Cazador situation??

[Hombre]

Well...there was that big push a few years back for all you T users to 'name' the new product 'Cazador'....and its still a market no-show...so on that note alone its only natural a guy has wonderings as to its viability and the overall health of the organization? ...

Hey Mud, it was only a little over a year ago if you check Nathan's post, first posted Nov 5, 2013. David J. lead engineer at FTP posted on another forum and explained that it could take years to bring a new detector from drawing board into the market. People do not realize with all the debug testing and prototyping what all is involved. I really think that Vince Gifford is doing great with his company and only needs people to keep buying their product, all is well in Tesoro land.

 

[BarryL]

Ivan re read my post . I did not say Tesoro was in a Bad way I said if they were in a bad way!!and there is no"" Barry Land"" if you don't want constructive criticism don't post on a public forum I was not posting to bad mouth you I was simply making a statement that I believe Tesoro would come on here and also other forums as on their facebook page and state the Cazador was a no go!

 

[Ivan]

Sorry Barry I took your post the wrong way........apologies.

 

[BarryL]

No apologie needed maybe I came across the wrong way all is well in ah never mind I am like you I would like to see that new machine as well as others I am sure Maybe this time next year Santa will bring me the Cazador if not then there is always the Compadre Good luck my friend and no worries Hey and Merry Christmas

 

[Ptrevino97]

Didn't a representative from tesoro come on here a little bit ago and clear the air on this rumor already? Cazador is still under development and is coming according to what he said if I'm not mistaken. And that came from tesoro themselves and not rumor or speculation from any dealer.

 

[JMC]

I don't think technologically there has been a huge leap in metal detectors in years. Most of it has been changes in the way we are able to interpret the signals the units receive. Other than that some functions have been made automatic but the reality is tunable units are better in some situations. One major change for many folks is a problem no one wants to discuss and that is places to detect. Where I live we are considered an historic area. There have been problems with metal detecting folks showing up at night and hunting properties on the sly. Also folks showing up at properties for sale with questionable permission. For example next door to me when the property was for sale a group six showed up one weekend afternoon and proceeded to detect away. I questioned them and got the weak answer the realtor had given them permission. My reply was the realtor did not own the property and they needed to leave. They did with an attitude but returned later than day saying the realtor claimed the owner said it was fine. Knowing the property was a bank sale I simply stated then police would be called to straighten things out. They left not very happy but never returned. I did question the realtor and corrected her saying the bank did not need a bunch of clowns leaving the yard dug up with the excuse that new sod would be put down. Groups like that will kill off metal detecting quicker than anything. Many things we do as outside sports are being eroded away, hunting, fishing, metal detecting, are only a few. There are less and less places and far more rules and regulations coming into play. I hope the generations coming behind us can enjoy the sport as we do. Today I hunted the property down the street with a friend, we had a long discussion about all of these issues.

 

[Rainyday101]

All of the metal detector companies are headed down a one way street that is a dead end. Everyday somewhere, some idiot buys his new detector and a shovel and digs up a park. Next thing all parks in that city are closed to metal detecting. There are fewer and fewer places to detect everyday. Now it is happening on beaches also. Then you have states like Wisc. where it is "technically" illegal to detect on any state land. The state archaeologist is afraid you might find a 100 year old square nail of significance. As there become fewer and fewer places to hunt there will be less need for detectors. It is a dead end street and we are along for the ride. It's not gonna happen tomorrow, but it is happening little by little everyday.

 

[mudpuppy]

Valid points JMC...on another note, the results from this years 'Black Friday' sales breakdown..only 23% of shoppers used cash...which for us is a bad omen...nobody is carrying a pocket full of money anymore, nobody is wearing gold like in the previous years...Hell, most wedding rings, (if a person even bothers to get married anymore) are SS, Titanium, or Tungsten and are marketed as 'better than gold'...Imagine somebody back in the 20's-30's that lost a Barber Half? That was a full days pay back then...do you know anybody consistently carrying that kind of jack in their pockets in coin form now a days? For them to lose and us to find? A full days 'pay' at $10bucks per hr..today would be like finding a bag full of 300+ Q's!

All these points are something detector mfgs. have to take into account...that and the median age of 'our group' that is seriously addicted to this sport...its all about marketing....Observing the youth of today, I doubt they have developed the concentration strengths necessary to succeed at this sport, or the willingness to learn, and as we know, they all buy on flash...

Y'all know I'm a huge Fan of Tesoro, both the gear and the users, and appreciate being sort of an unofficial adopted member of your Forum ...so I dont want to stir up any uncalled for trouble...huge topic and subject...good thing is you guys are hunting the right signals in the older dirt with GREAT gear... Tesoro may need some marketing or channel focus, then again maybe not...maybe everythings fine and dandy I hope..
Mud

 

[dirt doctor]

I don't think technologically there has been a huge leap in metal detectors in years. Most of it has been changes in the way we are able to interpret the signals the units receive. Other than that some functions have been made automatic but the reality is tunable units are better in some situations. One major change for many folks is a problem no one wants to discuss and that is places to detect. Where I live we are considered an historic area. There have been problems with metal detecting folks showing up at night and hunting properties on the sly. Also folks showing up at properties for sale with questionable permission. For example next door to me when the property was for sale a group six showed up one weekend afternoon and proceeded to detect away. I questioned them and got the weak answer the realtor had given them permission. My reply was the realtor did not own the property and they needed to leave. They did with an attitude but returned later than day saying the realtor claimed the owner said it was fine. Knowing the property was a bank sale I simply stated then police would be called to straighten things out. They left not very happy but never returned. I did question the realtor and corrected her saying the bank did not need a bunch of clowns leaving the yard dug up with the excuse that new sod would be put down. Groups like that will kill off metal detecting quicker than anything. Many things we do as outside sports are being eroded away, hunting, fishing, metal detecting, are only a few. There are less and less places and far more rules and regulations coming into play. I hope the generations coming behind us can enjoy the sport as we do. Today I hunted the property down the street with a friend, we had a long discussion about all of these issues.

Ever considered a career in law enforcement ?

 

[Fletch88]

All of the metal detector companies are headed down a one way street that is a dead end. Everyday somewhere, some idiot buys his new detector and a shovel and digs up a park. Next thing all parks in that city are closed to metal detecting. There are fewer and fewer places to detect everyday. Now it is happening on beaches also. Then you have states like Wisc. where it is "technically" illegal to detect on any state land. The state archaeologist is afraid you might find a 100 year old square nail of significance. As there become fewer and fewer places to hunt there will be less need for detectors. It is a dead end street and we are along for the ride. It's not gonna happen tomorrow, but it is happening little by little everyday.

Your exactly right!

 

[dirt doctor]

All of the metal detector companies are headed down a one way street that is a dead end. Everyday somewhere, some idiot buys his new detector and a shovel and digs up a park. Next thing all parks in that city are closed to metal detecting. There are fewer and fewer places to detect everyday. Now it is happening on beaches also. Then you have states like Wisc. where it is "technically" illegal to detect on any state land. The state archaeologist is afraid you might find a 100 year old square nail of significance. As there become fewer and fewer places to hunt there will be less need for detectors. It is a dead end street and we are along for the ride. It's not gonna happen tomorrow, but it is happening little by little everyday.

It's also getting a bit more dangerous out there with more thugs looking for someone to rob or victimize . There are places I used to hunt
that have now become too risky . It has become the age of broken glass and spray paint .

 

[mudpuppy]

Well...I dont care what anybody says! Allow me to modify a popular glib saying,..."if detectors are outlawed, only outlaws will detect!"...(and by 'outlaw', I mean ME!).

In this regard, its sort of like speeding...you dont get caught all the time, you just have to be prudent and fast and know when and where...it adds another dimension to the sport as if it wasnt hard enough! Nobody wants to door knock all day long...sooner or later, those folks with homes built in the 60's will even get tired of it! Bummer is clad has a 'dirt life' of about 20 minutes before it rots beyond spendability...

Also, like what Dirtdoctor mentioned...

Big risk in the urban areas brothers!...theres some sort of bad stuff going around that make these modern dope fiends really aggressive...places I normally hit I have not stopped at for the past 2 yrs...rain, shine, dark of night, sleet or snow...these modern day dopers are really something...I do a casual driveby at all hours, and have not been able to stop or hunt or figure out a pattern to these dopers..they are out in all sorts of weather, and time doesnt seem to matter to them...
Mud

 

[Rainyday101]

Well...I dont care what anybody says! Allow me to modify a popular glib saying,..."if detectors are outlawed, only outlaws will detect!"...(and by 'outlaw', I mean ME!).

Me Too!

 

[dirt doctor]

Well...I dont care what anybody says! Allow me to modify a popular glib saying,..."if detectors are outlawed, only outlaws will detect!"...(and by 'outlaw', I mean ME!).

Me Too![/q

Add me to that list detecting has become like breathing to me . I'm headed out right now .

 

[Walknstik]

I've always considered myself as a law abiding citizen but if metal detecting was ever down right "outlawed" then hey.... I guess I'd be considered an outlaw

 

[tabman]

I spoke to a fairly prominent and reliable multi-line dealer and asked about the Cazador project? His response shocked me.....he said Cazador is dead!!! There is no money for that project....Tesoro is in trouble and they can't even put out the Golden UMax or even get the codes for it. So sad. They appear to be going down the Troy highway!!!

You never did say who the "fairly prominent and reliable multi-line dealer" was. Cat got your tongue or is it a bunch of BS?

tabman

 

[Ivan]

The man is an honest multi-line dealer who is not prone to spouting out B.S. He told me what he has heard from other dealers as well...he believes this is as close to fact as you can get. (Of course it could be wrong... always that possibility.) But when I give my word that something will be held in confidence... then that should be respected..

 

[OhioMike]

So a dealer gives you some inside info and you post it on a public forum and call that being "held in confidence"?

 

[tabman]

So a dealer gives you some inside info and you post it on a public forum and call that being "held in confidence"?

And why is this 'honest' dealer sneaking around saying things that he doesn't want anyone to know that he said? All this stinks to high heaven!

tabman

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

These rumors of the dire situation of Tesoro and the announced Cazador
just won't quit.

Just to highlight how long it has gone on, here are some old threads I have partaken in.

In the defense of Tesoro, a representative usually answers and tries to quell the riff raff.

But now
is the time to put up or shut up.

However there is substance behind a rumors origin when the company makes promises that are taking forever to fulfill.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1877226,1877865#msg-187786

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,2113739,2113739


http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1865917,1879100#msg-1879100