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Detech 13" for Sovereign is for sale

Damn, I am buying some lottery tickets tonight!

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Bryce has an update on the 13 incher compared to the 12x10!

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1692757

From the sound of it the 12x10 separates better but the 13" coil is just as deep and might be deeper....But I wonder how bad his soil is, because the 15x12 saw too much ground matrix for me and got less depth than the 12x10 or stock coil in my moderate to heavy mineralized sites. I wonder if this coil is just too big to show an improvement in depth (if it has that ability) in my soil? I have a feeling 12" might be about the limit in coil size to show improved depth in my soil.
 
Remember, KellyCo says they plan to carry the Sovereign version come mid may, so place your pre-orders and make sure you guys who get one give us a field report!

Somebody has another field report just posted on this coil in the Etrac forum. It's not Bryce, it's somebody else who has one. Wait to you see the KILLER coins he found with it!

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1695855
 
You may want to double check you source at KellyCo on the availability of this coil, I've called and spoke to several different people there and was told that this coil does not exist for the Sov. Also, a friend over in Europe was looking to get one for me and he came up with the same response, not available for the Sov.

I do have one for my Explorer and I did try it in and around the saltwater, the result was the machine would not settle down regardless of the sittings back in dry sand it was great. I put the Pro coil back on just to check it out and work perfectly in the water. I don't know what this means just yet or what it could mean for the BBS coil, it was just an observation.


HH
 
Anybody asking Kellyco about the Sovereign version of this coil should ask for JW when you call, or send him a PM and ask...Because he's the one who told me mid May for the Sovereign version. And, the coil does exist because the Sovereign version is being sold on Ebay over seas but I don't think you can get it shipped to the US from that source (link to it is in this thread). Maybe others on Ebay have it now and will ship to the US. Might be too much coil to work good in salt water soaked beaches but from the field reports it seems to work really well on land, but I would like to know what kind of soil Bryce and the other guy have because it might be too much coil for my area like the 15x12 was.
 
I must have caught the first couple of days on USA eBay because it was shipped to me from Bulgaria in about 6 days. Yes for the Sovereign. Wish I understood the mystery behind it now. It may be shipping problems from Bulgaria, he quoted me 50 days but it did come quickly. I am selling this one in the classifieds metal detector accessorys forum. And to answer Critter, it's awesome in the salt water. Better than the wot , S-12, or 12x15 SEF as I have used all. No falsing and very deep and very light. Why am I selling? Because I like building my own coils ( See below ) and used this one to create a form and made some tweaks to the electronics to improve on it. I can make as many as I want now so I don't need this one.

Bob
 
Wow, I'm sure somebody will snag that thing up real quick from you. Unfortunately I'm not working at the moment so I don't have the spare money to buy it, and I sure don't want to trade off my 12x10 because I love this coil and it might be that that coil is just too big to show gains in depth in my soil, as I found the 15x12 got less depth than even the stock coil in my soil on coin sized targets. Just taking in too much ground matrix. That's why I'm anxious to hear if people are seeing more depth with this coil in moderate to heavy mineralization.

And do you care to sell some of your homemade coils?

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like the BBS version does better than the FBS one did around salt water? Maybe that has nothing to do with the coil and more to do with the higher FBS frequencies because I've read of quite a few people who say their BBS units are much more smooth and stable at the beach than their FBS machines.
 
Hi Critter,

Sorry no I don't sell my coils. I did use an FBS explorer at my beach and after 2 frustrating years gave up and have been with my sovreigns ever since. I found it was almost impossible to set up the explorer. Settings would change daily and sometimes hourly for stable operation. With all my sovereigns it's turn on and go, never touch the controls till I'm ready to leave. So much simpler. I did find target seperation with my 13 inch clone coil to be excellent on my trash filled area of beach if that helps you. I was able to cherry pic all the highest tones which usually were deep coins with no problems. The shape of this coil is a definite advantage. I feel it gives a more concentrated target response. This coil is as deep or deeper then my 15 x 12 DD I also made.

Bob
 
Thanks for the report. I do have some experience in electronics so a while back I was cruising the GeoTech forums gathering data and information on building a coil for my Sovereign. Had all the information I needed in terms of checking readings with a meter and such, adjusting the number of turns in the coil windings, nulling it out, and so on. Just never got around to building one myself. I figured by the time I bought the raw materials needed it would cost just about as much to just buy an SEF coil. I'm sure it's like wine making, though...Where there is a big expense at first for materials and then it gets way cheap to make some more wine (coils).
 
By the way, you're not the first person to say their BBS machines where smoother and more stable than their FBS machines at the beach. Read that from quite a number of people, and some say their BBS machines hit harder on gold rings at depth...Or at least has a more pronounced audio response to gold rings since the audio is more drawn out and less processed or sanatized as it is on the FBS units. I know for me even in my mineralized soils my Explorers were a constant battle to keep tame when I tried to ride the edge of sensitivity. Ten feet later and I had to once again play with sensitivity to ride that "edge" without the falsing and such becoming a real problem. Much easier to ride the edge for me on my GT and not have to put up with as much chatter when doing that, and not having to change it as often. Why is that? I'm probably wrong but my pet theory is that the higher FBS frequencies reflect off the minerals in my soil more. That's the only thing I can figure because I never got the depth others reported with their Explorers in other states. Then again, my Etrac friend doesn't seem to have the same problem...So I suspect the much better Pro Coil is seeing less ground matrix than the old 10" Explorer coils which I never cared for as they seemed to have a real "fuzzy" undefined detection field and thus probably were soaking in too much ground signal...Causing the issues talked about above.
 
Those original explorer coils SUCKED! Hollow inside subseptable to moisture, just no good at the beach. I did make Explorer coils as well but still no good in the salt water surf. I believe the Explorers are a bit too sensitive for beach use. at least by me in the northeast. It may be the higher frequencies as you stated but who knows? I get tremendous depth with my sovereigns and home made coils and until I see something better I will never change. In all-metal they are as deep or deeper then most all pulse machines that I have tried and you can check the target in discrimanate before digging. Don't know what this ctx3030 is all about but with a 2000.00+ price I suspect, I'll be on the sidelines for now.

Bob
 
Bob LI said:
Those original explorer coils SUCKED! Hollow inside subseptable to moisture, just no good at the beach. I did make Explorer coils as well but still no good in the salt water surf. I believe the Explorers are a bit too sensitive for beach use. at least by me in the northeast. It may be the higher frequencies as you stated but who knows? I get tremendous depth with my sovereigns and home made coils and until I see something better I will never change. In all-metal they are as deep or deeper then most all pulse machines that I have tried and you can check the target in discrimanate before digging. Don't know what this ctx3030 is all about but with a 2000.00+ price I suspect, I'll be on the sidelines for now.

Bob
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Same as you bob, too sensitive at beach especially the etrac....i have sold it so...on the sov the 13 is better than the10*12? and s12?
 
Sorry, wanted to link this thread to the other one about it...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1704330
 
Update! Somebody just posted a field comparison of the 13" Ultimate to the 12x10 in the Etrac forum. Haven't read it yet because I'm printing it out to read over a cigarette, so no remarks from me yet on it if I have any. I was waiting for a test like this. Hope it's the kind of in depth comparison in terms of separation and depth I was hoping for. Check it out...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1705938
 
One thing I have notice over the years is the coil performance is different from one detector to another. On the Explorer/E-Trac I found some coils to work real well, but get the same coil made for the Sovereign and they were not as good as the same ones made for the Explorers. What i am saying is if you are looking at the test results of these made for the Explorer may not be the same as those you will see on the Sovereigns.
 
That's of course a good point, but it's still interesting and can be potentially useful to read about people have to say about a coil on other machines to see what kind of potential it *might* have. I can at least say that some who own the 12x10 on their FBS machines feel the same way about them that I do about it on the Sovereign, as I've read a lot of reviews of that coil and in those forums. But of course that doesn't mean it's going to be the same thing for this new Ultimate coil. To really know for sure people will have to weigh what other BBS users have to say about it. Once again, good point you made about that. :thumbup:
 
Just checked Kellyco' site as JW said mid may for the Sovereign version of this coil. Can't find it on there, but JW just PMed me and said he's going to check into expected delivery time again and get back to me, so it appears (?) they are still planning to carry the Sovereign version. I'll update you guys when he gets back to me.

I would think they would carry the BBS version because they are now carrying the M6/MXT version. I would figure there are many more Sovereign and Xcal users out there because they've been making these machines much longer than the M6/MXT. Wonder if anybody on Ebay is shipping the Sovereign version to the US yet? Think I'll check that...
 
Thanks Critter for posting Kellyco has the Detech 13" coil, that is what I need for a an old Sovereign of mine.

A long time ago modified a Sovereign to be waterproof, using the stock 10"coil it did a decent job on depth. Using a Whites beachhunter housing, waterproof pots, waterproof headset the unit is fantastic!

It has full function of all controls including notch, a pleasure to use but it needs something to give it an extra inch or two in depth.

Here's a couple of quick pics of the waterproof Sov, can't wait to replace the coil with the 13" Detech.

Thanks again,
Paul (Ca)
 
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