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stopped by police in town park

silvertrader

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i was metal detecting in my brothers town i wanted to try a new area for a change. ive gone there 4 times with good results. well today i police officer comes up to me and says u cant be making holes in the ground. i said what u mean ive metal detected many town parks without a problem all the holes are put back as they were never even made and all the trash is picked up too. well he said in this town u cant make holes. and i said says who. he said its the law. i said i dubt it.well im not arguing wilth you.you have to leave now. i said im not going anywhere what you goin to arrest me if i dont well someone called and said you were digging holes. yeah your point. then he asks where my car i said i walked here ok well you have to leave and i said um not leaving right now i planned to come here and spend a few hour i have a right to be here and im not leaving then a second cop comes ( im thinking in my head are they serious) they talk for minute and then they decide you can stay but you cant dig any holes. i said yeah ok. he said have a nice day i said how can i when you just fucked it up. they left i wasnt trying to be disrepectful to the officers but i know my rights very well my brothers a lawyer so im not dumb.ill be goin up to the town hall this week thats for sure. im still sooooo mad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i havent been this mad in years plus on top of that wasting time and our tax dollars for 15 - 20 mins for this when this so much other stuff going on.
 
Sadly, I think the days of hunting ANY public land may be coming to an end. Hell, in New York City, you can't even light a cigarrette in a public park anymore. Unfortunately, when you take it out on the Cop that is sent as the messenger boy, you lose and we lose. If the officer was doing it just because he could, then yeah he is a jerk, but you still pack up and leave then take it up with City Hall when they open. Doing what you did - justified or not, doesn't help you or our hobby. That is how I feel about it. May not be how you feel about it, and that's cool.
 
There are right and wrong ways to handle those types of situations, and it sounds like you completely over-reacted. They did not want to be jerks about it. When it comes down to it, they are police officers and technically they probably could have confiscated your detector. I know that you said you weren't disrespecting the officers, but it sounds to me like you pretty much were. Just because your brother is a lawyer does not mean YOU know the laws for every city and town in your state. Now they are going to expect a confrontation and maybe be even more of a jerk to the next detectorist that has the bad luck of trying anywhere in that town. Good luck at the town hall, but please don't make us look any worse.
 
you definitely "screwed" up!..never,ever give 'em any s**t!..take it up with city hall!
the cop is just responding to a complaint by some a**hole who cannot mind his /her
own business!.don't exacerbate the situation by givin' the cop grief!..your actions really do reflect on all of the rest of us!
just sayin!

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
You should have stopped, walked away when they asked you to leave. Did yourself no favors really !

I would have came back 20 - 30 mins later and if they came back, I'd ask to see the town law / ordanance, bet they could not even produce it !
 
Unfortunately because of your action, if there wasn't an ordinance against detecting, there will be one on the table at the next city council meeting. You need to remember to "kill em with kindness" instead of crudeness.
 
In Albuquerque New Mexico, the cop would have mistook your metal detector for a firearm and shot you dead for giving him grief.
or, suddenly felt threatened by your digging tool and shot you dead for giving him grief.
or, just shot you dead for giving him grief and then said he felt threatened.
or, just shot you dead in your car as you left, claiming you were fleeing the police. Well...they can't do that anymore because we just now passed a law that they couldn't do that anymore :blink:

As you can tell I'm a little upset at my trigger happy police department. They killed a guy yesterday who had a SPOON in his hand.

Just be glad that the local PD officer who was dispatched to visit you had the self control to walk away from you. Not all of them do, or will.

Goodluck,
Mike
 
silvertrader: terry, totcohand, jmary, BH, mitto, & Mike are all correct: EVEN THOUGH you may have had a legal standing (ie.: there was no prohibitions specific), yet it sounds like you went about it in an over-reactive way. Yes, I know it's not easy when Barney-fife types approach us, and heck, none of us likes to leave an area when we're digging old silver coins :)

However, to be honest with you, there probably IS verbage that disallows digging, if legaleze types were to scrutinize long enough and hard enough. I mean, even if the law didn't use the exact word "digging", I bet that, for sure, there is verbage in ANY park's dept code, that disallows "damage and destruction", for instance. Now, of course, WE all know that we will leave no trace of our presence, right? That is, we'll cover our holes with no trace, and thus, the implication of "damage" or "destruction" is the END result, right? So in our minds, if no trace is left, then technically, we haven't violated that, right? But you have got to admit, that no matter how we sugar coat it, there's still that interim temporary necessary evil of retreiving the object. And so long as you had so much a screwdriver (much less a trowel or leshe) who do you think is going to win that debate? They've got to respond to calls from busy-bodies, and ....... they can't spend all their time deciding who is *truly* being neat, verses who isn't doing a good job at covering and stomping their holes. So how can you fault them for this knee-jerk association? Odds are, they would never have paid you mind, if that cop had just been driving down the street. But when they get a call from a nosy-parker, they have to do lip-service. You can't blame them, when they're constantly coming under criticism for not responding, not being there when the public calls, etc....

Thus, put yourself in their shoes. It's better to give lip-service, and ......upon explaining to them you leave no trace, let them know that you'll help them appease the caller anyhow (with a wink and a smile), and move on ..... FOR THEN. Then, if it's a good park, producing nice silver old coins, you merely return at night, and continue hunting out of the scrutiny of busy-bodies :) Heck, it's gotten to where I hunt a lot of parks after dark. NOT because there's necessarily any rule I'm trying to evade, but specifically so that no rule is ever MADE. Ie.: simply be more discreet, and avoid those random busy bodies, to begin with. Because if you think you're going to find parks where you can please every single passer-by, you've probably chosen the wrong hobby. I have never seen a park with neon signs saying "metal detecting welcome here". Nor can I envision a city hall desk-clerk who would tell me "sure, go have a blast, you can dig in the park all you want". So you have to face the facts: we're in an odd hobby that draws the stares of curious on-lookers, and we can not deny the fact of the retreival process knee-jerk assumptions. Thus, the solution is, avoid busy bodies, and keep a lower profile. Sometimes I just avoid a park for a year, then return a year later. And magically, often-time you can go till your blue in the face, because people tend to move on, or perhaps it was just an isolate incident (a single cop having a bad day, or a single busy body who has since moved away, etc....)
 
Mike Hillis said:
In Albuquerque New Mexico, the cop would have mistook your metal detector for a firearm and shot you dead for giving him grief...

Mike, I just wanted you to know it took me 10-minutes to get the coffee off my screen and keyboard after I read this. I laughed so hard I think I wet my pants a little.. - Terry
 
Terry S. NYC is not that bad.....I been hunting here now and have made a friend or two...Nobody has yet stopped me or given me grief....I do stop and talk to the men and women working for d/p.


Now for the account that was brought up.....You have a legal right to detect and recover items...but...when the Po PO speak to you how you come across can adversely affect what rights you have.. You make more friends talking kindly and asking polite questions than aggravating the situation. Not saying I have never done that....but the repercussions can involve more troubles down the line.
After all you do not want your actions to cause town hall to put a ban on detecting, because the police asked them to do it.
Yes, you have the right to stay in the even if they have asked that you do not detect. But they have the guns and I simply do not trust most people with a weapon.....and being That I carry a pointy awl for coin retrieval I do not wish to being an awl to a gun fight.
 
I know of one town in Northern Indiana, the city park is posted with signs, no metal detectors allowed, in park vehicles are subject to search,and fine, they patrol it heavily, I have never pushed my luck there.

Most towns and parks I have been and at, they could care less,:garrett:
 
Sorry you had such a bad day, but nobody won this round. Not you, the police or our hobby. Being unfairly asked to leave a public place is frustrating, but I believe the trip to city hall would have been your best option. Educate, don't irritate..
 
Gonna chime in here and add to the post by saying when we're out there doing our thing, you have to respect people's "concerns" and adjust responses to whoever (while keeping it as positive as possible). No one right way except for letting "your" good attitude lead you to a proper response. Face it, our hobby is a very small niche with a still smaller amount of people understanding it for what it is. We take tools and "cut" through ground coverage that does get impacted.....no downside here when done intelligently or not done when conditions aren't right. Plus....that officer was "invested" with a a predisposition to someone out there with a shovel, leaving a mess, and due to past experiences (or stories) of someone tearing up a school or park, had to do his job efficiently and fast.

Hopefully he didn't walk away thinking "These guys are jerks and I'll be danged if I'm going to take the time out of my day to deal with them in a case by case basis.... AND NOW I have to go to another city counsel meeting...FOR THIS!"
 
No joke, Terry. I find them to be a bit scary here. Then again we are a little city with a big city crime rate.

They had a law in place that the police couldn't give chase if you decided to flee in your vehicle but that they could shoot you and your vehicle. And they did.
They just now changed that law so that they can chase you down, but can't shoot you while doing it.

I just make sure to show empty hands and a polite attitude whenever I have to deal with them.

HH
Mike
 
In my town it is ok with the police to detect, I was approached about a month ago by the police, i was polite and he was polite. He was actually interested it what i found. He then asked me if i would watch for any illegal activity and gave me a card to call if I saw anything out of the way.
 
don't even have to hunt after dark!..just come back in two weeks,or so!..maybe ya make it,and maybe ya don't
as mentioned,the cop is just doing his job,and his hands are tied!..he has to investigate the complaint,,and WE always lose!
think about it!..it's a no-brainer for the cop!..you are digging in a public place,and EVERYONE will back him up if he tells YOU to
move on!..you are f**ked!..accept this and go back LATER!..chances are,you will be allright the second time around!
just sayin'!

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
Same style of communism happend to me a few weeks ago. My solution was to keep quiet, stopped detecting, and contacted the City Manager. He wrote me a letter informing that metal detecting was O.K. in the parks. He also informed me that communication would take place with the Chief of Police about this matter, and all officers would receive some "training". In a situation like this, you have to communicate with the higher authority (city manger, Mayor, etc).



Bulletman
 
I read these metal detecting horror stories, and I remind myself how blessed I am to live in metal detecting dream land here in SW Texas. I live in a large county with a small population, everybody knows everybody. I am the only serious metal detector/treasure hunter here. All the lawmen know me, if they see me out hunting, they usually stop to see what I have found, the Sheriff in the county, and the one next to us has asked me several times to help them locate crime evidence, which I always do. Several of the ranch owners let me on there property to treasure hunt. We have only one city park and school. The officials do not have a problem with me hunting there also. I share my finds with property owners and donate some to our local small museum. I wish I knew the magic formula to solve the problem. A hundred good detector hunters get blamed for the actions of one bad hunter, and we all suffer. Maybe positive communication and respect might help, I don't know. Sadly these ingredients are in short supply in our world today. Txquest
 
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