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Video about gold rings and pull tabs
- Thread starter jackintexas
- Start date
wade tx said:
I have no doubt that Jack has the ability to notch out most pulltabs wade, no doubt whatsoever. That inof itself isn't difficult. Honestly, all it shows is, the ring you described wasn't in that narrow discriminated tab parameter, no surprise there.
The fact is, when notching out a conductive parameter of a tab, any gold item falling within that notch is also discriminated out too. The simple law of averages says that in the VERY LARGE conductive area gold items can be found in, not too many gold items fall exactly within that relatively small notched/discriminated realm of tabs, so not much is being missed. On the flipside of that, as long as Jack digs EVERYTHING that doesn't fall in the tab (discriminated) range he WILL most definately find gold. Of course all the other nasties are still there, canslaw, foil wads, gum wrappers etc., they all fall squarley in the gold range too. How do you eliminate them? They will still have to be dug up and eliminated as a good target. You can't discrimaniate it all out, the pulltabs are the easy ones.
IF JACK HAS FOUND A SPOT WHERE, AFTER NOTCHING OUT PULLTABS, EVERY 6th DUG TARGET IS GOLD, THEN, THAT'S THE REAL STORY IN ALL THIS!!
To me, putting yourself in a place where those rings exist, is more a factor than any magic formula. As Tom in CA said, it's all location!
Good Hunting!
jackintexas
New member
Bring all your pull tabs And all your gold rings. I am sure you will be impressed. You can talk all you want about notching. I started notching in 1985 with my then Mark one. I certainly would not try to impress anyone with just notching.....Jack
jackintexas said:
Hello Jack,
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle what you're doing by any means! I'm just trying to wrap my head around exactly what is being accomplished.
In your video, and from what wade tx described, pull tabs seem to be the main antagonist. Are the rings you are finding falling in exactly the same ID parameter as the pull tabs that you discriminate out? Nothing about can slaw, foil, etc.is mentioned. How does that factor into it? Most parks are covered with that stuff. For most detectorist's screening out the tabs, doesn't pose a huge negative factor in finding rings, it's the other stuff.
A beach, or other relatively clean location is also different than trashy parks.
In your video, you clearly are eliminating pull tabs, while hitting on the gold. That alone isn't unusual when discriminating tabs, as the vast majority of gold is outside the tab realm, but some rings, can and do fall in that range.
I guess what I'm asking, is exactly what in the video, or your "system" for lack of a better word, is unusual? In terms of doing/accomplishing something that can't, or hasn't been done by others?
jackintexas
New member
Right now I am keeping it to my self. To see if money is to be made. With my program that I stumbled into while working on another project. I can hunt jewelry, eliminating approx 90% of the pull tabs while getting approx 90% of the gold rings.....Jack
wade tx said:
I agree with MI-AuAg. As soon as I read your post about 6 tabs to find a gold ring, I immediately wondered if "location" had something to do with it. Rather than a superhuman ability, or machine settings, etc.... to pass aluminum in favor of gold. Like for example, were you on a swim beach ? (versus a junky park, etc...)
I can think of junky parks where I TOO can effortlessly pass notched out tabs. And sure ... *eventually* I'll probably get a gold item. But no, it's not going to be a 6 to 1 ratio. It would be more like 500 to 1. Because there's a heck of a lot of other aluminum items that do NOT get notched out, when notching out round tabs.
If these setting work and it does what it claims it does then that is fine,just carry on what works for you,why i guess that you have had some back lash is the fact that i guess you are just showing the folks a video but not expanding on the settings used or how you use the setting.So what is happening i guess is that you are providing the beginning half of the story and the rest of the posters on the thread are finishing it for you.
It would have been best i guess too have just kept this method for your own use or provide the full story including the settings and how you use them.
It would have been best i guess too have just kept this method for your own use or provide the full story including the settings and how you use them.
Mega said:
That's pretty much it Mega.
The implication in what Jack is saying in the video, is some sort of new "program" he has devised with special abilities. The problem is, the video itself demenonstrates nothing more than simple discrimination.
I guess we'll have to wait for the next chapter. I wish him luck.
jackintexas said:
Jack, if I brought to you a handful of bunch of pulltabs, and a handful of a bunch of gold rings, then yes, you'd be right. In an air test, the same results as that video would happen. AS LONG AS we're talking the recurring type of pulltabs. Pulltabs (assuming not cut, bent real small, etc...) admittedly to tend to read at the same zone. Thus if I test 100 of the old round tabs (from the 1970s), I will get exactly the same reading. And if I test 100 of the beaver tails, I will get the same reading. AND YES: Those few particular coordinates will match only a small percentage of gold rings.
There was a study done back in the mid 1980s, where someone had a buddy who owned a jewelry store. The store owner let him test 100's of gold rings, and tediously log their TID signatures. And lo & behold, only about 5% (or whatever) had the exact same signature as the recurring round tab, and another 5% might have matched the square tab zone, and another few percent might have matched the beaver tail zone, and so forth. Then logically, you can see how a person can knock out those zones, and loose only a small percentage of gold rings. That's exactly what the video is doing. And that's known as notching.
jackintexas said:
As MI-AuAg has said: Sure, if all you're talking about is the recurring tabs (of which there's probably only really 6 or 7 types on all types of the commonly sold beverages) , then yes, you're right.
HOWEVER, you can NOT eliminate "90% of aluminum, while getting 90% of gold rings". So if you substitute "aluminum" in place of "tabs" in your above quote, it goes out the window. Like if you're in a park where foil wads, and molten aluminum nuggets, and can-slaw about, your system will go right out the window.
MI-AuAg said:
Amberjack.
All one needs to do, to dispel such notions, is take the person out to the nearest inner city blighted park, and turn them loose. See how many gold rings they can find, while leaving 99.9% of the aluminum behind. I think you would soon hear the sound of crickets, instead of the claims
Hi jack I really admire your technique and a supporter of your ideas ...Sounds like a fantastic approach... I have been trying to come up with a similar method for a very long time but without success.I have scanned a bag full of pull tabs on the etrac and have those sections blocked out so they are not heard.in saying this there is one type of pull tab which is more scarce than most that particular one I have left open which I do dig up every now and then.I have been using this method on and off for about 6 months but have no gold using this program .I believe that mathematics ie probability and averages has something to do with it .Im a believer in your method ...what am I doing wrong any tips you have would be greatly appreciated ...thank you kindly sir
jackintexas
New member
Hey JD: I am sorry but I am not able at this time to reveal my secret. It's something I have worked on for several years. It is really a very simple circuit, I am surprised no one has come up with it before. I have found three very nice gold rings since I completed my program. I can hunt , walking over about 90% of the pull tabs and still get about 90% or more of the gold rings. Even the very smallest ring comes out loud and clear. I hunted about a hour yesterday. ( I am 83 years old with lots of problems.) I can not hunt very long, especially in the heat. I bought a walker with extra large wheels and a basket for my drinks and diabetic supplies. So if you happened to be in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and you see an old man pushing a walker in one hand and swinging a detector with the other..That most likely will be me ....Jack
jackintexas
New member
Well. It certainly not just a lot of notching as you seem to believe.....Jack
HI Jack ...thanks for replying sir .I hope you dont mind me asking a few questions.I very rarely write things on forums however this is something i have been interested in for a long time and i could not resist to join in.
The video shows something very similar to what i have programmed on my etrac.On your detector i can only distinguish one tone just wondering what detector you are using,because on your video by the amount of pulltabs that arent discriminated on your program seems a bit too many.
Obviously your concept is new and innovative and no one else has discovered it yet so congratulations on your discovery.So my other questions are
1-is it a whole new detector that will be offered for sale or an add on circuitry type of gizmo or maybe a program with certain instructions.
2-when will the product be available for us to purchase and how much will it cost
3- or some more information on the product.
we need more info on the matter as it could be a game changer for many of us...the more information we get the more believable it will be for those that have doubts .
Looking forward to your reply ...thank you sir
The video shows something very similar to what i have programmed on my etrac.On your detector i can only distinguish one tone just wondering what detector you are using,because on your video by the amount of pulltabs that arent discriminated on your program seems a bit too many.
Obviously your concept is new and innovative and no one else has discovered it yet so congratulations on your discovery.So my other questions are
1-is it a whole new detector that will be offered for sale or an add on circuitry type of gizmo or maybe a program with certain instructions.
2-when will the product be available for us to purchase and how much will it cost
3- or some more information on the product.
we need more info on the matter as it could be a game changer for many of us...the more information we get the more believable it will be for those that have doubts .
Looking forward to your reply ...thank you sir