinum Cap and it gave a VDI between 0 - 4, Now if I had a machine that has disc boxes or Bins then I would never of found it because those boxes are too broad as in what falls in to those boxes.

People need to realize exactly what they are buying when they buy a new push pad type machine, Because even the most deepest Expensive machine is useless if it is blanking on a $300K Item. and using The All Metal mode is useless in such Iron infested Sites, There is a Good Reason why machines like the MXT, GMT Nexus SE and the Gold Bug II exist and that is because where High Value Items are the Primary Goal then Fine Tuning Is an Absolute Must, But there is a certain amount of luck involved Too, But that is not something I am prepared to gamble with..

HH
 
Woodstock said:
Well sweeper60 ... your total answer wasn't was what I expected and far less in answering my question that I asked . You provided information I and everyone else new and just stepped around what I said . next time check the spec sheet ...


Look Mate, Spec Sheets are of little or no use what so ever out in the Field, Because once that machine leaves the workshop All Bets are Off, Because of Iron Soil, Conditions, EMI, Weather, And the Skill of the User, And At first Whites said that the mxs was going to replace the MX-5 and then in many posts it was claimed that it was built to rival the AT Pro and before that The XP Deus and Now the MXT, the thing is It cant Rival any Machine, at present,

Quote:- Sure there are differences by comparison but not that many , in fact the MX5 adds some the MTX doesn't . The biggest being the standard coil difference and the $300 gap between the two . Whites states that the MX5 shares it's platform with both the MTX and the MXSport X... are they liars ? Are they false advertising ? No on both accounts .
Maybe because I own a MX5 I'm bias but I'm tired of the bashing it receives from other loyal Whites users basically cause looks like the GT or the 6T and it's a way ahead of those ... it's a beast and a great detector .
So when you said;
" Adding to the confusion was when it was compared to the MX-5, When in all honesty I think the Factory Goals were more aimed at the MXT market "... the MX5 is based on the MXT market as a digital version .
That being said " what are you trying to say? " Just Curious ... Happy Trails , Woodstock END QUOTE.

The MXT was Built By Prospectors For Prospectors and til this day there is nothing better, It has been Copied and Still the results are the same, and it has found more Gold than any other Machine on the Market, Prospectors don't want bells and Whistles, They just want to find Gold, Your MX-5 is a fine Machine But if you want to use it for other things then you might find it's Limitations.

It does not matter if you pay $500 Dollars for a Detector or $5000 they all have their Limits and No One has ever made the Perfect Detector, But the MXT All Pro is about as Good as it Gets and So Is The Minelab GPX4500 and GPX5000, But Even those High Dollar machine have their Limits, They Hate Storms within 300 miles of them and they Hate EMI from Military Radio stations at certain times of the day and they Hate detecting on wet ground and they Hate Basalt Rocks, and they are terrible in Iron filled sites, But Take them out in good weather on the Gold Fields and they will change your life for ever.

The MX-5 and the mxs BOTH owe their platform to the MXT, And 100% digital machines have some very limiting features, Mainly the controls and how the Disc operates, As you grow in to this hobby you will see them for your self. Just because they share a platform does not mean they have the same Abilities Far from it. That is sales Hype, and they made other wild claims as well. But because I have been doing this for quite a while, I know the differences and in time you will too. That is why there is a price difference..
 
I own one and it is not going to be for sale. Should someone have an MX Sport that they are are not happy with I'll be glad to give them say 50 cents on the dollar to take it off their hands. Might even pay the shipping what the hey.
 
Well sweeper60 , If your a Prospector and your MTX is made for those like yourself for Prospecting it's your machine . I'm not a Prospector and I enjoy the other aspects of the hobby and for that the MX5 fits me . And because I have no plans to Prospect where I live so there is no way I'll buy a MTX ... and what was met by "when you grow into the hobby you will see them for yourself?" For your information I've been hitting the dirt since 1981 or 1982 and have had way to many detectors from middle weights to the best so don't hold your breath cause I might move on to another machine sometime soon but I doubt it'll be a MTX ... I'm not knocking them ... but I'm not into Prospecting ... and spec's and build sheets mean tons to me . I've learned the MX5 and it does a superior job for me and others too . Best Regards , Woodstock
 
Woodstock said:
Well sweeper60 , If your a Prospector and your MTX is made for those like yourself for Prospecting it's your machine . I'm not a Prospector and I enjoy the other aspects of the hobby and for that the MX5 fits me . And because I have no plans to Prospect where I live so there is no way I'll buy a MTX ... and what was met by "when you grow into the hobby you will see them for yourself?" For your information I've been hitting the dirt since 1981 or 1982 and have had way to many detectors from middle weights to the best so don't hold your breath cause I might move on to another machine sometime soon but I doubt it'll be a MTX ... I'm not knocking them ... but I'm not into Prospecting ... and spec's and build sheets mean tons to me . I've learned the MX5 and it does a superior job for me and others too . Best Regards , Woodstock

From your earlier post it read like you had only just got in to it,

The reasons spec sheets don't mean much is because ground conditions change locations change weather will change and EMI will change and all those things will have an impact on any machines,

Take the Sovereign GT it is a beautiful machine and it has frequencies ranging from 1.5khz up to 27.5, So one would assume that it would be hot on Natural Gold, WELL it is NOT infact it is blind as a Bat on small Gold weighing below 0.15 grams may be more and that is when the target is sitting on the Coil, Yet it is a fantastic Beach machine, And it is claimed that it has 17 frequencies, But it does not, It has One frequency with 17 Harmonic's of that frequency. yet it is claimed that it goes up to 27.5 KHz yet a 12khz machine is 10X more sensitive,

Spec Sheet are totally unrelated to real world environments,

It makes no difference to me if you don't buy an MXT, It just means there is more in the Ground left behind for Me, You don't just use the MXT for prospecting just ask the Civil War Relic Guys,

But none of this matters because All that matters is that you like the MX-5, We don't have to and what works for you might not work for Me and Vice Versa. But the MX-5 is going to be phased out by the End of the Year anyway.
 
I just picked up a mx5 and put a 8x6 sef coil on it and holy cow is the separation insane or what ! And that little coil hits a 9" quarter in my test garden better then most detectors I tried this year ! I was also impressed how tiny some of the objects it hit, it's sparky for sure I love it ! I bet once they tune in that MX sport that machine will Rock !
 
@ JJdigs,i dont own a MX-5 but i do use a SEF8x6 coil on my DFX,how ever hard i try and i keep putting the 5.3 coil back on,i still change back over to the small SEF,just replaced it back again for some reason it just performs better.The 5.3 may well be a great coil and alot of folks swear by ir but i have never really had great faith in it.

So for the time being and especially why the stubble is around after the harvest i will use the SEF8x6 coil which i feel much happier with.
 
JJdigs said:
I just picked up a mx5 and put a 8x6 sef coil on it and holy cow is the separation insane or what ! And that little coil hits a 9" quarter in my test garden better then most detectors I tried this year ! I was also impressed how tiny some of the objects it hit, it's sparky for sure I love it ! I bet once they tune in that MX sport that machine will Rock !

Well Done, They are pretty lively, and the depth is good too, Congrats, theres no stopping you now.

HH.
 
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