Sorry to whip a dead horse.

[JASONSPAZ1]

n/t

 

[BusDigger]

I doubt Tesoro ever had, nor ever will have an attitude of wanting to be the "biggest", or try and corner the market on selling the same thing in new plastic. If that's what you like....plenty of other manufacturers who'll gladly sell it to you

Smitty

 

[fowlercharles]

Hi Jason. I think everyone will have to admit the temptation to be impatient in the seemingly over due new Tesoro machine/s but to be realistic about it, that is not the least the fault of Tesoro, but our own continual craving for that "something new and different".. That frustration is really uncalled for when we back up and give Tesoro the credit due them. Sure ,if they did everything just like our cravings would have them to do they would be just like all the other detector Co's. They are not,and never have been, thank goodness, like any of the other Co's and we sure had better be glad they aren't. Stack all of Tesoro's +'s up against all the rest and you will have to admit in their favor ,even when of course the connector problem is taken into account. That was really no fault of Tesoro from what I understand and I will accept that, simply because I know , as well as do you and many others,that Tesoro has always done their utmost to keep "US" more than a little happy with their Products, and Service.Those that haven't been there and done it with some of the other Co's will naturally not understand that. Tesoro has proved themselves over the years, and for myself personally, considering the newest tech.advances, the pursuit and "cost"thereof, I don't care if Tesoro ever comes out with another machine. But if and when they do, as always I wish them well and will standby for the latest reviews, as I always have. Tesoro has always done right by us and I think it only fair that we do the same by them. Let's go digging and have some HH, Charlie

 

[slingshot]

Haven't even been thinking about a detector so I'll have to look and see what a G2 is. Hey Mark-did you notice any difference in the operation of your Royal? I'm about to send mine in for a once over and since I broke the original coil see if it needs to be matched to the 5.75" coil. Thanks.

 

[Markmac]

slingshot no not really there wasnt really anything wrong with it that i knew about but it had never been sent badk for a tune up or checkup what ever you want to call it.Im sure the ychecked all connections but cant recall anything special that it needed.i remember Rusty commenting on how nice of shape the Royal Sabre was in that it looked new which it does.i have babied that machine over the years even waxing the housing and cleaning coil after ever use.its one i just cant part with, im going to sell my master hunter 7 and another unit i have but will keep the Royal.....best of luck to you all....Markmac

 

[hardrockminer]

Hey Hardrock Miner.
You sound like a horse and buggy manufacture ripping into the auto industry in fear that somehow someone is saying your precious horse carage's are inferior.

I am genuinely sorry if I personally insulted you, but I can not sit here and be accused of being a mole when the proof is in the pudding in the form of equal criticism of all manufactures for dragging their heels.

HH
Jason

Jason,

I'm not insulted, I'm just tired of armchair quarterbacks (& bashers ) + the negitive headers posted on the Tesoro Forum.

((((( I have used 4 different White's, 2 MineLabs (one was a PI) & 2 Tesoro's.))))) >>>>>>>> This is just my opinion, mind you; <<<<<<<< VLF's (old technology) have pretty much hit the pinnacle of what they can do.......All MD'er companies pushing VLF's are just tweaking sections of circuits, adding frequencies & tweaking coils. They are putting on a new wrapper & putting on a Wis bang ad campaign that it the new best thing out there. Your paying alot of money for something new that has very little improvement over the previous model.

I hope Tesoro & other MD'er companies don't just try and rush a machine out there because people are just whining that they haven't had a new one out lately. Tesoro has done a great job at miniaturizing the electronics & tweaking the coils (hot technology) making a super lite weight unit that can be swung for longer periods of time &/or by older people (so they can still enjoy the hobby).

Maybe the whiners need to realy get out there and learn how to use the machine they have, before they buy a new machine.


If Tesoro can make a small lite weight PI unit with the depth or near depth of a ML : that would be a new frontier. PI's are the next generation but not everybody wants to dig 3 foot holes & swing heavy MDers (plus parks would probley outlaw MDing all-together if people were digging deep holes).

Both types ( VLF's & PI ) of MDers have there place & uses.

HaRM

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

Let me extend the Olive branch and just say that once again I love Tesoro and am not lobbing rocks over a fence because I want to start a war.
I just want Tesoro to fix this silly Tiger shark coil connector that they have been promising for the past two years. I am just concerned with their R&D capabilities if a coil connector has them stumped.

Peace
HH
Jason

 

[dixiedigger57]

hey Jason, i dont care what they make new, i'm so broke i can't pay attention. Thank goodness for their warranty. I have an old big box Eldorado and a straight shaft Amigo II, and will be satisfied with them because they are paid for and can't buy anything new. I have a broken Garrett to try and fix, and letting my C and G go to a new friend. the new year starting off rough, real rough. need to find that pot o gold! if Tesoro went under and my machines went kaput, well, family needs first and would be out of business a while. And would still replace with used Tesoro if could not fix them. Second choice would be vintage Compass, i know some people from their forum that could help, and Keith at East Texas is good also commercially. Some of us just dont like change. The locals are getting ticky about digging in parks. just waiting for a two box job to appear and someone dig a foxhole and mess us all up. I agree with Hard rock miner on that. just waiting for the ordinance against the devil machines as a local scientist called them at an historical dig. On Meteorite men they were in Sweden, and i heard them say it is against the law without a permit, and all kinds of terms to meet. what next?

 

[jmaryt]

I AGREE!..it's an ongoing issue with apparently NO solution as long as there are
people in the hobby that are apathetic..ya gotta cover those holes!..make the place look better than when you arrived!
if ya don't?..we are all "f**ked!..

(h.h.!)
j.t.

 

[hardrockminer]

Let me extend the Olive branch and just say that once again I love Tesoro and am not lobbing rocks over a fence because I want to start a war.
I just want Tesoro to fix this silly Tiger shark coil connector that they have been promising for the past two years. I am just concerned with their R&D capabilities if a coil connector has them stumped.

Peace
HH
Jason

Jason,

Hope Tesoro can get over the coil connector issue (if that was the real issue) to so they can start up water hunting machines manifacturing for the fans out there again. I to am surprised that they haven't found another manifacture for the part needed. But because of patents on part design &/or circuit designs might be hampering their efforts behind the scenes to resolve things. You never know.

Aren't allmost all the salt water machines made by all MD'er manifactures PI so they can ignore the salt & mineralization better ? (Ive never check into them or owned one)

HaRM

 

[dixiedigger57]

Hey Hardrockminer, there are some bounty hunters/discovery/radio shack clones or store brands what ever you want to call them that have a salt mode. they have auto trac or auto ground balance, and supposedly work on most salt beaches in that mode. i have read mixed reviews on them. some of the older vlf/tr machines have directions for salt beaches, most low khz like 6.6 or less. i guess its how mineralized it is, i understand some northern areas have high iron too. i am looking at an older one of the above that has a salt mode switch. cheap at a pawn shop. Kellyco does not advertise them on the beach machine sites, and they do not come up on other advertisers that way, just all terrain jobs. I know they are not PI machines. cant get one now, but still would like to know. I tried my eldorado on a beach once, no go, but a friend that has had one since they come out, now has two, used to hunt the ga coast a lot, and said he worked his, just if it touched the ground, it went off. was not the best, but beat nothing. i live three hours inland and cannot justify one now with budget. but if i lived near the coast, would definitely have a PI or dual mode machine like tigershark.

 

[LilloEsquilo]

If they really have something new and useful to offer, I'm sure they will bring it out.

If not, what they have is pretty good. I've personally used some of the "newfangled" machines, and most of them didn't really impress me too much, with one notable exception being the E-Trac, simply based on what I found with that, I obviously took to it. But I don't care for Minelab as a company, so I'm done with them.

I guess if you want something with a whiz bang paint job and some flashy stickers, there will be other machines to buy. Me, I've come to appreciate simplicity with time. That's my choice. I guess you are welcome to yours.

 

[Sven]

I never owned a Tesoro but I have read so many outstanding
things about them.

The best warranty is the business ......that's something we can all agree on!

Your time will will come.............

 

[Furious T]

Like a lot of the people who have posted on this thread, I use Tesoros and several other brands of detectors. Why did I buy other brands when I already had Tesoros? Variety! Try something new! The grass is always greener...etc. etc. Are other brands better than the Tesoros? Probably not! Just different features and some additional features to their Tesoro cousins. Everyone is different, and detectorists, like people in any activity, have personal likes and dislikes....otherwise there would only ever be one company producing any particular line of product (e.g. motor cars).

Why do we become obsessed with "improvement", "latest technology", "going deeper (when in lots of places we dig we cant go any deeper without getting banned)"? It's as if we get caught up in companies' promotional machines and get dragged right in...

For example, I can go out hunting with my latest machine (had it for nearly 12 months), and the next day take out my 9 yr. old Tesoro, and have just as much fun, find just as much stuff and go home feeling that I've had a good time.
Why then, did I buy my latest machine? I wanted to try something new! I wanted to see what other manufacturers are producing, and experience the "latest" features of changing technology.

When it comes down to the final analysis, until someone produces an X ray machine which actually shows us what is in the ground (and I hope it never happens), the changes in detecting technology seem to me to be superficial ones...sure, there have been improvements in recovery speed, discrimination, ground balance etc over the last 30 or 40 years, but have there been real improvements over the last 5 to 10 years...generally speaking? There have been changes, but change does not always bring improvement, and change for the sake of change should sometimes be avoided at all cost.

I would be interested to see what Tesoro can come up with by way of a new machine....not because I think they need a new machine (I think their machines are great and still do the job that the "other" newer machines do). I am interested to see how they can improve what they already have. Most Tesoro users are happy with their machines (from what I have read on these forums). If Tesoro dont have the exact machines that we want, we can go buy something else, but I dont think Tesoro needs to panic and produce a new machine just for the sake of doing so.

P.S. I am not employed (or contracted) by (or to ) any detector manufacturer.

 

[dan b]

I think even something as simple as giving some of the existing machines tones like the Golden has (except spread out a bit more) would be enough to generate a huge wave of sales. Can you imagine a Tejon with 4 tones?

Dan

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

n/t

 

[Willee - Texas]

Instead of saying things like " Is Tesoro in trouble" or "when is the Tigershark going to be back in production" I will just say that Tesoro is the only company that has not released anything new in years except for new lower poles. Take it for what it is but Tesoro needs some new machines. Yes I know that their current line up is good but some of the newer middle range detectors from other company's are getting all the fanfare. Perhaps the Gifford boys just don't have the passion that their old man did. A simple statement on their website saying something to the affect " We are still here and wait til you see what we have under development" would go a long way in garnering confidence in their R&D .
I love Tesoro and always have. But come on new lower poles and that is it? I have heard everything like that one of the brothers has health problems and/or one of the brothers sold his share to pursue other things? Perhaps they are just rumors, but those are the only rumors you hear about. Nothing solid is coming out of Prescott. And when it takes years to solve a coil connector...... Ok sorry I wont say it
I want Tesoro to be at the top. We all do!

Take Care
HH
Jason

If it takes them over a year to design and make a waterproof connector ... just think how long the whole detector would take to get to market.

 

[UNCLENICK]

Dont feel like its whipping a dead horse. Everyone can say all the great and fantastic things about Tesoro all they want.BUT... they still havent answered questions, dont give out responses, its like they disappeared. If they are so great why has it been this long, 6 months okay, but over 12 months? Thats terriable, no matter how great their products are. Its okay to do this because they make great products? The one guy that I know of, didnt even get his Sandshark back until 11 months later! Yeah, just the company I want to do business with...

 

[BusDigger]

Dont feel like its whipping a dead horse. Everyone can say all the great and fantastic things about Tesoro all they want.BUT... they still havent answered questions, dont give out responses, its like they disappeared. If they are so great why has it been this long, 6 months okay, but over 12 months? Thats terriable, no matter how great their products are. Its okay to do this because they make great products? The one guy that I know of, didnt even get his Sandshark back until 11 months later! Yeah, just the company I want to do business with...

Must be 2 UNCLENICK's here

I just noticed now it says with astricks "Sandsharks/tigersharks currently out of production". Dammit i want one, and not used if i have to. This is making me maddd!!!

Nick

I think the Garrett board is missing you...................

Smitty

 

[padiggin]

....I'm kind of tired of the same old rumors mill and gossip concerning Tesoro. Yeah, yeah, we all know....you and everyone else wants a new Tesoro product. Well it isn't here yet, so relax and stop spreading rumors, stop the gossip and start offering topics that people can use to learn this hobby. If all we are going to see are the same old comments, rumors, gossip and other ridiculous comments about Tesoro going under, most of us may as well not even bother coming online to read the Tesoro forum. Enough is enough already. I come on to learn what other guys are doing with their Tesoros, what they are finding with them and the ideas people have in making this hobby more enjoyable. I do NOT come on to hear the same old whine and cry of speculation that Tesoro is going under.....because it's JUST that.....speculation on the part of someone who really doesn't know. Can we change the topic to something that will add value to the folks that come on here to learn something? How about this topic.....what are you guys who live in the northern climates that are having this horrible weather doing to satisfy their detecting craving?