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F75 vs LTD field tested differences
- Thread starter 1seeker
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There are two significant differences for me, both compared to my previous 'gold standard', the Minelab Explorer II, when running in the BP mode:
1) Improved audio and TID on deep silver coins compared to the EXII
2) Ability to hunt over tall brush/grass w/o significant loss of depth compared to the EXII.
I believe that the EXII to be a slightly deeper coin hunter compared to the F75 when running in 'hot' DE mode. But I tire when using the EXII so I really can cover more ground using the standard F75 compared to the EXII thus my probability in finding coins is improved compared to the EXII.
Just my opinion, of course.
1) Improved audio and TID on deep silver coins compared to the EXII
2) Ability to hunt over tall brush/grass w/o significant loss of depth compared to the EXII.
I believe that the EXII to be a slightly deeper coin hunter compared to the F75 when running in 'hot' DE mode. But I tire when using the EXII so I really can cover more ground using the standard F75 compared to the EXII thus my probability in finding coins is improved compared to the EXII.
Just my opinion, of course.
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
Just read and you will find out this forum is like detecting you have to dig for info so start digging and you will learn what we have found to be differences with the LTD and F75..I can tell you one thing once you go LTD you will not go back.
go-rebels mentioned the two main differences, although he was comparing these differences to the Explorer11, I have found them to be the same between the F 75 and the 75 LTD. It appears the LTD does have a little more depth, but for sure, in the bp mode verses the de mode, there is no question on when to dig a 9-10" dime or penny in the bp mode where as in the de mode those coins at that depth become very marginal as to dig or not. At least, the way my ground here is right now..very moist. Being able to hunt in taller grass with the LTD is a definate advantage over the F 75. I am hanging onto my regular F 75, but as much as I loved it, it is now my back up to the LTD. HH jim tn
Thanks guys ,im putting off the ltd , i am going water for a while giving the knees, and dirt a break for some sand ,so my next detector is the excall2 8 inch coil,in Feb.2010 ill wait for alittle while ,i think the ltd is just a start for that new better machine coming out, the holiday special, got ya guys ya think,just kiddin, Earl Maryland
Hey ! I still use my F75. It don`t`t phase me none when your saying the LTD is Deeper because your only guessing when your calling these targets "deeper". how many of you have truly hunted side by side with another person . One with a F75, and another with an F75 LTD, and both of you have compared signals, and the person with the F75 said "No i can`t detect that signal that you have got"? lol lol lol. None i`d say.
And anyway how many of you are walking about with a measure in your pocket,and are truly measuring these so called "Deeper targets "detected with the LTD ?
I say your just guessing !!!! and when your saying "yes that`s deeper than my plain o`l F75 would have reached" ,your doing that to justify and convince yourselves you`ve done the right thing by shelling out that extra dough you`ve shell`d out to buy the LTD.
Nah! i`m still happy that my F75 can still cut the mustard, and in the time i`ve had my F75 (from when they first became available) i`m sure i`m in the right settings to get what the F75 can get at max optimum settings that it possibly can.
All i see the boost as ,is a "Signal enhancer" . That in the detecting world for the past amount of years that the "Boost" in our hobby has come about is what BOOST has always been defined as. " A signal enhancing feature". So unless the First Texas team have "invented "a literal depth booster, nothings changed. Your using a signal enhancer to clarify easier, a signal that is being possibly masked to a certain degree.
I havn`t lost faith in my F75 and i am confident i know how to use it properly to its maximum ability. A signal booster is a handy tool. But its not going to magically make my detector detect coins any DEEPER. It`ll just "enhance" the signal that i already am getting.
I reckon First Texas should have not called the boost ,BOOST, but "Clarifier". But heck, they know that clarifier doesn`t psychologically sound as good as BOOST. So they plumbed for the eye candy word instead.
Have faith guys in your F75 anniversary, and stop looking for the magic wand add on.
And anyway how many of you are walking about with a measure in your pocket,and are truly measuring these so called "Deeper targets "detected with the LTD ?
I say your just guessing !!!! and when your saying "yes that`s deeper than my plain o`l F75 would have reached" ,your doing that to justify and convince yourselves you`ve done the right thing by shelling out that extra dough you`ve shell`d out to buy the LTD.
Nah! i`m still happy that my F75 can still cut the mustard, and in the time i`ve had my F75 (from when they first became available) i`m sure i`m in the right settings to get what the F75 can get at max optimum settings that it possibly can.
All i see the boost as ,is a "Signal enhancer" . That in the detecting world for the past amount of years that the "Boost" in our hobby has come about is what BOOST has always been defined as. " A signal enhancing feature". So unless the First Texas team have "invented "a literal depth booster, nothings changed. Your using a signal enhancer to clarify easier, a signal that is being possibly masked to a certain degree.
I havn`t lost faith in my F75 and i am confident i know how to use it properly to its maximum ability. A signal booster is a handy tool. But its not going to magically make my detector detect coins any DEEPER. It`ll just "enhance" the signal that i already am getting.
I reckon First Texas should have not called the boost ,BOOST, but "Clarifier". But heck, they know that clarifier doesn`t psychologically sound as good as BOOST. So they plumbed for the eye candy word instead.
Have faith guys in your F75 anniversary, and stop looking for the magic wand add on.
Wow Jeb NWR not to burst your bubble but you don't have to carry both F 75s with you ,
Just hold the button down and it switches from boost to DE mode.
I don't have a LTD just the old fashion F75
and guessing a new model will be out soon with boost features built in.
Read NASA Toms site [ The Mad Scientist ] he can break down the differences between the two detectors. HH Mike
Just hold the button down and it switches from boost to DE mode.
I don't have a LTD just the old fashion F75
and guessing a new model will be out soon with boost features built in.Read NASA Toms site [ The Mad Scientist ] he can break down the differences between the two detectors. HH Mike
Jeb, I'm not sure of the purpose of your post. Unless, it is simply to justify in your own mind the fact that you don't have a LTD yourself. And since you don't have one, all of what you state is MOOT.
Some of us, though, do in fact have both the F 75 and F 75 LTD. So, when we a state a compairison difference between the two, we do do so with some first hand knowledge and experience with each. Personally, I don't have to convince myself and justify shelling out the extra dough for the LTD and I know of a few others that don't as well. And yes, I do carry a small half dollar size tape measure afield with me quite often.
My ole regular F 75 still cuts the mustard pretty well, too, Jeb. My new F 75 LTD, just does it a little bit better!!!!
Happy New Year and HH jim tn
Some of us, though, do in fact have both the F 75 and F 75 LTD. So, when we a state a compairison difference between the two, we do do so with some first hand knowledge and experience with each. Personally, I don't have to convince myself and justify shelling out the extra dough for the LTD and I know of a few others that don't as well. And yes, I do carry a small half dollar size tape measure afield with me quite often.
My ole regular F 75 still cuts the mustard pretty well, too, Jeb. My new F 75 LTD, just does it a little bit better!!!!
Happy New Year and HH jim tn
Jeb, I have PROVEN to myself that he LTD "BP" mode is a significant advantage in the field compared to the old DE mode maxed-out, as gmanlight pointed out. You have the old F75 within the new LTD at all times. Whatever they did to enhance the signal within the "BP" mode, it certainly brings attention to a potential target that within the DE mode, maxed out, only appears as a noise tic.
Sounds to me like ole' Jeb NWR wants someone to justify to him, that he may need to get off his duff and prove what he is saying is true, or see it for himself... Maybe he just doesn't have anybody who wants to hunt with him to see... Antagonistic as it may sound, there seems to be a need to 'see' instead of 'hear' the comments being made by others. But then again, maybe there is a need to incite discontent, to justify his wants or skills...
Have to say, that the guys I hunt with sure see the difference, whether it be sound or depth enhancement, whichever you wanna call it.......
Have a good day... and great New Year!
Have to say, that the guys I hunt with sure see the difference, whether it be sound or depth enhancement, whichever you wanna call it.......
Have a good day... and great New Year!
BuckeyeBrad
New member
I always enjoy the posts where someone complains about others making less than informed non-data derived claims and then makes non-data derived less than informed statements themselves. Oh, and some have actually done the detail of testing that you're "convinced" they haven't.
I have hunted side by side with an F75 user. I use a Minelab Exp SE. I detected civil war buttons that his would not pick up. I would run my machine over the button then he would run his over the button. Mine would pick it up and his would not. I bought the F75 Ltd and it is a good machine also, and I like it under certain conditions but as far a depth I have not seen a machine that will match a Minelab.Jeb NWR said:
My thoughts were aimed at guesswork as to depth and the Boost Procedure put into play.. Is a Boost a Definitive BOOST ,or is it just enhancing the signal better ,thats what i`m talking about in the main. Its not a question to cause controversy, more of a question to define what EXACTLY Boost does. If no one knows FOR SURE ,then guesswork and assumption mean absolutely NOTHING.
I would like it defined by some one who does actually know, and not just thinks they know or has a theory. Simple as that. Is boost accelerating depth or merely enhancing signals. If no one knows exactly what it does then were all just theorising.
Thats my queery.
I would like it defined by some one who does actually know, and not just thinks they know or has a theory. Simple as that. Is boost accelerating depth or merely enhancing signals. If no one knows exactly what it does then were all just theorising.
Thats my queery.
Well, even Pulltabs are THEORIZED for gold before they are dug.... Hmmmm may need to get the ole' THEOR-METER out to get to the bottom of what's really running in pandora's box, eh?
Seems there is another machine out there that may have the same queery... Don't they call it a 'transmit boost'...... oop's maybe it's an audio transmit boost...
Seems there is another machine out there that may have the same queery... Don't they call it a 'transmit boost'...... oop's maybe it's an audio transmit boost...
Ha Ha. Absolutely not.Maybe your all jumping about like you`ve got a swarm of chiggers up your pants wrongly about my Question. The point i`m trying to really make is, are people using the "LTD "getting the" Boost,"they conjure up in their head they are getting or ,is Boost just the same Signal which the F75 anniversay would have still got,or is just being enhanced into a much clearer audible signal that could be very faintly heard by the F75 anniversay model ?.
I was ribbing you about paying the "extra" for it as a tease thrown in,,but hey ,your all very touchy it seems ,so i guess the jesting needs toning down a bit .
I guess 10 hail Marys are in order then and bread n water for tea for the next two weeks.
I was ribbing you about paying the "extra" for it as a tease thrown in,,but hey ,your all very touchy it seems ,so i guess the jesting needs toning down a bit .
I guess 10 hail Marys are in order then and bread n water for tea for the next two weeks.
You know I wasn't going to post on this; I don't usually post much, even though I have been both metal detecting and an avid offshore fisherman, since the 70's. But I think I have a recent experience that somehow may relate to this topic.
Offshore fisherman use sonar, also called a fishfinder, to help them find underwater structure, bait-fish pods as well as larger game-fish. It has ALWAYS been true that the higher powered 1000 watt FF, coupled to the larger multi-element thru-hull transducer, provided the best depth and most detail, from the sonar return echos.
A few months ago, I bought a new-technology product that a lot of other old-timers are laughting at, and are skeptical about. The company, called Lowrance came up with a totally new approach, that they call high-definition structure-scan. It doesn't transmit high power at all; in fact if uses a transmit power much lower than typically ANY offshore FF ever used, and it doesn't require any high-priced, high-powered multi-element transducer. What it does is process the information in a completely new way, not done before in fish-finder technology. It works very much like an MRI, but still using sonar frequencies. The depth this system reaches not only FAR exceeds anything ever accomplished before in consumer fish-finders, but the detail of the pictures it displays on the sonar screen are almost underwater photograph quality. Extreme detail of what is under the boat.
The whole point here, is that this is a new form of signal processing, or 'boost'. If the engineers who have designed the F75 LTD have come up with an unconventional way to analyze or process the signals, then that is a real advantage over the other machines. No matter what they call it.
Offshore fisherman use sonar, also called a fishfinder, to help them find underwater structure, bait-fish pods as well as larger game-fish. It has ALWAYS been true that the higher powered 1000 watt FF, coupled to the larger multi-element thru-hull transducer, provided the best depth and most detail, from the sonar return echos.
A few months ago, I bought a new-technology product that a lot of other old-timers are laughting at, and are skeptical about. The company, called Lowrance came up with a totally new approach, that they call high-definition structure-scan. It doesn't transmit high power at all; in fact if uses a transmit power much lower than typically ANY offshore FF ever used, and it doesn't require any high-priced, high-powered multi-element transducer. What it does is process the information in a completely new way, not done before in fish-finder technology. It works very much like an MRI, but still using sonar frequencies. The depth this system reaches not only FAR exceeds anything ever accomplished before in consumer fish-finders, but the detail of the pictures it displays on the sonar screen are almost underwater photograph quality. Extreme detail of what is under the boat.
The whole point here, is that this is a new form of signal processing, or 'boost'. If the engineers who have designed the F75 LTD have come up with an unconventional way to analyze or process the signals, then that is a real advantage over the other machines. No matter what they call it.
BuckeyeBrad
New member
The very first post on this forum about the 75 LTD months back commented about how many targets the LTD could hear when the original couldn't. Of course there was a lot of skepticism at the time from folks that didn't know anything first hand such as your own. Most of the input from actual LTD owners (with original's experience and or ownership) since then has been so similar to those original findings that it isn't funny...it's fact.