Cant argue with that jasonpaz1. Wife don't release funds very often so I must have a great argument to spend any of my money on a new detector. In my wife's defense she surprised me 2 christmas's ago with a new E-trac. I was in shock. maybe she will by me an impact this Christmas.
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IMPACT and Testers
- Thread starter Nokta Detectors
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Southwind
Well-known member
Personally I'd like to see a company with the balls to send a their new machine to testers who are not your typical yes men. If the new machine is a POS I'd like to know. Not some lame job of pointing out the only good they can find and refuse to give a straight forward it's a POS and this is why type tester. Giving a free detector to some *cough* tester who has never given a bad review even to the biggest POS machine does not instill confidence in the current testers reviews. Not in my opinion anyway.
You want real feedback or some lame long winded skip around the truth? You won't get the real deal from the hand fed testers everyone seems to use due to their knack of playing nice with the manufacturer.
I've ended up with more than one POS machine that the "testers" gave BS reviews on. But hey, whatever sells detectors right!
You want real feedback or some lame long winded skip around the truth? You won't get the real deal from the hand fed testers everyone seems to use due to their knack of playing nice with the manufacturer.
I've ended up with more than one POS machine that the "testers" gave BS reviews on. But hey, whatever sells detectors right!
this is the reason minelab/Tesoro etc.. do all their R&D with no forum presence they just release a detector either people buy it or they don't...
Nokta & Makro are trying to grab a foothold in the market and that's a good strategy to be hands on for now..
but from where I am sitting its time to back off and let your detectors do the talking metal detectorists are some of the harshest customers in any field and I will not go in to the psychology of why that's true but I think we are seeing a pattern emerge that over time is going to turn around and bite this company in the butt.
it goes something like don't let the lunatic's run the asylum...
AJ
Nokta & Makro are trying to grab a foothold in the market and that's a good strategy to be hands on for now..
but from where I am sitting its time to back off and let your detectors do the talking metal detectorists are some of the harshest customers in any field and I will not go in to the psychology of why that's true but I think we are seeing a pattern emerge that over time is going to turn around and bite this company in the butt.
it goes something like don't let the lunatic's run the asylum...
AJ
Aren't people funny? They complain about companies that don't listen to their customers and then become suspicious and paranoid about the ones that do. It pays to be skeptical but it is not healthy to see conspiracy under every rock. I like what I hear and see about the Impact but I will wait and see.
I think in an ideal world and this what I would do is read forums and do the best I can to please the most never going to please everyone and I don't need to interact with them that's asking for trouble in my book.
I do not care what happens its just a study in human behaviour for me and I add some to the experiment
time will tell how it unfolds
AJ
I do not care what happens its just a study in human behaviour for me and I add some to the experiment
time will tell how it unfolds
AJ
I know what I want a detected park gold hunter with an expanded gold range 100-150 points from end of iron to the start of zinc with to make it cheap blocks of 10 each with a tone of its own and from zinc up 40 or 50 points that I can notch out again blocks of 10 own tone for each block. each block can be disced out or in/
running at 12 kHz here's the platform the fisher F44 with the gold range expanded out as per above.
weather proof and light at 2.3 pounds, back light basically let me at that platform to make it as per above. with working coils from 4" to 7"-8" and a clean sweep would be nice but not a must both DD & concentric coils.
there is no product like this on the market.
that's what I want.
point is if we keep listing to the same people we are going to keep getting the same tools..
sure these people know what they want and that's great but its not what I need. I have to make do with what those who know think is best for me bout sick of it really.
AJ
running at 12 kHz here's the platform the fisher F44 with the gold range expanded out as per above.
weather proof and light at 2.3 pounds, back light basically let me at that platform to make it as per above. with working coils from 4" to 7"-8" and a clean sweep would be nice but not a must both DD & concentric coils.
there is no product like this on the market.
that's what I want.
point is if we keep listing to the same people we are going to keep getting the same tools..
sure these people know what they want and that's great but its not what I need. I have to make do with what those who know think is best for me bout sick of it really.
AJ
Southwind
Well-known member
Don't take my comments wrong squirrel I love my Racer 2. I'm just pointing out that passing out a new machine to the typical "Oh it's the greatest thing since sliced bread" testers just gets old and so predictable. Makro/Nokta talks a big line about honesty and wanting to make their users happy, but I really don't put a lot of weight in the commonly chosen testers just because we already know we're going to get a half-baked review. You may see the occasional "I would prefer blah blah blah but it's still the greatest detector in its range." I want a review I can trust to be not geared just to keep the manufacturer happy, but to make the user happy. If its a POS I want a tester to feel able to say its a POS. Lord knows you want the truth as much as we do.
Southwind said:
Understand,
I've never said it was greatest thing since sliced bread.
You need to be making these same kinda posts in the other brands of detectors section here too.
Why??? Cause they are currently designing and making detectors too,,,only difference here,,you know Impact is coming.
DiggerDanbo
New member
Have you ever considered sending a test detector to someone new to the hobby. I have the time to test and I am sure that many "Newbies" would be interested in how a first timer would take to any new machine. Just wondering out loud!
Thanks
Thanks
Southwind
Well-known member
Sorry I was referring to the reviews of the standard tester.
Understand, I have!
If you care to look you'll see I have posed the same question to ALL detector manufacturers who make the claim about their testers. The same old "Oh I like the way it feels" or The balance is a lot better than I expected" as being their idea of a fair review because the detector performance sux? Give me a break. That may fool the newbies, and maybe that's your goal, but not the Seasoned user. Which should be your target as most Newbies ask for guidance from the seasoned hunters.
Of course I never expected Garrett or Minelab to care what people thought about their testers as long as the good reviews fool people in to buying their goods. Makro/Nokta have made a different claim that they "Listen to their customers" I can't speak for anyone else, but it just looks like business as usual to me. Try a tester with some balls that the users know will call it for what it is then you can call your company unique.
Again I say I have no beef with Nokta and feel they do make great detectors. My beef is with the use of typical testers who really do little more than play salesman for the manufacturers. No offence testers you're just doing what the manufacture wants. And in return you get free detectors to try. Can't blame you there.
DiggerDanbo has a good example. Sending a new machine to a new user and let them give an honest review. Imagine the value such a honest review would have toward other new users. The same can be said for the seasoned users as well. What good is a review if it never reflects a good honest perspective be it good or bad? They always are good. A convenient arrangement I'd call it.
Southwind said:
I have never been a tester before period for any manufacturer.
So now yes for Nokta and the Impact.
The manufacturer has not bridled me in any way as far as talking about this detector.
I just tell it like it is.
Actually,,if the manufacturer directs,,,for example for me to send my unit to say a dealer inside USA,,, to be a demo unit.
I will do,,even at my own expenses.
This just how I feel about this.
I am retired,,enjoy detecting,,,love to test units,,even my own I have bought.
I am critical of these other units too.
I just get tired of all the smirks and such,,,about this or that.
We sure don't live in a perfect world.
And engineering, designing,,and manufacturing a detector,,,,is a complicated process-- to make a good unit.
I think Nokta's approach here is very good,,,definitely different,,,maybe this is the reason for what I see folks posting.
I can start listing all the horror stories,,,involving other detector models.
Won't do that here, but folks should not have amnesia here either,,,on what has happened in the past. And I'm not talking about physical problems with detectors either.
Each and every detector released could have a problem
Whichever manufacturer is using the better methods while testing a detector model before release,,,,if I were going to make a wager,,,,I would be betting on this same manufacturer.
Southwind
Well-known member
Agreed 100% squirrel1
I'd just bet a vast majority, silent majority, would like to see some real tests. I don't care about some guy who cuts a plug at different depths and throws in a coin. I don't care about the technical jargon, that servers more to confuse than explain, about why this detector is good. I want to see it used at some worked out park in a live hunt. I want to see it pull some goods out of an old Fort site full of rusty nails. I want to see it find a gold necklace in a tot lot that has been hunted to death. Then I'll get excited about the possibilities and buy one for myself to try. I realize not all detectors will perform the same in my soil, but I'd like to see that there is truly that possibility.
I'd just bet a vast majority, silent majority, would like to see some real tests. I don't care about some guy who cuts a plug at different depths and throws in a coin. I don't care about the technical jargon, that servers more to confuse than explain, about why this detector is good. I want to see it used at some worked out park in a live hunt. I want to see it pull some goods out of an old Fort site full of rusty nails. I want to see it find a gold necklace in a tot lot that has been hunted to death. Then I'll get excited about the possibilities and buy one for myself to try. I realize not all detectors will perform the same in my soil, but I'd like to see that there is truly that possibility.
Southwind said:
The old fort site with rusty nails,,,,I have used Impact in such a site,,,,this is one of my detector proving grounds sites.
Very good performance using Impact.
I haven't used the mid sized coil,,I don't have one,,,,but if it performs similar to the other coils ,,,,,will be nice to have.
Audio is there for some serious separation and unmasking,,,have been putting up against Deus 3.2 version,,,Impact can definitely hold it own even using stock sized oil,,,using the smallest coil,,,can even surpass Deus and other detectors wearing smaller coils.
Detecting scenario needs to be met though for Impact to excel vs some other detectrors,,,but I've seen.
Racer series are nice in iron,,,well Impact even better,,,,more smooth in the iron too,,using 20khz.
Smoother tha the Nokta relic too--- and don't ever discount this detector either.
Notka Relic detector,,,very hard detector to hunt behind and make finds,,,using Deus 3.2 and Impact.
Now you notice I say Deus 3.2.... This is because I haven't compared 4:0 version yet due to recent release.
Comparing on a 9" dime,,,you definitely have a better idea what's under your coil using Impact vs Deus.
I have not used Impact in tot lots,,but based on my use,,what it is capable of finding size wise,,lower conductive wise,,,I think it will be a tot lot killer. Any iron in the tot lot,,smaller specks of ferrous materials,,,Impact will perform.