Video about gold rings and pull tabs

[amberjack]

You're joking, right ?

Who??

Amberjack.

All one needs to do, to dispel such notions, is take the person out to the nearest inner city blighted park, and turn them loose. See how many gold rings they can find, while leaving 99.9% of the aluminum behind. I think you would soon hear the sound of crickets, instead of the claims

no its true 99.9% of targets I dig below zinc are rubbish and so I can tell with great skill that 99.9% of targets I dig are not gold even at times I can up the percentage too 99.9999999% it truly is an astonishing skill I have achieved and has taken many years to develop to the point of how good I am at it now.
basically I dig a lot of crap and I am very good at it and I defy anyone to be as good at as me...

so for all those gold diggers out there follow me around your odds go up in the hunt for gold.

this thread will grind to a halt soon as you can not reply to this topic as it has been closed so if you have something funny to say better hurry up

AJ

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Ahh, now I understand your 99.99% I'm good at that prediction too, haha

 

[amberjack]

and I thought I was the only one who had this skill I have now joined amongst the higher echelon of our sport

good luck to all the park gold hunters out there your gunna need it

AJ

 

[slingshot]

and I thought I was the only one who had this skill I have now joined amongst the higher echelon of our sport

good luck to all the park gold hunters out there your gunna need it

AJ

What I like about your system is that every time you return, the trash is less.

 

[amberjack]

and I thought I was the only one who had this skill I have now joined amongst the higher echelon of our sport

good luck to all the park gold hunters out there your gunna need it

AJ

What I like about your system is that every time you return, the trash is less.

yes its true and I spent all last winter in one soccer ground 2 fields side by side that only gets used on game day and carnivals etc.. built in 1982 from the guy who was looking after it and it produced 6 gold items granted I worked hard for them and was probably the best local spot and now its hard yards but slowly I wack away at the rubbish and of cause there is the by catch that keeps us interested

gold is expensive and I know why bloody hard to find.

AJ

 

[MI-AuAg]

Hello J.D,

As I mentioned earlier, the CTX can (I believe), attain the same objective (?) on the fly, no "programming" or circuitry necessary. I'm guessing on the objective, because it's not clearly defined, nor demonstrated, (in the video) beyond discriminating of multiple tabs, while hitting on rings that obviously don't fall in same conductive area of the tabs.

The CTX ability is just a next generation derivative feature of your Etrac. I believe it's called smartmask, or something similar on your machine.

On the CTX, when encountering nuisance tabs, a common example appears as 12-18 in the ferrous/conductive (FeCo) ID zone. Two presses of the identify button, that very pricise tab zone is now masked/discriminated. A small gray blip appears in the white (accepted) area of the screen showing that precise area is now discriminated. This can be repeated to cover a variety of tabs 12-22,...etc. It can be restored just as easily. An additional benefit, while there is no tone ID on any of the rejected tabs, you still get a rejected target icon appearing at that FeCo point on the screen, so you still know it's under your coil. Can't get much easier to eliminate one or a dozen types of tabs, or restore them to be accepted, in realtime!

SO WHAT'S THE REAL BENEFIT? TRULY, NOT MUCH.

Since you have said, "I have been using this method on and off for about 6 months but have no gold using this program". That should be a pretty revealing fact J.D! You have been discriminating what appears to be MOST types of tabs for 6 months without any results. I can more easily, and more precisely do the same tab rejecting, and realistically my results would probably be the same. WHY? There most likely wasn't any rings there to begin with! That is the case in most areas detected.

Frankly, I prefer to run VERY LITTLE discrimination. By remembering, or using a cheat sheet of the FeCo #'s of known tabs, your'e accomplishing the same thing. Your Etrac, and my CTX are good at providing VERY accurate ID's to know with near certainty, if a tab is below the coil at reasonable depths. We don't HAVE to discriminate them, and if an ID # appears that is very close to a tab, but not exactly, we have the option to check it out, since it hasn't been masked out.

With todays new digital technolgy, and programmable machines, masking a variety of tabs (even 88% of them or more) is easily done. You still have a huge variety of other stuff, foil, aluminum slaw, etc., to contend with.

FINDING AREAS WHERE AN ABOVE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF RINGS/GOLD EXISTS, THAT'S THE REAL TRICK!! The ground, a few inches deep unfortunately, isn't carpeted with gold. It's a pretty rare find! Some find more, some much more, simply because they put themselves in places more likely, or much more likely, to contain that rare find! THAT'S CALLED EXPERIENCE, with a good dose of LUCK!! Wade tx confirmed that location is a big part of Jack's success.

Concentrating your efforts on good locations, I believe will provide you more success, than simply masking tabs IMO.

Good Hunting!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... I have scanned a bag full of pull tabs on the etrac and have those sections blocked out

There is a big difference between what you are doing, and what Jack is doing. You CAN INDEED do exactly what Jack is doing, with your E-trac. The problem is with each-of-your's respective interpretations/definitions of the above quote. ^ ^

depending on HIS samplings of pulltabs and YOUR samplings of pulltabs, is going to make all the difference in the world. If he were to take YOUR "bag-full of pulltabs", and adjust his detector so that they got rejected (crackled, nulled, or whatever), then TRUST ME : He would be missing most of those gold rings he's now getting.

I have a suspicion that his tab collection he's assembled is very concise. You can do that too: Take 100 tabs off 100 soda cans, and sample them for reject-setting purposes. But the trick is, that just like sampling 100 nickels, surprise surprise, they're all going to read the same. And sure: You can factor in various types of tabs (the 1970s type, the various competing brands of soda types, the modern types, etc...). But you are STILL left with perhaps 6 or 7 recurring types. And yes, after editing out ("notching") just those types, there are still various size gold rings that do NOT fall into those ranges.

Versus if you took a sampling of typical junky park aluminum junk (chopped up and/or bent up tabs, foil wads, molten can nuggets, can slaw, etc...) and edited out all THAT too, then you would eventually get to where you've edited out all your low conductors, including all gold rings . Unless the gold ring were big enough that read up into the zinc range, that is.

I also have a suspicion that Jack is hunting particular type areas that don't abound in the mountains of other aluminum junk (that don't happen to read in his concise tab coordinate zones). There are admittedly some types turf and sandboxes that will be prone to less junk. Upscale soccer fields where they're not eating and picnicking for instance. Or baseball fields that aren't used as cross-over picnic fields, etc... In that case, it's boiling down to a factor of "location location location", and not some trick of machines, disc. patterns, audio, etc....

 

[Tom_in_CA]

You didn't answer Tom Slick's question.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

N/T

 

[Tom Slick]

This is sometine I posted over 2 years ago. Basically a ring enhanced program using the V3i with a BigFoot coil. The BigFoot was not designed for use with three frequencies so it does some funny things with pull tabs.
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On recent drops for coins & jewelry I much prefer using 3 frequencies with the BF. Play with it some. It does this weird thing where it pushes the low conductors way up the vid scale and that makes it easier to develop programs that help to eliminate the tabs while still getting a majority of the gold rings.

Care to elaborate a bit on this?
What are the settings you are using?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/tbush/IMG_8949.jpg


This is a photo of pull tabs I detected . I wanted to see how they would respond to the BigFoot using the different frequencies so I set the detector up using 3 frequencies, the 7 kHz, and 22 kHz frequencies and then checked their VDI using an eclipse coil and that's how this chart is set up. The first column is the 3 freq. with the BF, 2nd col. is 7 kHz with BF, 3rd col. is 22 kHz with BF, and the 4th col. is the eclipse coil using 3 frequencies and the VDI's for it. You'll notice how high the VDI's are using the 22 kHz frequency with the BF. The first tab VDI's at 37 using 3 freq. and the eclipse coil while the BigFoot running at 22 kHz VDI's the same tab at 80. You'll also notice that using 3 freq. with the BF VDI's a number of the tabs at 54. This is the same VDI that a Zinc penny and a nickle VDI at using the BigFoot and 3 frequencies. This is because the VDI numbers get skewed on the lower Conductors when using the 3 frequencies on the BigFoot. Fortunately there's not very many of the tabs that VDI 54 in the field so using the spectragraph it's easy to tell the zincs from the nickels as the 22 kHz freq. hits the hardest on the Nickels while the 2.5 kHz hits hardest on the zincs. Using the fact that the tab VDI's get Skewed it has allowed me to develop a coin and jewelry program that eliminates most of the tabs while still getting most of the 95 gold rings that I've found over the years. Try these as a start. Using the BigFoot coil and 3 frequencies accept these VDI's. +10 to +36, +40 to +46, +48 to +54, +57 to +64, +68 to +93. Good Luck! Disclaimer: Pull Tabs in your area may vary from mine so test your local tabs and design a program that works best in your area.

 

[MI-AuAg]

... I have scanned a bag full of pull tabs on the etrac and have those sections blocked out

There is a big difference between what you are doing, and what Jack is doing. You CAN INDEED do exactly what Jack is doing, with your E-trac. The problem is with each-of-your's respective interpretations/definitions of the above quote. ^ ^

depending on HIS samplings of pulltabs and YOUR samplings of pulltabs, is going to make all the difference in the world. If he were to take YOUR "bag-full of pulltabs", and adjust his detector so that they got rejected (crackled, nulled, or whatever), then TRUST ME : He would be missing most of those gold rings he's now getting.

I have a suspicion that his tab collection he's assembled is very concise. You can do that too: Take 100 tabs off 100 soda cans, and sample them for reject-setting purposes. But the trick is, that just like sampling 100 nickels, surprise surprise, they're all going to read the same. And sure: You can factor in various types of tabs (the 1970s type, the various competing brands of soda types, the modern types, etc...). But you are STILL left with perhaps 6 or 7 recurring types. And yes, after editing out ("notching") just those types, there are still various size gold rings that do NOT fall into those ranges.

Versus if you took a sampling of typical junky park aluminum junk (chopped up and/or bent up tabs, foil wads, molten can nuggets, can slaw, etc...) and edited out all THAT too, then you would eventually get to where you've edited out all your low conductors, including all gold rings . Unless the gold ring were big enough that read up into the zinc range, that is.

I also have a suspicion that Jack is hunting particular type areas that don't abound in the mountains of other aluminum junk (that don't happen to read in his concise tab coordinate zones). There are admittedly some types turf and sandboxes that will be prone to less junk. Upscale soccer fields where they're not eating and picnicking for instance. Or baseball fields that aren't used as cross-over picnic fields, etc... In that case, it's boiling down to a factor of "location location location", and not some trick of machines, disc. patterns, audio, etc....

I totally agree Tom. The location factor is #1 in my book, not any type of special discrimination magic. Wade tx confirmed that Jack has good locations to hunt.

Say it again Tom, "location location location".

If Jack comes out with the magic "program" to definitively ID a target as gold, without digging it first, I'm all in!

 

[BarryL]

I don't really have a dog in this hunt since I myself am not a jewelry hunter unless I get lucky while digging all those solid vid numbers that pop up in the tab range. I do agree location is a big part of possibly finding gold rings . I myself have found only one gold ring in the 25 yrs I have been detecting "not very lucky I guess" . With that being said I do not know what this program is or what ever it is that Jack has researched and discovered but I do know he is a very honest and upfront Gentleman that I have known a long time . he has always been one of those guys that will go out of his way to help others and it may just be what I am thinking but the video and the info could be focused more towards the NOOB's in the hobby I could be wrong in this thinking and if I am then I will cage my hound and go back to my corner and just read the post and when I get past this sciatic nerve issue go back to digging for tokens and silver coins. Everyone in this thread has valid points and are a lot more knowledgeable in Jewelry hunting than me so I figure I will just jot down all the info I can from this thread and learn, oh and Jack if you by chance read this I would love to hook up and hunt with ya sometime soon again !! GOOD Luck to all God Bless

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... Care to elaborate a bit on this? ....

Looking at your pix of test items, I see they are all recurring tab-types. And let's assume a person is using a 3 dimensional scale . Not just the old-world scale of 0 to 95 ascending/descending scale. So that they not only have an up/down axis , but also a left/right axis. And/or the Spectrum & XLT "graph" with the smears. Or the Explorers and Etracs with their bouncing cursor. All of this was meant to improve on the yester-year simple up/down conductivity, such that objects had more "signature", eh ?

But herein lies the problem: Yes you can get *exact* signatures of all those tabs in your pix. And they will be much more elaborate than a simple TID that results from an up/down axis. And yes you can reject (aka notch) just those signatures. And yes you will reject those type tabs (assuming they're locking on those coordinates while in the ground).

But the PROBLEM is, that there's: a) still going to be a boatload of aluminum targets that don't fit into those exact parameters, and b) there's still going to be gold rings (admittedly a small percentage) that might read right in those ranges.

So really then, nothing has changed since the early 1980s. If someone wants to do "ring enhancement" programs, fine. And if that finds gold rings for them, fine. But in no way shape or form have they "rejected aluminum in favor of gold". And their systems go out-the-window the moment you start adding in foil wads, can slaw, and molten can nuggets.

 

[Furious T]

I like BarryL's post.

 

[Tom Slick]

Tom_in_CA - you're absolutely correct. waaaaaay to many variables. Bent Tabs, Cut tabs, different tabs than the ones tested, foil, slaw, aluminum washers, and aluminum chain link fence pieces. A person can, with time spent, detector knowledge, specific detectors, etc. increase their odds but still just a little.
There are exceptions of course, like the Long Range Locators where you put a piece of what you want to find in the antenna. I mean anything that can find targets at a half mile away must be able to find only gold and not aluminum, right?

 

[oneguy]

Only thing I can ad is this: I'm a coinshooter and use an etrac these last 3 years. I've "stumbled" onto 4 gold rings in 3 years and each one was "stumbled" upon when I was chasing what I thought was a nickel. I dig a LOT of nickels and a few BEAVER tail pulltabs while chasing nickels. If you scrim or notch out beaver tails you'll definitely miss some gold..........

 

[MI-AuAg]

Bottom line for me, I honestly don't know in totality what Jack has, or believes he has discovered. The video itself doesn't show anything too striking, from my point of view.

I honestly hope whatever it is, it turns out to be a big breakthrough in metal detecting! The hobby could use one.

I WISH JACK SUCCESS!

The pragmatist in me feels, if it simply deals with only discriminating pull tabs, it probably won't cause much of a ripple in the ocean of the metal detecting industry/hobby.

Time will tell. Good luck Jack.

Good hunting!

 

[Tom Slick]

I'd like nothing more than to see Jack come out with a "simple Circuit" that will do what he claims. Jack, put me at the top of the pre-order list!

 

[jackintexas]

Tom: I wish you were here. I would like to demo to you. I am 83 years old and probably nothing will come of it as it would be long term in producing anything. It is that I have made a discovery that not even the engineers have discovered. I can hunt in all kinds of trash & tabs silent util a gold ring or something that mimics a gold ring comes through. I have found three nice rings with my program. You have to go over them to get them My problem is I am not very mobil. But I am proud of what I have discovered....Last Wed I found a ring 18K with a platinum band around it. Too hot for me to get out much....Jack

 

[amberjack]

I think in Australia we call them sh$t stirrers

AJ