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F75 vs LTD field tested differences
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BuckeyeBrad
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I like my LTD. Still tweaking to see all it can do. Lot's of capacity in this machine and I haven't even used other coils on it yet. Mine paid for itself the first week and everything else is gravy now. Made the hobby new again for me and I've been at it since 71'. Good Luck, Happy New Year everyone. Remember it's all about having fun, and finding treasure, whatever that treasure may be.
BuckeyeBrad
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however, the ways you finally got around to simply asking it led to the "sensitivity" you encountered IMO. You played the skeptic card up front and low and behold, you were to replied to with skepticism. I'd suggest you ask one of the design engineers at FT. Providing they don't consider it proprietary info, I suspect they'd be glad to share it. So armed with an answer, would you be buying an LTD for yourself or are you just kickin' tires?
Jeb, I understand that you are not 'denouncing' it, but I have to wonder what difference it makes to you whether they call it a signal enhancer, boost, gain boost, or any other name. The point is, whatever they call it, that it does make a difference in detector capability. The F75 is good, but under some circumstances, the F75 LTD is better, when it can detect a target using "boost", that otherwise cannot be detected. End of story as far as I am concerned.
I think the way Bill-De says it is much the way most of us LTD users feel, Jeb. There simply is no way to prove to you that the LTD may get a bit more depth in the bp mode over the de mode, although I personally feel it does, but I do know the bp mode has accounted for 2 very deep targets for me that in the de mode it wouldn't have. Deeper, boosted, enhanced??? I really don't care. I added two good targets to my pocket that I other wise would not have. And, that is good enough for me. HH jim tn
Truth is Brad. I live in the UK,and we cannot readily get the LTD over here because the Fisher Main agent won`t import the LTD because he feels that the `extra` expense asked for the LTD over the anniversary would not be enough to warrant importing them. So in the UK we have no LTD to be able to buy.
The only way i could get my hands on one would be to import the LTD myself which would end up much more expensive .
You get the Fishers a LOT cheaper than we do for starters. We have to pay import tax and other taxes. So that is thinned out a little when a Dealer gets around 50 or a few hundred at a time what ever the amount is. So if i wanted a LTD i`d probably end up paying around 20% or more than you do . Which is quite a considerable amount of money.You pay say $1200 for a LTD we`d pay somewhere in the region of $1500 for the same detector bythe time I`ve paid carriage ,and import dutys.
SO! what i`m asking in reality is the LTD worth me importing the LTD maybe.?
And before anyone rushes to spend my money and say "yes" ! don`t forget, i HAVE TO think of the sell able side too, on the basis of ,would i lose too much money if i came to sell it.
The only way i could get my hands on one would be to import the LTD myself which would end up much more expensive .
You get the Fishers a LOT cheaper than we do for starters. We have to pay import tax and other taxes. So that is thinned out a little when a Dealer gets around 50 or a few hundred at a time what ever the amount is. So if i wanted a LTD i`d probably end up paying around 20% or more than you do . Which is quite a considerable amount of money.You pay say $1200 for a LTD we`d pay somewhere in the region of $1500 for the same detector bythe time I`ve paid carriage ,and import dutys.
SO! what i`m asking in reality is the LTD worth me importing the LTD maybe.?
And before anyone rushes to spend my money and say "yes" ! don`t forget, i HAVE TO think of the sell able side too, on the basis of ,would i lose too much money if i came to sell it.
BuckeyeBrad
New member
in some ways. It is a fact that the LTD does offer the ability to get targets you presently can't. BUT, they obviously have to be "there" in that just out of reach strata in order to do so. If you have the possibility of a great OLD relic like England detecting can afford, that can cover the expense right there. If you're not confident that is an option, then at least you have this abnormal world demand around the 75's and T-2's and as long as you could decide to sell when that window of inflated prices/demand is still present, I would think you'd be good to go in avoiding any if not minimal loss. Another option would be to sell your original at an inflated price in order to cover a lot of the LTD's price tag. No absolute answers, but there is reason to not index to the "I'll get it and if I don't like it, I'll lose my knickers" position. If you import a new unit, do you get the normal factory warranty? Particularly if not, then that's cause to consider a used LTD if you can find one. Good luck dealing with your dilemma.
Jeb, if you haven't done so already, I'd suggest you go back and read Brad's original review and follow ups. There's a lot of good info already available on the LTD if you take the time to go back and read it.
Many users on this site have also chimed in with their detailed opinions. Not everybody loves the LTD the way Brad does, but the majority of what others who have owned the 1st gen F75 have said has been positive about the enhancements, boost, clarifier or whatever you want to call it.
I'd also suggest going to Nasa Tom's site and reading his review. His testing suggested only a fraction af an inch of actual depth increase. But he noted that he dug something like 140 additional targets with the LTD on a site he pretty much considered hunted out. The point being maybe the LTD is only a "clarifier" as you speculate rather than an enhancement. But who cares? If a 10" coin or small relic that only gives a slight tic that you would never dig in DE gives you a solid enough signal to warrant digging in BP, does it really matter?
One thing I've consistantly noticed about the boost mode besides the improved audio signal is that the VDI on it is noticably more accurate on the deeper signals than in DE or the other modes. Again, making you more likely to dig that good deeper target.
My experience with the F75 LTD in the old DE mode leads me to agree with you that you already have a fine machine with the original. Whether the LTD is worth the extra, extra $ to get it across the pond is a tough decision that ultimately only you can make. Good luck with your decision!
Many users on this site have also chimed in with their detailed opinions. Not everybody loves the LTD the way Brad does, but the majority of what others who have owned the 1st gen F75 have said has been positive about the enhancements, boost, clarifier or whatever you want to call it.
I'd also suggest going to Nasa Tom's site and reading his review. His testing suggested only a fraction af an inch of actual depth increase. But he noted that he dug something like 140 additional targets with the LTD on a site he pretty much considered hunted out. The point being maybe the LTD is only a "clarifier" as you speculate rather than an enhancement. But who cares? If a 10" coin or small relic that only gives a slight tic that you would never dig in DE gives you a solid enough signal to warrant digging in BP, does it really matter?
One thing I've consistantly noticed about the boost mode besides the improved audio signal is that the VDI on it is noticably more accurate on the deeper signals than in DE or the other modes. Again, making you more likely to dig that good deeper target.
My experience with the F75 LTD in the old DE mode leads me to agree with you that you already have a fine machine with the original. Whether the LTD is worth the extra, extra $ to get it across the pond is a tough decision that ultimately only you can make. Good luck with your decision!
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
I don't have nor have I used a LTD. But based upon what I've read and observed about the LTD, I think there are two changes that are going on with the new modes. The normal methodology for ground filtering is the "rate of change" method, whereby the slower changing ground signal is suppressed and the faster changing target signals are passed through for additional filtering and response. Since the new modes allow a slower sweep but give a more enhanced target response than the normal modes it is obvious to me that the ground filtering has changed. FTP has come up with a better ground filtering method. That may or may not allow a extra transmit power boost. I believe this grew out of the F5/Omega work.
My best guess. I was told the filters were "proprietory" when I made a causual reference to them during another conversation.
Mike
My best guess. I was told the filters were "proprietory" when I made a causual reference to them during another conversation.
Mike
If i could afford to ,I`d be over to live in Florida like a flash .Done a bit of the Holidaying about 5 times to Florida, and visited Oakahoma , and Arkansas, on the way to Dallas, Texas as well. I remember stopping at a place called McAllester on the way there.That was in the late 70`s though.I was in the Army and we came over to Fort Chaffee near Little Rock ,to work with the 106th Airborne. Great times.
A slower Target Signal recovery, is less beneficial than a fast one ,when working in and amongst the trashy ground.
A slower signal recovery is a better option in clean un trashy ground though.
It would MORE beneficial, if First Texas encorporated a flick over switch to allow you the user, to determine yourself whether you want to use a Fast target recovery or a Slow Target recovery signal to the ground you want to search..
A slower signal recovery is a better option in clean un trashy ground though.
It would MORE beneficial, if First Texas encorporated a flick over switch to allow you the user, to determine yourself whether you want to use a Fast target recovery or a Slow Target recovery signal to the ground you want to search..
Jeb NWR said:
It's not a flick-over switch, but Fisher has done the next best thing. From the LTD manual: "While searching in bP or CL process, you may also want to periodically toggle back to dE process. Press-and-Hold the MENU button to temporarily engage the dE process."
