IMPACT and Testers

[Southwind]

I think of testers in many forms. Perhaps I should have realized since the Impact is in production these testers would be testing the possible production model for flaws. As a programmer there are various stages of testers. You have those who are used during the design stages, design testers, that would test the design and make recommendations for changes and improvements. And you have the functionality testers who test the design functions to look for flaws and improvements. Finally you have the pre-release testers who test the end product for final possible flaws and functionality.

If I may make one suggestion. At this stage you have a lot of potential buyers just waiting to see the results.. Myself included. Myself, and I believe many others, don't want to see so much of the Impact being taken to the local park and blah blah blah dig up a little clad and $200 detector can do. You want to impress and then sell a lot of units, have your testers take the Impact to some hard hit thought to be clean out sites and show us what the Impacts got. THese same old videos get so boring and can't even stand to watch most more than 10 minutes and I done.

If the Impact has what it takes then put it to video and you'll have all the support you'd ever need.

 

[amberjack]

a spot like I was at tonight where I plant my feet and swing see if I can pull a deep coin out of the iron from nail size up and bigger its hard work listening to every squeak but I was rewarded with several silver coins.

i am sure people have already made up their minds if they are buying it sounds like a good detector for someone who just wants one machine.

i haven't used one so i can not say what my experience is with a impact sure its a nice detector for those that need one

i do agree and you last longer than me 10 mins you did well i see people just diggin the hole no sound from the detector instant off from me, sound and shallow stuff 2 mins to see if it gets better, i am like you i want to hear it in iron crapola seems to be a shortage of those vids on most detectors..i am pretty sure i know why too..

AJ

 

[Sven]

Myself, and I believe many others, don't want to see so much of the Impact being taken to the local park and blah blah blah dig up a little clad and $200 detector can do.

Maybe but, there are a high percentage of users who do just park hunting and want an upper level unit, than a plain o'l $200 unit.
They want to make sure they don't miss anything within the 6-7" range, especially the gold missed by others. The Impact with its multiple features could be the edge needed to find the missed items. Then there's those buyers who do mainly park hunting and with the Impact with its capabilities could tempt them into other areas of detecting -beach, relic, etc. That they would not normally attempt with a $200 detector. The Impact gives the buyer the ability to become a detectorist of many facets. It appears it could be a detector one doesn't have to feel like they have to upgrade to something else every year..............

Many park, school yard, picnic ground hunter spent good money on buy a Tesoro Tejon with no intent on ever going relic hunting, they love it for coin and jewelry hunting.
So there's no reason some one who doesn't relic hunt can't own or should not purchase an Impact just to go coin and jewelry hunting. The Impact was built to fit into many hunting life styles.

 

[nalc472]

I like the 3 freqs. If U have ever used a V3i you know how great the 3 freqs can be using them separately. Helps sniff out gold and silver. Would like to see Kurt at the Hoover boys using the Impact but seems like he is using his old detectors.

 

[dbado1]

Kurt did a vid with the Impact. He stated that he was impressed with the machine. He's a no BS guy. I would enjoy another vid or two from him putting it through it's paces, which, wouldn't be good enough for the born skeptics and critics. Must suck being critical and skeptical of everything.

Dean

 

[DigDugNY]

Kurt did a vid with the Impact. He stated that he was impressed with the machine. He's a no BS guy. I would enjoy another vid or two from him putting it through it's paces, which, wouldn't be good enough for the born skeptics and critics. Must suck being critical and skeptical of everything.

Dean

Kurt did say that the impact will be featured in future episodes, but we have to remember his detecting videos are like a month or two behind so we wont see them for awile.

 

[UtahRich]

Tough crowd.

I look at a field tester as the one that takes the prototype out into the field, puts it to use and provides feedback to the designer who makes refinement to the product. It's a loop that continues to be worked until we arrive at a final product. Well, in this case, it isn't quite FINAL because software updates are available, or will be, thru the 'life' of the detector, much like the Deus.

It is up to me to use my own judgement to evaluate the feedback provided by the initial Field Testers (if I consider their feedback relevant to me), the home stretch testers, and any who subsequently make purchases and begin using the Impact as well. This isn't a NEW process. At some point, I have to look at the information that is available and decide if I BELIEVE the IMPACT will benefit my situation. If yes, GREAT, if not, move on.


Rich (Utah)

 

[amberjack]

baptism of fire crowd most of it tongue in cheek I am sure

yep sorting out the wheat from the chaff is a tough gig without using the detector....

I throw away 2 reviews on any product the one that says its without flaw and the one that says its a piece of crap and the truth for the most part lays somewhere in the middle of those views not always but 90% of the time the other 10% I think is gut feeling trust my intuition.

but as always life is a lesson about learning who I am and what I need that's hard enough without deciding what I think others may need although that maybe an easy task its never usually very productive in helping me in what I need.

AJ

 

[Sven]

And sometimes, when you are sitting on the fence deciding if a detector will work for you. The only way to really find out is to try one in person.

 

[amberjack]

...Yep

and its no fun sitting on a fence I usually end up with splinters in my a$$

AJ

 

[UtahRich]

Sven,

That's what it really boils down to. Try it in person. So much more difficult to do without a purchase these days.


Rich -

And sometimes, when you are sitting on the fence deciding if a detector will work for you. The only way to really find out is to try one in person.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

You want to impress and then sell a lot of units, have your testers take the Impact to some hard hit thought to be clean out sites and show us what the Impacts got.

Southwind this is not directed to you.

First off, I don't understand the bantering on here, it's ridiculousness is of epic proportions. Ask yourself why manufacturers don't post on forums.

Want to buy untested machines, there are plenty that will leak, have cracked faceplates, have major software bugs requiring one to send it to the manufacturer for software upgrades, etc.

That said, Southwinds mentioning of a machine that lights up your hard hit, hunted out sites, is exactly why I bought a Racer 2 after experiencing exactly that after trying the Red Racer. Makro was unheard of in the US when the Red Racer was released, but I took a chance and bought one (let's be honest, given its low price, it wasn't exactly a high risk). Well low and behold it worked (for me, and my sites) as advertised!!!!!

When the R2 came out, I took another chance, and was once again pleasantly surprised.

If you don't appreciate the field testers, or don't like the manufacturer, then move along, there's clearly nothing for you to see here. This is a hobby folks, hobbies are supposed to be fun.

HH,
-Cal

 

[doc holiday232]

All these cry babies sound like a bunch of DimoRats.

 

[amberjack]

where I come from they are called sh$t stirrers

not sure if any of those comments are aimed at me its ok if they are or aren't and I think if people read what I have written you will see I am selling Nokta detectors with the buy and try method

I will reiterate I understand company's need to test units before bringing them to market and again the only person who can best test my unit is me , I don't see why that's a problem for some people, sure I gather information as we live in the information age , but I am the tester of all testers there is none better than me, just as there is none better than you. and if I don't like what I am testing or it doesn't met my needs I am also the one who takes photos of the unit and recovers some of my funds and marks it down in the experience box.

or I love it keep it and use it and I make all these choices based on my testing nobody else's

if that is offensive then I am offensive

take it all in stride and decide if you want to be the best tester on the planet

I do want a 5% commission though on all sales from people who have decided they are the best tester on the planet and want to test the Impact

happy testing everyone.

AJ

 

[nalc472]

I find the best test is to follow behind me and my E-trac and if U find any silver it missed you have a damn good detector LOL

 

[amberjack]

that's great I love it

AJ

 

[steve herschbach]

Well I do agree this thread is dead.

I will add to the obviously blind indotguy, you want proof? Show me just one bad review on any detector by these testes? So you believe they are all great detectors? Yup, blind.

Nokta Detectors of course you are free to chose the testes who fit your needs, its only common practice. I'm just saying your not fooling everyone.

Good luck!

Did you ever read my review of the MX Sport Southwind? I have stopped posting on general forums but since you have chosen to toss me under the bus here I figured I would comment. I do actually pay for most of the machines I discuss, but that is beside the point really. I find it interesting that you think you are such an upright moral individual, but that others are so willing to sell their integrity for a cheap detector. It is so easy for people like you to hide behind your fake name and cast stones. The fact is I have been helping people with questions on the internet for over twenty years and have never asked anything in return. Further, I defy you or anyone to go back and find where I mislead anyone or where what I have said about machines was not true. Yeah, maybe I have offered an opinion on overall value that a person might take issue with, but we all have differences of opinion about what constitutes value in a detector and what is most important to us. The reality in my case at least is I only agree to work with quality manufacturers on quality units so it should come as no surprise they rarely are complete pieces of junk. In general they all have strengths and weakness and my goal always is to help people understand what those strengths and weaknesses might be. The last thing I ever worry about is irritating some manufacturer in case they won't like me anymore. If I am interested in a machine, I get it, plain and simple. I get the best deal on it I can, like anyone would. And if anyone wants to give me one, I am not going to say no except in rare cases. But all it buys is my time, not my opinions.

Anyway, because of commentary like yours I now longer discuss detectors anywhere but on my own website. You seem to feel that testers are forcing themselves on you by posting on these regular forums so I decided to just take that issue off the table. I really do hope you get more involved and post more reviews so you in turn can receive the sort of commentary you are so free to give out about others you have never met and do not know. No hard feelings though, best of luck to you in your detecting and life in general.

 

[Electricfrontporch]

Amidst all the negativity I'll say it's informative to read different folks experiences on newer machines.
I've learned lots from numerous posters regarding machines and metal detecting in general.
But I will happily say that since this soap opera started my Compadre has paid for it self again!
One day I'll get a multi tone VDI machine so thanks for the info and keep up the tests and reviews.

Also.....props to the Nokta rep for having the stones to comment on the forum and explain
their mindset and plans for dialing in new machines!

Noah

 

[amberjack]

there wasn't much else going on here so just entertaining ourselves till these hit the dirt.

just don't wait well do we

go the BIG C

AJ

 

[nalc472]

Some people want sports cars. Others big boats. We just want Metal detectors that go deeper than the last detector and to find all the items we missed the last 100 times we already detected the a site. It is like waiting for Christmas morning around here as a child (waiting on the new Nokta to arrive) . LOL