Pinpointer Brand :help:

[Old Katz]

The H.H stands for Harbor Frieght, a company that sells a chinese made pinpointer that gets NO ddepth at all. The Pro-pointer penetrates
2 inches into the ground. I use the Pro-pointer on the targets that reat at 2" and find them fast. I can just pop the target right out of the ground and not
leave any mess behind.
Katz

 

[tab-nabit]

The H.H stands for Harbor Frieght, a company that sells a chinese made pinpointer that gets NO ddepth at all. The Pro-pointer penetrates
2 inches into the ground. I use the Pro-pointer on the targets that reat at 2" and find them fast. I can just pop the target right out of the ground and not
leave any mess behind.
Katz

Wouldn't "H.F." be more appropriate? I can't see HH

 

[Old Katz]

Typo. Sorry about that.-)
Just my meds taking a toll on me again.-)
Katz

 

[redbird]

For anyone who is worried about the attention you get with the pro pointer ..Very simple fix use clear tape or get some silcon and dab it in the speaker hole.....by doing this you will reduce the noise to tolarable decibels You will not hurt the pointer

 

[marcomo]

For anyone who is worried about the attention you get with the pro pointer ..Very simple fix use clear tape or get some silcon and dab it in the speaker hole.....by doing this you will reduce the noise to tolarable decibels You will not hurt the pointer

You can also easily put your finger over the speaker to drop the volume down considerably, I often do it inadvertently.

 

[kered]

I prefer the pocket uniprobe to the sunray as i can use the same pointer with different detectors, also no chance of leaving them lying on the ground, only problem with the sunray is you sometimes forget to switch back to the coil haven't we all. then realise 100yds further on
Also noticed that my Sunray worked better on the explorer than the etrac for some reason, or i should say the Explorer worked better than the etrac with the probe conected, i lose performance and have had a split screen on the etrac when probe was conected. When the uniprobe gives in i'll get the pistol probe and fix it to a lanyard just in case.

 

[rsadler]

I've just invested in a 580 from a company who I believe will take this unit back for a 20% restocking fee. This is my first pointer. I am giving a review having not mastered (perhaps) the technique of using a pulse unit. When I tried it in the first hole I dug, I got false readings. Every time the tip hit the grown it went off. Granted, when it gets within 1/2 inch of the target it would pulse consistently.

First impression...I find it hard to use and pinpoint my find. Again, if the tip fired/vibrated as it neared the target, it would be great. When it fires with each touch of the dirt, it is useless. Maybe I have a bad pointer. If it worked as advertised, I believe it would beat the Garrett.

I would be interested to know if the 580 vibrates every time you touch the ground? In fact, I can take the tip and just touch the ground and it will vibrate...every time.

 

[silversmith]

Well shucks................! This is going to be tough....... Yeah, lots of "HA HA HA's" and lots of "I TOLD YOU SO's" I'm going to feel about TWO FEET TALL. But I just couldn't help it. After all the BALL-A-HOO, and, honestly, being weak yesterday morning I DID IT. Yes dar'n it, I DID IT. After all thats been said. I finally was cruising E-bay.....there was a Garrett Propointer for sale for $127.50. Not $127.45 SO I BOUGHT THE DAMN" THING SO GO AHEAD...! Do your LAUGHING. I guess I got it coming. It'll be here in about a week or so. SO I've 'fessed up. You guys have your fun.

 

[SteveP(NH)]

No will laugh at buying a Propointer - once you use it once you won't think of going hunting with out it.

 

[Shambler]

Your hatred for Garrett cost you $207.49. But, look on the bright side, you now have a tricked-out Fisher F-Point to find wall studs with.

 

[silversmith]

Me? I never hated Garrett. I've owned some excellent Garrett products. I just don't tolerate price controls. If I had never found one at any other price than $127.45, I still wouldn't own one. And thats the truth.

 

[nwdetectorist]

Hi rsadler,

I have been using a new Vibraprobe 570 since April of this year and had to send it back for repairs in late May.
The turnaround time on the repair was about a week.

What I have found is that mine will false out like you describe.
I can only get past this with a new battery of top quality.
I tried rechargeable NIMH 9V batteries of 1750 MAH but they only seem to work for about an hour or two before the performance of the Vibraprobe570 begins to drop off sharply.

My thinking is that I might try switching over to using the 99 cent throwaway carbon pile 9V batteries and throw them away after each outing
Other than that I would have to use the expensive $4 to $6 9V batteries and then they are only good for about 5, maybe 6 hours use.

All of this contrasts with the great performance of an older Vibraprobe (I believe it was the 540) that I used to borrow from a friend all the time.
It was great and the battery seemed to last forever.



IMHO

nwdetectorist

 

[Shambler]

price controls? hmmmm.

So here's the deal with MD dealerships as I understand it: Because the industry has very low distribution, a major store on the corner of inland city "X" selling only metal detectors is, at best, difficult to keep open and completely impossible as an only source of income. Of course, you can allow Dick's and Radio Shack a dealership, but the personal contact that has been proven to result in more sales and brand loyalty (equaling future boxes out the door and better products for all of us) does not exist. The problem is the 21 year old at those stores selling tennis shoes or rubber rafts doesn't know jack about detecting. So the way you fix this is by allowing the field experts/users to sell your detectors BUT also recognizing that they are doing it part time and therefore must buy in low volume. The danger of allowing wholesale purchase at low volumes is that the more personally wealthy "dealers" can then sell to buddies and friends at cost + shipping or use the web to try and move large amounts at a low margin. Either of those kills the other local expert dealers who need to cover their overhead. Heck, most dealers moving 5-10 detectors a year will go hunting with you - instructing you on operation and allowing you to try out the detector (after they get off from their real job of course). This is why you won't see the Spectra for sale anywhere on the web - it has to be hand delivered. White's believes the personal contact will result in higher overall sales.

So .... OEMs advertise an MSRP but allow a MAP (in this case $127.50). If you walk into a treasure hunting shop in coastal city "Y", that pinpointer is somewhere between 127.50 and 159, if you buy on the web, as you did, its right at the MAP. In this case, someone got cute, knowing their dealership wouldn't be pulled over a nickle.

IF you sell it at lower and get caught, you can no longer buy at wholesale. Not enforcing a MAP in a business like this would save you a measly 20% but result in lower over all sales, which is quite the opposite of what I'm assuming you're trying to accomplish by being upset at the MAP. Lower overall sales resulting from fewer dealers in an industry like metal detecting would mean industry stagnation.

 

[marcomo]

Excellent explanation, Shambler.

Silversmith, I'm curious. If you don't tolerate the Manufacturer's Actual Price or price controls, if you prefer, what detecting company do you buy from that doesn't price this way?

 

[silversmith]

I don't remember where I bought my last detector, somewhere in a southeastern state, but I got a decent deal. If you can't get a good deal on the 'net, don't buy, pay shipping and wait a week. buy it local. The thing with the Propointer, became an issue.

 

[Shambler]

Like I said, if people are out finding "local deals", then they're just hurting the hobby. The dealers trying to make ends meet just stop selling because they can't afford it and that means less moving boxes for the OEM. Imagine going to your company, who's measly hobby division moved 15,000 units worldwide, and asking them for $200,000 for front end R&D on the next best detector.......... not happening

Folks think they're getting a good deal because someone discounted MAP.... those same ones go complaining that the detector didn't meet expectations.

 

[TURNMASTER]

I havn't bought a pinpointer yet. But I got my XT705 from a local dealer because he is an expert and been in the hobby for many years and always has time to talk treasure hunting with me. I do buy other stuff from other places but I try to do business with him because he is a local smaller shop and a nice guy. Saving 15$ is nice but having someone right here I can talk to face to face who uses the product goes a long way. My 2nd and 3rd coils came from him and I got the lowest price. The Garrett pinpointer I may get from Kellyco because I want the books (maybe). Although it is aful nice to walk in the door and walk out with what I want, no shipping required.

Jeff

 

[silversmith]

Actually, it's called competition, the American way. As this country moves farther away from capitalism welcoming socialism, more are gladly giving up individual freedoms for controls. In this case, those freedoms that keep prices down are being exchanged for controls to make a few lazy, non-competitive dealers wealthier. Hey, if I can save a buck or two, I go for it. If you can get a better deal somewhere, that's what you should do. My opinion, FAIR is another word for LOSS of freedoms. :sad:

 

[Shambler]

Actually, it's called competition, the American way

:veryangry::veryangry: Don't preach the "American Way" to another conservative ESPECIALLY when you're this un-educated about the free market!!!!!!

In THIS instance the [size=large]manufacturer[/size] sets the price NOT the government or some other third party. :veryangry: From one uber conservative to another, I have to say you have this issue so incredibly wrong you should be a bit embarassed. Your epic failure of understanding actually gives your "American Way" a bad name. Destroying your business by setting your prices so low that no business man can viably sell them with expertise your device requires is decidedly UNAMERICAN!

This is about moving MORE boxes to keep the business viable NOT controlling prices to gouge the poor pinpointer purchaser. In fact the MAP makes the dealer between 10% and 20%. If you think that supports the inland dealers business when he can only move 10 detectors a year, you haven't thought it out. Do the math - it cover's their overhead (phone, advertising, Internet, shipping, time, etc.) so they can sell a product they love and provide the education and trial the industry STRIVES on. So if all of the dealers close up shop because one Internet pinhead sells at cost + shipping then the OEM moves half of the detectors that the other system does. Why in the world would a BUSINESS set its self up for a loss so that you see a wide range of fluctuation in price - giving yourself a warm American way feeling? They are selling at the lowest price they can - if that's not the American way, I don't know what is.......... IN FACT, I'll take this even further - the punks selling at ONLY the MAP on the web are hurting the industry because it has created an environment where all local only (no Internet presence) dealers are part time.

Why do you think EVERY OEM would operate this way? Because they are all communist pigs? I put together a three paragraph explanation of why this industry and OTHER industries that SERVE VERY small markets (that then require a high level of expertise to use the product operate this way), and you still fell back your original point that the manufacturer was stifling HIS OWN competition by setting HIS OWN prices - that makes absolutley no sense.

As this country moves farther away from capitalism welcoming socialism, more are gladly giving up individual freedoms for controls.

[size=large]Socialism[/size]

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


Get a grip! Using the inflammatory term socialism to describe this issue hurts the real fight against socialism and gives financial conservatives a bad name

uke:

 

[silversmith]

Oh yeah, I'll bet you and your mrs. truck down to the grocery store when the ads come out and Peachy Keen Produce has bananas priced less than Poor Boy's Buy for Less! When you bought your new Chevvy I guess you just stopped at the nearest dealer cause they all sell for $127.45, everywhere. Conservatives usually want the competitive market to dictate prices and not slide toward protectionist ideals. Any way your opinion is your right, and mine is mine. Enjoy your Bananas!