wish i had not tried to change the battery in my x 35 coil

[DigDog]

I didn’t think you would trash it. I would’ve given you 100.00 for it. I thought you would send it in.

Dumpster diving is a hobby that pays off at times

 

[DigDog]

Was this a new coil when you got it? It sounds like it was a replacement battery to begin with if the coil bottom (back cover) was already glued up. I don't remember mine having a back cover , you had to cut along the rib through the coil bottom to make one.

Didn’t all the coils usually have a coil cover

 

[sprchng]

Didn’t all the coils usually have a coil cover

That is what's confusing me "well it was even hard to get the little black cover off" does not sound like he is referring to the coil cover but a small cover over the battery which is what you end up with after cutting through the bottom of the coil to get the battery exposed. After replacing the battery it is necessary to glue the section you cut out back in place. As I said earlier , the battery in my coil had a dab of silicone like glue which held the battery fixed , others have said there was foam. sounds like there was some variation in the earlier Deus coils during production.

 

[kaolinwasher]

Was this a new coil when you got it? It sounds like it was a replacement battery to begin with if the coil bottom (back cover) was already glued up. I don't remember mine having a back cover , you had to cut along the rib through the coil bottom to make one.

yes it was bran new when i got it , as far as i was told, it showed no sighns of replacement , I got it new from a dealer,

 

[DigDog]

That is what's confusing me "well it was even hard to get the little black cover off" does not sound like he is referring to the coil cover but a small cover over the battery which is what you end up with after cutting through the bottom of the coil to get the battery exposed. After replacing the battery it is necessary to glue the section you cut out back in place. As I said earlier , the battery in my coil had a dab of silicone like glue which held the battery fixed , others have said there was foam. sounds like there was some variation in the earlier Deus coils during production.

Hope on the D2 not necessary to cut the coil open then patch it closed as it sounds like you had to do.
No compartment door you could just open and then seal shut?
Would be easier I think to seal a door shut that was already made to open rather than something you had to cut from a solid piece of plastic.

 

[Listener]

To seal the piece I cut out and never had any problem with leakage. Hope on the D2 not necessary to cut the coil open then patch it closed as it sounds like you had to do.
No compartment door you could just open and then seal shut?
Would be easier I think to seal a door shut that was already made to open rather than something you had to cut from a solid piece of plastic.

That is what the repairmen do though. A lot are squimish about doing it, but u don’t have to cut deep. On the early coils there was a slight indention showing the area to cut through. I did it and used windshield sealant and never has leaked. I would do the x35 but I think I would leave the D2 for experts because of depth it can be used at.

 

[DigDog]

That is what the repairmen do though. A lot are squimish about doing it, but u don’t have to cut deep. On the early coils there was a slight indention showing the area to cut through. I did it and used windshield sealant and never has leaked. I would do the x35 but I think I would leave the D2 for experts because of depth it can be used at.

An indentation would help tremendously, curious as to what they use to make the cut. Obviously the thinner the cut the better. I don’t know how thick the plastic is that you would have to cut through either. Given all that it probably wouldn’t be all that bad.
I don’t know the costs involved either as far as just the battery vs sending it in vs just buying a whole new coil as it’s supposed to last about ten years.
The headphones and remote have a door which make it simple as i said would have been nice to put some type of door with a seal. Perhaps because it has to be all plastic makes it harder to seal any other way.

 

[DigDog]

How long have the batteries lasted as the manual says 10 years. I don’t know what the manual for the D1 states and how long it actually lasts.
If you aren’t diving with it then probably shouldn’t be that much to worry about

 

[Donna(NJ]

Dam, I could have sold you a like new HF 9" for $200 !!! I cant believe you trashed it !!! $50 plus postage Im sure Deus would have fixed it.

Live and learn.......

HH
Donna(NJ)

 

[Picketwire]

curious as to what they use to make the cut. Obviously the thinner the cut the better. I don’t know how thick the plastic is that you would have to cut through either.

You never have to cut through the plastic, you cut through the glue holding the battery cover. I would say the reason they don't put a cover over it, that you and I can remove and reseal (hopefully with no leaks), has to do with the warranty. Would you warranty a waterproof electronic device that anyone could open up and if redone improperly, ruin the whole coil? If a person can afford a Deus, I would think they could afford to send it to the manufacturer after 5 or 10 years. I guess you could gamble on changing it yourself. I've seen videos that seemed successful although long term, who knows? I have also seen one here that ruined an expensive coil trying.

 

[DigDog]

I guess alot of factors can play into it.
Might be able to afford a detector now but 10 years from now a service could cost $200 and some might not be able to afford it, more importantly at 10 years from now its out of warranty anyway.
5 years or less everything is under warranty so why not send it in. The battery is supposed to last past the warranty period.
Also 10 years from now you might be able to get the coil for $100 as im sure there will be at least two more newer models out by then. Depending on the cost many might’ just spend the money on a upgrade instead.
Just like an expensive watch a battery change sent in can be up to $150, $50-$75 minimum. Battery can be bought for $3.99 fortunately the case backs can be taken off fairly easily. If you really want to be sure replace the gasket as well $5 done. I have a watch rated to 300meters almost 1000 feet with a tiny little o ring.
Point being the technology to seal it to 66 feet should be pretty easy.
Just an idea similar to how they have a cap you unscrew that seals the rc they could put a similar cap on the side of the coil with a gasket you just unscrew pop out the battery pop a new one in and screw the cap back on.
Someone can just as easily accidentally leave the cap in the rc loose and it leaks.
Just a thought

 

[sprchng]

10 years? , if you detected regularly that could be 2000 cycles,,,,doubtful. I had the Deus1 and after a couple years of pretty decent usage , with that battery it was getting tough to get two days out of good detecting , that was after probably 400 cycles.

 

[DigDog]

10 years? , if you detected regularly that could be 2000 cycles,,,,doubtful. I had the Deus1 and after a couple years of pretty decent usage , with that battery it was getting tough to get two days out of good detecting , that was after probably 400 cycles.

Detecting regularly is also different for everyone. Whats a day detecting 2,4,6,8 hours? Not everyone detects every day either. Im just going by what the manual says. 5 tears minimum UPTO 10 years, their stats not mine.
Have to ask XP how they determine a year usage.
I put my phone e on the charger every night and it charges when i sleep no reason can’t put detector on every night before a day of hunting. I would imagine you could get a couple hours on it for many years.
If you detect 8 hours a day 365 you probably need a whole new detector after a few years lol

 

[DigDog]

I asked what others have experienced as far as battery life in the deus.
So far sprchng i guess only gets not even two days charge after a couple years, im assuming by a couple is two and about 400 charges.
That’s actually not that good
At that rate after 4 years 800 cycles it’s probably totally shot.
Assuming the deus 2 uses the same batteries.
Hopefully the 5 year warranty covers batteries.

 

[Ism]

You never have to cut through the plastic, you cut through the glue holding the battery cover.

That is not good advice, I tried and it's all but impossible. It causes way more damage to try to cut at the glue joint than to cut the indentation.
If you cut along the glue joint, the plastic is so thin at that point that your razor knife will swell the side of the coil housing and quite possibly slice through instead of following the glue joint.
Even if you do cut the glue joint successfully, you have a ledge at the bottom of the glue joint that will still remain glued. You will have to dig out the cover to break the remaining adhesive causing more damage.
If you cut along the inside edge where I've shown, you can control the cut. The battery cover housing is only ~1mm thick at that point.
When you return the cover plug, it's easy to seal because of the notch. Unlike trying to seal the glue joint which is right at the edge.
The picture is for reference only, I'm not sure at the moment which side the side the battery is on.

 

[Picketwire]

Thanks for the correction. However if you have to replace it again, you have a new glue joint to contend with. Better to have XP do it. If they do it wrong they pay for it.

 

[Ism]

However if you have to replace it again, you have a new glue joint to contend with. Better to have XP do it. If they do it wrong they pay for it.

Agreed. If I was to guess, XP probably has a small CNC machine and fixture designed specifically for cutting out the cover so they can replace the battery and install a new cover the same as the old.
If in fact there is an epoxy on the plug as kaolinwasher described, they probably unsolder the circuit board from the coil wires and replace the board also.
If anybody would care to show a photo of their coil after a factory battery replacement, I would love to see it.

 

[Listener]

Typical manufacturing technics for sealing things housed in plastics is using ultrasonic welding. So to replace the battery they probably have a jig that overlays the coil to guide their cutting the compartment open. They may also use ultrasonics to close up again or a sealant of some kind. I have never had one sent off for replacement, so it would be nice to see one afterwards. Has to be done to perfection to warrant against leaks.

 

[DigDog]

Im very curious what they use to make the cut. Depending how its done will determine if sealing it is easy or not

 

[DigDog]

I worked at a marina many years ago and cut holes in everything from gas tanks to boat hulls. The cut made all the difference