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My thoughts on the new Cazador...........
- Thread starter Ivan
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Lake Hunter
Member
When Tesoro is ready to announce the new unit ....i'll be waiting....and until then...my other Tesoro units will keep producing more finds for me.
Tesoro still stands behind their units ... old and new..
And great customer service and lifetime warranty and built in USA... will always be #1 in my book. JMO
Tesoro still stands behind their units ... old and new..
And great customer service and lifetime warranty and built in USA... will always be #1 in my book. JMO
WILL_PENNY
New member
............Lake Hunter said:
And you forgot to mention, look at any classified section on any forum, any auction site and you will see far less Tesoro's for sale then any other current Metal Detector Manufacturer. That says only one thing, Tesoro makes the perfect detector and I see no reason for Tesoro to change a thing...
Lake Hunter
Member
WILL_PENNY said:
I agree 100%.......I do own several different brands....but my Tesoros always seem to find the gold in the lakes when the pickins are slim. And that means alot to me.
WILL_PENNY
New member
Ivan said:
I am talking about the classified section of any detector or treasure forum. Take this forum, see how many Tesoro's are for sale compared to others...
It was something quite different but we won't discuss it here for , let me say "honorable" reasons.
Personally I don't think it's a big deal that he's gone, but either way Vince has his hands full. The metal detecting market is what it is, and the basic trends and demands from manufacturers is steadily growing and leaning more for TID, VDI, Tone ID, automated Ground Balance, and the necessary shift t the modern 'digital' technology. Tesoro has been way behind in this realm of the market, and it's not looking brighter.
It takes a few things to b a viable meta detector manufacturing business, such as providing model to capture a reasonable marker share, having the more educated and up-to-date engineering staff [size=small](and that means $$$)[/size], ample marketing [size=small](also means it takes $$$$)[/size], and a strong stocking Dealer base that will have and display and demo an array of the manufacturer's products [size=small](from lower-cost to higher-end ... and that can require $$$$)[/size], plus the employee power to work feverishly to produce a good volume of models to get out into dealers hands, who should sell them quickly into the market.
Will Tesoro be able o hang in there and grow back to the level they once were? It would be nice, and I wish Vince all the best to achieve this, ... but I have my concerns, and I don't see what a 'Cazador' will bring to the market that will excite the masses.
Monte
Personally I don't think it's a big deal that he's gone, but either way Vince has his hands full. The metal detecting market is what it is, and the basic trends and demands from manufacturers is steadily growing and leaning more for TID, VDI, Tone ID, automated Ground Balance, and the necessary shift t the modern 'digital' technology. Tesoro has been way behind in this realm of the market, and it's not looking brighter.
It takes a few things to b a viable meta detector manufacturing business, such as providing model to capture a reasonable marker share, having the more educated and up-to-date engineering staff [size=small](and that means $$$)[/size], ample marketing [size=small](also means it takes $$$$)[/size], and a strong stocking Dealer base that will have and display and demo an array of the manufacturer's products [size=small](from lower-cost to higher-end ... and that can require $$$$)[/size], plus the employee power to work feverishly to produce a good volume of models to get out into dealers hands, who should sell them quickly into the market.
Will Tesoro be able o hang in there and grow back to the level they once were? It would be nice, and I wish Vince all the best to achieve this, ... but I have my concerns, and I don't see what a 'Cazador' will bring to the market that will excite the masses.
Monte
atomicscott
Active member
Wow!! Coming from you, Monte, that is really saying ALOT. We will wait and see, but I believe you are right.Monte said:
If true, it would be a sad development.
While the technology has gotten splashier by becoming digitized, the actual advancements have been limited. TIDs and tones have their limitations, often severe limitations. Manufacturers are often repackaging existing technology in a new box with some minor tweaks, and many hobbyists slavishly fall for the advertising hoping for the same thing we all want: dig minimal trash and almost all good targets. The phiosopher's stone of metal detecting.
Problem is, that technology doesn't exist. Sure, people will brag, "Oh, I dig almost no trash now thanks to my 'Whozewhatzit 4000' and its super accurate target id!"
Yeah well, you may not be digging much trash, but do you have any idea how many good targets you're bypassing due to the limited ability of your great TID? Here's a hint: the answer is a lot.
Of course, suggesting such a thing will cause most heads to split open in rage. Which is understandable considering how much people pay for those high end TIDs.
And while the packaging is getting flashier, the quality of the construction on many detectors models I see are sliding significantly downward from what I saw in the 1990's. That is an undeniable shift, but considering the lifespan of the digital technology running detectors now, perhaps they are designed to fall apart at the same time the electronics start to break down. Hard to say at this point.
And then there is lonely little Tesoro, who never jumped on that band wagon and went on about their business because they knew much of what was being done was a lot of smoke and mirrors. Tesoro, who understood that the basics of the technology have not leapt forward in the last twenty years and that the best single key to find targets is to beep and dig usng as little discrimination as you can tolerate. Just like they were doing in the 60's and 70's. Of course, we can go deeper now than they could and our recovery periods are better, but the principals remain the same. Marketing departments hate to hear this, of course, but I tend to hate marketers anyway, so no problem on my end.
Of course, I also get told that "We're just looking for a little but more information to help us decide!" Funny how much information you get from that single tone on a Tesoro, once you've actually spent enough time to really learn the machine and not replace your detector every six months. I highly doubt any TID could tell you more. Some would argue otherwise. Go for it. Personal experience has taught me otherwise.
Can't fault Monty's analysis, but its a shame if he's right. It would mean Tesoro would fail for all the wrong reasons and the blame would rest squarely with us. We keep chasing rainbows it seems.
The best advancements in the last decade I can see is recovery speed and the use of multiple frequencies to cancel out the effects of salt water. If one wants to argue Tesoro needs to focus on those two advancements, then I can understand some basis there. But "give me a pretty screen with lots of icons" just doesn't hold much water with me. But maybe I'm in the minority. Probably. I usually am.
While the technology has gotten splashier by becoming digitized, the actual advancements have been limited. TIDs and tones have their limitations, often severe limitations. Manufacturers are often repackaging existing technology in a new box with some minor tweaks, and many hobbyists slavishly fall for the advertising hoping for the same thing we all want: dig minimal trash and almost all good targets. The phiosopher's stone of metal detecting.
Problem is, that technology doesn't exist. Sure, people will brag, "Oh, I dig almost no trash now thanks to my 'Whozewhatzit 4000' and its super accurate target id!"
Yeah well, you may not be digging much trash, but do you have any idea how many good targets you're bypassing due to the limited ability of your great TID? Here's a hint: the answer is a lot.
Of course, suggesting such a thing will cause most heads to split open in rage. Which is understandable considering how much people pay for those high end TIDs.
And while the packaging is getting flashier, the quality of the construction on many detectors models I see are sliding significantly downward from what I saw in the 1990's. That is an undeniable shift, but considering the lifespan of the digital technology running detectors now, perhaps they are designed to fall apart at the same time the electronics start to break down. Hard to say at this point.
And then there is lonely little Tesoro, who never jumped on that band wagon and went on about their business because they knew much of what was being done was a lot of smoke and mirrors. Tesoro, who understood that the basics of the technology have not leapt forward in the last twenty years and that the best single key to find targets is to beep and dig usng as little discrimination as you can tolerate. Just like they were doing in the 60's and 70's. Of course, we can go deeper now than they could and our recovery periods are better, but the principals remain the same. Marketing departments hate to hear this, of course, but I tend to hate marketers anyway, so no problem on my end.
Of course, I also get told that "We're just looking for a little but more information to help us decide!" Funny how much information you get from that single tone on a Tesoro, once you've actually spent enough time to really learn the machine and not replace your detector every six months. I highly doubt any TID could tell you more. Some would argue otherwise. Go for it. Personal experience has taught me otherwise.
Can't fault Monty's analysis, but its a shame if he's right. It would mean Tesoro would fail for all the wrong reasons and the blame would rest squarely with us. We keep chasing rainbows it seems.
The best advancements in the last decade I can see is recovery speed and the use of multiple frequencies to cancel out the effects of salt water. If one wants to argue Tesoro needs to focus on those two advancements, then I can understand some basis there. But "give me a pretty screen with lots of icons" just doesn't hold much water with me. But maybe I'm in the minority. Probably. I usually am.
I have two TID, VID detectors, other than doing the noise cancel then auto gb on one and just auto gbing on the other I can be up and running as fast as I can with the Cibola. If I have the discrimination set the same (set to find nickles up to quarters) by using tone and id I can find a coin in amongst the trash especially when they are right next to each other much much faster that I can by thumbing the disc knob back and forth on each signal and only listening to a single tone. Will the Cibola find it just as fast if I have it set to cherry pick copper pennies, dimes and quarters probably so as it does a fantastic job of discriminating out the trash. I know most of you say just dig everything, well if I tried doing that at the park I've been hunting it would take me hrs to just hunt a 20'X20" area. So yes I want Tesoro's next detector to be comparable to the two I already on. If it is and gets good reviews I'll more than likely trade my Omega in for it. If not well I have one Tesoro but when I get around to buying another machine it won't be from them.
WILL_PENNY
New member
CladDog said:
Personally its hard for me to sift through all that's been said in this and various other threads about this new machine and find any concrete facts regarding the specs.
I'll wait until I actually have a Caz in my hands before I render an opinion about the new machine or the economic health of the company.
All that will really matter to me personally is whether I actually like the Caz. All the rest is just details.
Cheers
I'll wait until I actually have a Caz in my hands before I render an opinion about the new machine or the economic health of the company.
All that will really matter to me personally is whether I actually like the Caz. All the rest is just details.
Cheers
Sven
Well-known member
bik-il said:
Don't even try........................at this point NO-One knows anything about the Caz besides the name and it might be a few months before it's out.
Everything mentioned is pure speculation. In the end it's all good, because it shows there's a lot of Tesoro fans interested in the new machine and
has kept this forum bouncing. If Nathan of Tesoro marketing is still working there and visits this forum, he will see there is a whole bunch of willing customers,
ready to fork over some cash..........................
I already spent my slush fund on a new camera outfit, still have a couple months to save up....................
reddirtfisher
New member
The longer I wait,...the more upset I am.
If the new Cazador isn't a really good machine,..then I think I am done with Tesoro. There have been a LOT of disappointments. Jack retires, James leaves, slow magazine production, no new accessories, no new pinpointer, no new detector models, dealers quitting Tesoro, and the new repair policy (just to name a few). Every time I point these things out, there is some *&^%$$ telling me that I complain too much. Really? Well, it's MY hard earned money at stake here. I agree with Monte,...it's not good and it doesn't look like it is getting better. 
There are tax returns going for other things even as I speak that would have gone into the new Caz, ...but we have gotten NO word on ANYTHING in a long time. So go ahead and call me a complainer. The facts speak for themselves.
I have been disappointed with how long it's taking Tesoro to release the Cazador or at least some information on it. It would be nice if it has the same idea as the Garrett atx Extremes telescoping pole. Tesoro took the time to ask us what we want in a detector, now all the company's know also. If you don't pet your dog it will leave. At least throw us a bone in the meantime time to let us know you care, lol.
TAB.HUNTER
New member
reddirtfisher said:
You mentioned a pinpointer. I have the Minelab and am quite happy with it. I was hoping Tesoro would come out with one, but it doesn't look like it will happen. I'm going to buy a new White's TRX. It has a lot of features that suit me. I am not brand specific but I do like stuff samo samo (EG: Tesoro detector, pin pointer & hat!). I've had money ready for another pin pointer for about 8 months. Tesoro missed a sale here. Point is, I need a gold detector soon. Temperatures are hitting 68 here in the high desert. There are many good choices out there including Tesoro. I've had the Lobo. It's great but I want certain features, and a lighter configuration. I'll wait about another month before popping for a new detector.
This is just a personal opinion. I have a few quirks; probably developed from the desert sun hitting my bald head. I'm a firm believer that a flat black finish will get me at least an inch or so over a Barney Purple finish, so do your own research!
I think the last thing Tesoro has on their mind is a pinpointer. A lot of people are waiting to see what their latest offering will be like...............if it's not steller..... they may lose a lot of customers. I have my money ready to go......they can have it.........but they must earn it... and the detector should be out ...soon!!! A Winter/December intro would really suck!