IMPACT and Testers

[sanjuro]

Oh you mean like the 18" quarter? Or perhaps the gold chain?

I'm not so much targeting the staged throw a coin in the hole, or nails next to coin cons, but the lack of a good reliable video showing a detectors capabilities.

I mean com'on how many of you hunt for a freshly buried modern coin at 8"? Why do you suppose we seldom see these testers show us how good or bad a detector is at some hunted hard site? Some old well hit fort or tot lot? My only suggestion is they suck at finding the stuff others missed. I've done several videos of new detectors for review. but I did them in the wild live and raw. It allows a potential buyer to make of their mind based on what they see and hear themselves not some staged dig like 90% of testers do.

I have no problems with most the testers other than the lame run of the mill hunt and review. Doesn't tell you squat about how that detector is going to fair in the wild.

Wow who did the 18'' quarter ?

 

[Indotguy]

I'm not one who blindly respects someone just because they "speak their mind". I've heard too much of that from people who didn't have a clue. Who I respect are those who stand up for the truth and can back it up with facts. I'm sorry but I do not see any evidence of that here. Just a lot of bluster and accusation and none of it helpful..

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Hello all!
With all due respect, I cannot understand why this discussion is still going on regarding the testers.
Have you read my post?
At this point, it seems like whoever we choose as a tester, there will be others complaining.
We picked 8 testers in the USA - and some of these names were suggested by the members – meaning you guys.
Now there are complaints again... so if Tom Dankowski, Monte, Keith Southern, Steve Herschbach and all the others are all biased, can you let me know who is qualified as a tester???
Whoever claims that it is them, then I am sure the others will say the same thing for you.

I will say this for the last time –

We send free test units to people around the world and we do this for 2 reasons ONLY:

1. We want our devices to be tested by certain individuals such as Tom D, Keith Southern, Steve Herschbach , Monte etc. ASSUMING that the detector community do respect their opinions and feedbacks.
2. We get the units tested on different grounds and environmental conditions to be able to offer end users around the world the most optimized and bug-free device.

We have never, at any point, ASKED or REQUESTED any of these testers to talk about the device on forums or any other social media as our sole purpose was to advance the detector based on their findings and that is how we ended up with revision v1.11 with the software!
Every one of them can vouch for this. The testers ARE not picked to advertise BUT to test the units and give us feedbacks! Whether they talk about the device on forums or not is their personal choice.

 

[Southwind]

Well I do agree this thread is dead.

I will add to the obviously blind indotguy, you want proof? Show me just one bad review on any detector by these testes? So you believe they are all great detectors? Yup, blind.

Nokta Detectors of course you are free to chose the testes who fit your needs, its only common practice. I'm just saying your not fooling everyone.

Good luck!

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Well I do agree this thread is dead.

I will add to the obviously blind indotguy, you want proof? Show me just one bad review on any detector by these testes? So you believe they are all great detectors? Yup, blind.

Nokta Detectors of course you are free to chose the testes who fit your needs, its only common practice. I'm just saying your not fooling everyone.

Good luck!

Southwind,
We are not here to fool anybody.
All we are trying to do is to get our devices tested by experienced users as our field testers cannot possibly stay in the USA for so many months and test the devices in different conditions.
You are totally free to appreciate this or not.
If we picked you or Mr X as a tester, I am sure that there would be others criticizing your or Mr X’s results or posts, too.
To be put in the middle like this as a manufacturer who has the best intentions for their customers is not fair but I guess this is expected when a company grows so fast in any industry.
Thank you for the good luck wishes but we never leave our success to luck.
That is why we try our best to come out with products that will speak for themselves.
Thank you!

 

[Monte]

n/t

 

[amberjack]

its been a learning curve for you guys I am sure (nokta/makro) in how metal detecting forums work and why most manufactures leave well enough alone and go on about their business of making detectors and do not publicize who does what where.

me personally as stated do my own testing as getting 2 detectorists to agree for the most part is like herding cats.

so for me coming here is a bit of fun nothing to serious and I take 99.9% of posts with the same credence as others take mine, every now and then I find a nugget but they are pretty rare....

so I wouldn't take none of this too seriously and hey there your detectors you can give them to who ever you so wish

absolutely none of my business unless you make it public knowledge.

sure everyone wishes you all the best with the new detector.

AJ

 

[thardin88]

Geez

 

[doc holiday232]

Somebody PLEASE send SouthWind something to test.

 

[Indotguy]

Somebody PLEASE send SouthWind something to test.

I have a Garrett Pinpointer duct taped to a stick I can send him?

 

[squirrel1]

Well let's look at this whole topic here in a practical sense.

Who tested MX Sport???
Not I..
Who tested the leaking CTX???
Not I..
Who tested the F75 DST upgrade??
Not I..
Who tested V3 model??
Not I..
This list gets longer I assure.

You see a pattern here,,,I don't ever remember reading where one person has publically admitted testing any of these,,or multiple person reporting tested.
And I don't classify a review as a test(er).

So where was all the hoopla??
I guess these mystery testers,,,since we don't know who they are "some folks" here can't complain,,can they???

Or is it some folks want the Impact clearly racked and stacked when comparing to other models detectors.
Like buy this one,,ditch this one.
This one is unworthy,,but his one here is.

I guarantee if folks will look around,,,a lot has been said about Impact by testers,,not gibberish either.

So,,folks clearly know more about it before official release,,,a whole lot more than we did with some others,,,,and some of these others cost more than Impact.

Not one tester that I have seen post anywhere including myself I don't think has told anyone to buy this detector.
Instead they have shared their thoughts,,some of their experiences,,and yes even in some cases some recommendations they actually made to manufacturer.

Over and out.

 

[amberjack]

I see a pattern those company's never hung their "testers" out to dry it was like a name & shame here I seen some "high profile names" getting tossed around none of whom impress me but then I see past the smoke and mirrors of advertising but many get star struck I am sure.

but hey each to their own for me this whole debacle started 18 months ago when kellyco went off half loaded and its never recovered.

but its been entertaining so all was not lost...

AJ

 

[doc holiday232]

Somebody PLEASE send SouthWind something to test.

I have a Garrett Pinpointer duct taped to a stick I can send him?

ONLY if you get a statement signed in blood that the reported results will be the Truth,the Whole Truth,and nuttin' but the TRUFF.

 

[Southwind]

I wouldn't want to test anything because I would not kiss up on my results. I call it like I see it. Not the quality for a tester.

The tester's motto: Where never is hear, a discouraging word. LOL

I mean its not like we ever see detectors hit the market with problems the tester's missed. You ever seen those posts saying "Did you guys even test these things."?

Don't get me wrong I understand you're in the business to make money selling metal detector and or accessories. I've just been BS'd too many times by the same old tester's who wear the brown noses that cost me in the end. Am I bitter? Yeah I am. I work hard for my money.

It should be honesty before loyalty. Its not. That is how tester's are chosen in my opinion.

Now tester's reporting back to manufacturers is a different ballgame. I'm sure they do a good job. It is reviews to the public I am referring to.

 

[squirrel1]

I wouldn't want to test anything because I would not kiss up on my results. I call it like I see it. Not the quality for a tester.

The tester's motto: Where never is hear, a discouraging word. LOL

I mean its not like we ever see detectors hit the market with problems the tester's missed. You ever seen those posts saying "Did you guys even test these things."?

Don't get me wrong I understand you're in the business to make money selling metal detector and or accessories. I've just been BS'd too many times by the same old tester's who wear the brown noses that cost me in the end. Am I bitter? Yeah I am. I work hard for my money.

It should be honesty before loyalty. Its not. That is how tester's are chosen in my opinion.

Now tester's reporting back to manufacturers is a different ballgame. I'm sure they do a good job. It is reviews to the public I am referring to.

You know,,you act like everything you have ever spent a plug nickle on,,,you knew everything about beforehand,,,like cars,,rods and reels,,metal detectors,,micro wave ovens,,even a roll of toilet paper.

Testers are human too.
You have never overlooked anything in your life ??

The more testers the merrier,,,I don't think any tester deliberately tries to do a poor job.

You want to live in a perfect world,,I highly encourage you to get out of metal detecting-PERIOD.

 

[woodchiphustler]

I feel fortunate to test this model.

 

[CCadrin]

Looking at some of the comments, it appears people don't understand the role of the tester. There goal is to look for problems and report on the issues. Nokta then made the appropriate adjustments and the testers try it again to see if the problem reported was less troublesome. It takes experience to find these little nuances and suggest what can be improved. Eventually the product is better. Is it the best? That is for the end user to determine if it works for them in their environment. All environments and parks are different. I've tried some the best detectors and they failed in my own yard. So far there are only two detectors that can VDI all my buried coins. One is the CTX and the other was a Nokta Fors Core with the big coil. The F75, the Racer 2, AT Pro and a few others did not do as good as the first two.

One of the main reasons why I ordered the Impact is not what it will do out of the box, but what it will do with software updates as problems are resolved and fine tuning of the software take place. Even today, a friend talked about how the Deus 4.0 is so much better then the 3.2 he was using.

 

[nalc472]

What I have read about the CTX is great but they have not done software updates as promised. Therefore, I cannot buy such a product. I will buy a Impact when I have the money. I agree about wanting to buy a detector that has updates and support to make it the best it can be. Great job so far Nokta.

 

[Southwind]

Looking at some of the comments, it appears people don't understand the role of the tester.

Wouldn't it depend on the stage of a device? For example a tester would, I would think, also make suggestions as to improvements or ideas that would improve on a device. I would say as an example the pinpoint on a detector. Some have a button you press and must hold while other have chosen to allow the user to press a button and put the detector in pinpoint mode. Was that decision made by the designer, which is very possible, or a suggestion by the tester, also very possible. I would think the tester would be able to make the better choice. In this case the tester is not just testing a predetermined option but having an input in to the actual functionality and design..

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Looking at some of the comments, it appears people don't understand the role of the tester.

Wouldn't it depend on the stage of a device? For example a tester would, I would think, also make suggestions as to improvements or ideas that would improve on a device. I would say as an example the pinpoint on a detector. Some have a button you press and must hold while other have chosen to allow the user to press a button and put the detector in pinpoint mode. Was that decision made by the designer, which is very possible, or a suggestion by the tester, also very possible. I would think the tester would be able to make the better choice. In this case the tester is not just testing a predetermined option but having an input in to the actual functionality and design..

And this is exactly how we wrapped up the Impact - with suggestions that came from the testers.
Handle, cable, lower shaft designs were changed and we had 11 version updates on the software side.