I'm quite pleased I have my Tesoro's, and Guvner's name

[Monte]

for this Forum [size=small](hopefully only temporary)[/size] is really quite fitting as far as I'm concerned.

Tesoro is alive and doing okay. I just spoke with them Monday morning and their detector making division is doing fine. The marketing and advertisement folks, however, just might need a little encouragement from loyal Tesoro users. They are the ones who know if a desired fee for marketing fits their interests, and while I personally enjoy the Tesoro Forum participation we've had here at Findmall, it's not my business, nor my judgment call, on how to apportion marketing funds.

So, if you like your Tesoro's as much as I like mine, and if you would like to help support Tesoro Electronics, Inc., then give them a call or shoot them an e-mail and express your feelings about the Tesoro product line and how much you enjoy [size=small](or have enjoyed)[/size] the Tesoro-related discussions on the Findmall Forum ... and let them know you would like them to reconsider their decision to not support their own banner here. Do that instead of keep adding to Guvner's thread and guessing if this is a sign of the end for Tesoro.

Besides, when you really think of any good Tesoro model, for me it means a reliable detector for Relic Hunting applications as well as general Metal Detecting needs for most typical urban-type Coin & Jewelry Hunting applications. It was a Tesoro model [size=small](the Inca)[/size], back in July of '83, that really sparked my enthusiasm for working all the ghost towns I have enjoyed hunting since '69, and their quick-response and fast-recovery has also rewarded me with some impressive amounts of coins and silver & gold jewelry that has been unmatched my most of the competition.

I'm just glad I have my all-time favorite Tesoro models in my personal detector arsenal, and as time progresses, be there a specific Tesoro bannered Forum or not, I'll continue to add my comments and support to those who use some of the more reliable detectors on the market.

Monte

 

[Mega]

Monte,you are possibly one of the most knowledgeable detectorist regarding all the Tesoro range and the very interesting information that you provide,like yourself i do own a few TesoroLaser machines,but i will highlight the fact that these are getting used less and less these days infact 3 of my 4 are just gathering dust.

But in the last say 2 years you are using the Tesoro range less as well,as you are mainly using the Nokta/Makro range infact they have basically taken over as your everyday use machine.

Its all well and good highlighting how good Tesoro are and still alive and kicking but they appear from observations that your main allegiance is with Nokta/Makro and you mainly post on those respective threads on Findsmall and rarely post on what was the dedicated Tesoro forum,please note i am not knocking you or Tesoro or anything like that but just from observations from what you post these days.So folks do shift allegiance and the reason i guess is other detector manufactures produce machines that folks want,rather than a trip down memory lane from machines produced in say 1986 etc.

Its great news from the horses mouth that everything is fine and dandy at Tesoro,but if i am honest i still dont think things are 100% as what we are lead to belief,i hope i am wrong of course but i am free to voice my opinion.

Thanks for the Tesoro update and may they carry on producing machines for years too come.

 

[Dave J.]

No point in me begging Tesoro, so I'll just parse Monte arf by adding to the Guv's thread instead.

I'd hate to see the Tesoro forum disappear, and I work for a competitor! It's one of the most active forums on the site. Because of my prior association with Tesoro I occasionally post here myself-- not to bash Tesoro or its products, but to contribute to the conversation. I respect Tesoro products, regard the Tesoro company as good for the industry as a whole, and would be very disappointed were they to disappear.

I don't know what the deal has been behind Tesoro's longstanding inattention to this forum, but I really do hope that something gets worked out.

 

[marcomo]

Tellingly, Tesoro appears to be the only manufacturer of any note who doesn't deem this forum worthy of marketing funds.

You can choose to believe Tesoro's words or their actions. They don't tell the same story.

Anyone buying a new Tesoro would be well advised to do it with their eyes wide open. A lifetime warranty is only good if the company is around to honor it.

 

[Hombre]

Tellingly, Tesoro appears to be the only manufacturer of any note who doesn't deem this forum worthy of marketing funds.




What about the Nautilus Forum? I'm sure they don't pay the Gov......

 

[amberjack]

its interesting to see peoples reactions to the loss of a forum name, neither good or bad just how it is.

I like my Tesoro's but the company not so much and that's my bee no one else's and I am allowed to have it.

where I live Tesoro's are pretty much worthless but then so are most detectors minelab continue to drop prices and its just a sign of the economic times and dwindling finds here and more detectors after them the market is dying in the coin/relic area.

so yeah maybe in other lands things are strong but not here and I like above look that actions speak louder than words or lack there of and its ok to smile and say I am fine as to admit things are not so flash is the 1st step in to the abyss of reality.

I also do not want to see Tesoro Die but I am not loyal to them or any brand I use what works for me I do not care what name it has on it as long as it does what I want it too.

so I wish Tesoro well and I will continue to use my detectors with a Tesoro name on them and I do own them not Tesoro

anyway times will always bring change that's how life is.

AJ

 

[walnut]

AJ You say bad economic times down there? Bad resale values on detectors?

 

[amberjack]

yep, and minelab dropping the price of new detectors all the time they cant sell them.

AJ

 

[lytle78]

The whole industry is hurting.

A few non EU European new players are picking up by price cutting, the Turks, for example ahve their costs in Turkish lire, a currency which has depreciated heavily against the US $.

Minelab finally caught on that the real money for detector makers was in the mass market - inexpensive detectors which work fine and have low prices - these sell in vast numbers and end up in the closet soon after purchase. Unfortunately for ML, their Go Find series has turned out to be a total flop.

Nothing will change until a new detecting technology changes radically how detectors perform.

 

[TN Mike]

I'm guessing its the continual negativity on this forum that's managed get Tesoro to drop its subscription.

Tesoro detectors are what they are. If they decide not to release a new machine for 5 more years it doesn't matter.. The machines they have on the market are doing well enough that they are still in business. Anyone who's used any of these machines, knows they really are great. They will sell on the basis of this fact.

If I were responsible for marketing and lurked in these forums...saw every couple days a post about how my company was going under because we don't produce a machine that has the bells and whistles to compete with some other company..I'd be rethinking my subscription here too.

Nothing will change until a new detecting technology changes radically how detectors perform.

And to think that the despite all the current technology. the basic principles of how a metal detector works have been the same for over 100 years.

 

[Dave J.]

And to think that the despite all the current technology. the basic principles of how a metal detector works have been the same for over 100 years.

The uninformed may snicker, presuming TN Mike to be full of horsepukkies on that one. But it's true. The phase discriminating VLF induction balance was patented in the late 1800's. It was a benchtop unit for detecting counterfeit coins and used a mechanical commutator for demodulation.

 

[Walknstik]

Part of me thinks Tesoro (for whatever reason) hasn't really been pleased with their past experiences on social media These days it appears Tesoro quit participating thru social media for the most part and in doing so they sort of fueled the negativity by not responding. I think TN Mike made some accurate statements regarding Tesoro. In the past the only tools we had to research metal detectors were books, magazines and dealers which is how most of us learned about Tesoros. Todays media is largely the internet (like it or not) and hopefully this next generation of detectorists will be swinging some Tesoros that they learned about thru the internet forums! That old saying "you can't believe everything you read on the internet"...how very true but it's the media of the future and to stay in the game looks like you would have to participate from time to time. Best of luck to Tesoro in the future

 

[amberjack]

And to think that the despite all the current technology. the basic principles of how a metal detector works have been the same for over 100 years.

The uninformed may snicker, presuming TN Mike to be full of horsepukkies on that one. But it's true. The phase discriminating VLF induction balance was patented in the late 1800's. It was a benchtop unit for detecting counterfeit coins and used a mechanical commutator for demodulation.

when was the 1st combustion engine made same principle as used today but I think we all know which car will win the race but really having said that it too is out dated and old we humans think we are pretty smart but 200 years ago we were walking around with candles and ridding horses died from things that are easy to treat today my point is what's it really going to be like in another 200 years at the same rate of change, what about 1000 years stuff we are doing today will look like cave art.

its all about perspective isn't it.

AJ

 

[amberjack]

Part of me thinks Tesoro (for whatever reason) hasn't really been pleased with their past experiences on social media These days it appears Tesoro quit participating thru social media for the most part and in doing so they sort of fueled the negativity by not responding. I think TN Mike made some accurate statements regarding Tesoro. In the past the only tools we had to research metal detectors were books, magazines and dealers which is how most of us learned about Tesoros. Todays media is largely the internet (like it or not) and hopefully this next generation of detectorists will be swinging some Tesoros that they learned about thru the internet forums! That old saying "you can't believe everything you read on the internet"...how very true but it's the media of the future and to stay in the game looks like you would have to participate from time to time. Best of luck to Tesoro in the future

we have had this and that age you know stone age ice age, we now live in the information age (granted a lot of it is carp) but that's the age we live in even my old Dad gets on Facebook and he is in his 80's so what's Tesoro's excuse ??

I know they live in the Tesoro age very few have ever even seen it even less have experienced it and for those that do venture in very few have ever been seen again.

AJ

 

[wheatymike]

Part of me thinks Tesoro (for whatever reason) hasn't really been pleased with their past experiences on social media These days it appears Tesoro quit participating thru social media for the most part and in doing so they sort of fueled the negativity by not responding. I think TN Mike made some accurate statements regarding Tesoro. In the past the only tools we had to research metal detectors were books, magazines and dealers which is how most of us learned about Tesoros. Todays media is largely the internet (like it or not) and hopefully this next generation of detectorists will be swinging some Tesoros that they learned about thru the internet forums! That old saying "you can't believe everything you read on the internet"...how very true but it's the media of the future and to stay in the game looks like you would have to participate from time to time. Best of luck to Tesoro in the future

we have had this and that age you know stone age ice age, we now live in the information age (granted a lot of it is carp) but that's the age we live in even my old Dad gets on Facebook and he is in his 80's so what's Tesoro's excuse ??

I know they live in the Tesoro age very few have ever even seen it even less have experienced it and for those that do venture in very few have ever been seen again.

AJ

I still don't understand why the Tesoro Forum was deleted. Because they didn't renew their add??? There are other manufactures that don't have a add on here and they still have a forum??? I have yet to get an answer to this. Maybe some mod will enlighten us on this. I will restate my question. Do the manufactures pay for the right to have a forum? I think they are doing a disservice to the users of this forum and at the same time shooting their self in the foot. Tesoro had a lot of traffic. Now what?? I guess we will all have to move some were else on the WWW?? Big Big world out there.

 

[Jornard]

I found my first old coin with a borrowed tesoro conquistador , and that's what got me hooked on this great hobby . I currently own two tesoro detectors , and have made many good finds with both . How the company wishes to market their merchandise is their business , but it would seem in their best interest to at least respond to the concerns of their loyal followers on forums such as this . There are a lot of things I dislike about social media , but it is part of today's world and how most people get their news and stay in touch. Good news or bad , someone from tesoro should chime in and dispel or affirm the rumors , or the negative comments will continue to get worse . The folks at tesoro always answer the phone when I call with a question or concern about my detectors , and have been nothing but wonderful to deal with . Why not give us a post or two on the net ??

 

[amberjack]

Part of me thinks Tesoro (for whatever reason) hasn't really been pleased with their past experiences on social media These days it appears Tesoro quit participating thru social media for the most part and in doing so they sort of fueled the negativity by not responding. I think TN Mike made some accurate statements regarding Tesoro. In the past the only tools we had to research metal detectors were books, magazines and dealers which is how most of us learned about Tesoros. Todays media is largely the internet (like it or not) and hopefully this next generation of detectorists will be swinging some Tesoros that they learned about thru the internet forums! That old saying "you can't believe everything you read on the internet"...how very true but it's the media of the future and to stay in the game looks like you would have to participate from time to time. Best of luck to Tesoro in the future

we have had this and that age you know stone age ice age, we now live in the information age (granted a lot of it is carp) but that's the age we live in even my old Dad gets on Facebook and he is in his 80's so what's Tesoro's excuse ??

I know they live in the Tesoro age very few have ever even seen it even less have experienced it and for those that do venture in very few have ever been seen again.

AJ

I still don't understand why the Tesoro Forum was deleted. Because they didn't renew their add??? There are other manufactures that don't have a add on here and they still have a forum??? I have yet to get an answer to this. Maybe some mod will enlighten us on this. I will restate my question. Do the manufactures pay for the right to have a forum? I think they are doing a disservice to the users of this forum and at the same time shooting their self in the foot. Tesoro had a lot of traffic. Now what?? I guess we will all have to move some were else on the WWW?? Big Big world out there.

I do not care who does what.

but the simple answer is other company's pay for their forums here and click banners and so for a current company not to pay while others do would see a few bad business moves on findmalls part so basically they have no choice or make it free for the company's and charge us a yearly fee. someone has to pay for the bandwidth and well I am not going to and I am sure you don't want to either so they sell ad's to detector company's so we can come here and chat and Tesoro have chosen not to pay for their ad so they got no ad.

only reason I would say any of this is here in the Tesoro part is it would be a shame to throw it away, so guess we are lucky hey !!

AJ

 

[REVIER]

I still don't understand why the Tesoro Forum was deleted. Because they didn't renew their add??? There are other shooting their self in the foot. Tesoro had a lot of traffic. Now what?? I guess we will all have to move some were .

Technically it has not really been deleted...just renamed.
So far.

All the threads are still here, we can still post about this brand and our finds and insights in one place like before if we want.
If you Google Tejon, Vaquero,Tesoro and most other words connected to this company plus the words Findmall or finds forum or other combination this site still pops up in one of the top positions, it even still says Tesoro forum on the links and if you click on it you still come right here.

Most of us have found this out already, the name change is spreading on other forums, newbies can easily find out about it if they ask and as soon as the hubbub dies down about what happened we can all get back to normal and just talk about our detectors.
Using my Fishers I talk and post about them all the time on other forums but the high volume and sharing of information about settings and techniques, even though there are others, I believe this one here is one of the most responsive or at least I usually learn when I come here.
Personally I have recruited several new Fisher users to come here and become members because I think the learning curve with a new detector can be shortened by joining in, taking some advice and reading...and a few of them never even knew this website existed.
I am happy to do the same for Tesoro users.

Most should be able to find their way around here, if they are new and posting in other sub-forums they can readily be directed here by others.
If you are concerned about Tesoro suffering by this change in their media money allotment don't be...it is early and they don't appear to be suffering at this point or I should say it appears their status quo is just the same as it was two weeks ago or last month except for this change.
As to their amount of concern they have about it all I can only guess.
If you want to move to another place to discuss this company and their fine products go ahead, it is a big worldwide web after all but it seems kinda strange to leave here completely if you like it here and get something out of the experience considering you know about this renamed forum and what is going on in it.

We are here in this forum by the good grace of the Guv....he can wipe it out any time he wants to and he might but I hope he doesn't.
I was in business, for an existing company to receive the benefits of a click through link and a specific targeted forum with their name as they initially agreed without paying for it as per the rules of this forum and as others still do then guess what...things change.
They did and I agree with it.
Why they did it who really knows, lots of speculation running around all over the web but in truth there is no proven facts about anything.
Maybe they will come back maybe they won't.
Maybe they are on the brink, maybe they are perfectly flush, time will tell.

In my retail life I advertised in newspapers, magazines, radio, tv and more...as nice as a person as I am, as well as I paid my bills previously and they were all in a timely matter also not one of them ever actually offered me any free ads.
Other forums are here without sponsorship, the Nautilus forum for one but since that company is not around anymore naming it does nothing but direct people here and no company is getting any free ads or income off those ads so nobody is being taken advantage of.
The Guv doesn't have to keep this Nautilus forum here but he does so good for him.

Most websites aren't free to get up and keep running so they do different things for income to offset these costs.
You want hang around and play by the rules...play, you want to take your ball and go home or somewhe else it is a free country and always an option for both sponsors and members alike.
To each his own.

 

[Sven]

I'm guessing its the continual negativity on this forum that's managed get Tesoro to drop its subscription.

But, if memory serves me correctly, the Tesoro forum was one big happy gathering place with no negativity until:
Tesoro decided to play the name the new detector game and you know the rest of the story.

 

[amberjack]

I'm guessing its the continual negativity on this forum that's managed get Tesoro to drop its subscription.

But, if memory serves me correctly, the Tesoro forum was one big happy gathering place with no negativity until:
Tesoro decided to play the name the new detector game and you know the rest of the story.

agree they started it then blame us there's another look in to how they think.

AJ