Stix said:
Monte. The love you give. Always in the middle of things.
No, not always, and not always in the middle of things, either. Honestly, my concern was simply being curious as to what the MX Sport might mean to you, what your experiences have been, the type of hunting you do, etc.
Stix said:
I found that most people always like what they buy and will defend it to the death.
I have found, through over five decades of being a very avid detectorist, many of those years being a metal detector dealer or working with or for a manufacturer, and just being involved with consumers by way of club meetings, seminars and via the forums, that
some people try to defend their detector purchase decision, but certainly not most people. Instead, I have found that many like to acquire a detector to learn it and find out for themselves if they made a decision they are comfortable with, and only those who are totally unknowing about detectors or their operation, or those on the other extreme who have a very good understanding of detectors and function, seem to defend or justify their purchase choice.
Stix said:
Unlike most my views always having people wanting to have me kicked off the forums. I tell the truth. So sit back and relax you nor others will sway my view.
Well, you can sit back and join me as I also stand up for my views and experiences and opinions, and speak of them honestly on different Forums. If they don't like it, well ... they can tell me or kick me off.
I want people to tell the truth and state their opinions on my Forums, or any Forums, and we have a good number of people who do just that.
Stix said:
When everyone kissed the french machine butt or the next best thing or etc etc. I went against the grain and shed my views on the faults. I do it in a crass way. You on the other hand due it in a holier than thou fashion. Not my style. I am not a dealer or a hard core enthusiast. What I am is what alot are here. A lover of the hobby and a sharer of what I do.
I had a French-made XP Gold Maxx that I liked, performance wise, but didn't care for the build quality and middle-to-upper rod connection that loosened and wobbled after maybe 3-4 days of Relic Hunting, but I pamper equipment .. and I mentioned that. As for the current Deus, I don't think you will find any favorable comments from me, but I haven't owned one, only hunted with a few people who
had one, for a while, and I compared them with what I used. Didn't like the detector, the smaller-size search coil selection [size=small]
(or lack of one)[/size] and I believe in being honest. Yes, they can work, but they just aren't the detector for me, or provide the performance I want where I hunt.
I am not a dealer, but I am a hard core enthusiast of this great sport, and have been for a long, long time. I, too, love this hobby and try to share all I can that might be of help to others.
Stix said:
Some people take the fun out of this hobby and trash everything about it like its a presidential election. Stop the stupid bashing or this is what I Do. I give more credence to new users that love the hobby than cranky old men that no matter what they type they have a agenda one way or another.. I have spent money on the best and the least. IMO there is little difference. I spoke out against the Deus,. I almost got kicked off the forums for it...
Everyone has
"an agenda, one way or the other," and for over half-a-century I have spent money on detectors, search coils and accessories .. and there IS a difference between many of them, be it higher or lower dollar. I tell it as I see it.
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Stix said:
Good or bad I will tell my experience. You on the other hand come off as a know it all jerk. I think that is why I like you. 
No worries i will give my experience. Just a FYI. I like to try new machines just as everyone does. I do not find it hard to learn a new machine. I like to try the next and newest out there. Who doesn't ?
No, I am not a
"know it all jerk," ... I am simply an avid detectorist who uses every make and model he possibly can to get a good understanding of it, then I will share my personal opinions of any product as I see fit.
Stix said:
Just a FYI Monte I wasn't including you as a basher of Monte detectors. Just hate soon as something comes out you have people no matter what ready to stick a dagger in. You're just a know it all
I wish I knew it all, but I don't. I DO know what I expect from a manufacturer based on past experiences, and I do know what I anticipate seeing and hearing when handling a new product. Sometimes I am more than pleased, and at other times I am very let down. The latter just happens to apply to the MX Sport and my limited access to and handling of a couple of specimens so far.
I do appreciate you answering the following questions, for me and for others better understanding of you and how your comments my be interpreted in the initial post:
Stix said:
• What type of hunting you typically do? ... Great lakes water detecting. Schools and tot lots. Old home sites.
Freshwater Beach Hunting, which I prefer to salt water hunting; Urban Coin Hunting which is what got me started in March of '65; and selecting older home-sites, which I most especially enjoy, along with ghost towns, pioneer encampments, logging and mining camps and towns, etc., where most are rural and provide me some good Relic Hunting opportunities.
Stix said:
• The amount and density of the trash you generally encounter. ... Depends on location. Baseball fields and surrounding alot. At the schools next to nothing. Varies from place to place.
Good answer, and likely 'typical' for most people when Beach Hunting or Coin & Jewelry Hunting most urban locations. My older site choices, however, are typically a real iron debris challenge, and that's what causes many makes and models of detectors to fall short when it comes to performance afield.
Stix said:
• What size and type search coils you usually use, and what coil offerings from White's for the MX Sport might interest you. ... I usually use the stock coils but do go larger in the less trashy sites. The 9" concentric and 6x10 look to be a better set of coils.
Nice answer of what seems to fit your needs. For me, I use something like a 7X11 DD or a 9" Concentric if I am working a more open site with sparse, well-spaced targets. 80% to 90% of my detecting is done with a smaller size coil, such as an
'OOR' shaped DD or 5½" round DD on my Nokta and Makro models, a 6" Concentric on my Tesoro's, a 5" DD on a few Teknetics and Fisher models I used to enjoy, and the 6½" Concentric on the White's models I have enjoyed using the most.
In modest trash and less brushy conditions, I use my 5½X10 Concentric or 5½X10 DD coils on my Nokta or Makro models, and I did use a 5X10 DD on the F19's and Omega 8000's. I usually have preferred the 6½" Concentric coils to either the 'Shooter' DD coils or the 6X10 DD's on the White's offerings. As for the new MX Sport, I was kind of let down by a new model entry that had a new 10" DD coil when they could have used their 9" 'spider' type Concentric coil. It would have been just fine for on-land or in-water searches, and would also balance much better than the old-fashioned and buoyant 950 coil, and I prefer it over the 6X10 DD as well. There should have been a smaller coil, such as a 6½" Concentric offered for it ... and those are my experienced opinions.
Stix said:
• What specific adjustment features appealed to you. ...This one I am not sure what you're asking. Adjustments?
For example, while I have been a loyal fan of the MXT and MXT Pro and have owned many of them, until last year, I would have been pleased to see a manual GB added to it. Or other more modern adjustments, such as an Iron Audio Volume adjustment. Some people like to have at least a limited Tone ID option, so it is this sort of difference in the MX Sport that I was curious about what attracted you to get one. Just a simple,
"what specific adjustment features" were there about the new MX Sport that appealed to you to at least investigate it?
Stix said:
• A comparison or reference to former models you have owned that caused you to change to a White's product. ... At Pro, Deus xp, Ace 250, Tesoro outlaw, tesoro sting ray, Whites beach hunter, tesoro vaquero and CTX 3030. Prolly a few more I am missing. But have not owned but used alot more through friends.
Thanks for that info as it lets me know what you have, have had, or have used to get familiar with.
Stix said:
• What the MX Sport offers that you feel make it a better choice for you than the MXT All-Pro or MX5. ...As mentioned I do like to try the newer models out there. I think it is the way they made the detector out to be. Can it meet there expectations? Some say yes others a big hell NO! I wanted to see for myself how good this detector is or is not. I tend to post smart ass retorts and throw a few sticks out there. I do it in a fun way. Most realize this but it doesn't always come through in text. I do appreciate you're knowledge of detectors and how you quote and do a step by step.
Thanks for your comments, and like you, I enjoy learning any new detector to find out if it is up to MY expectations.
Stix said:
In short I am just an average user and can only offer my thoughts. I never meant to post a full review just my thoughts. I like to detect. I like to let the others do full blown reviews. I will stick to my small thoughts and smart comments!
I also like to get out detecting as often as I can, and being retired I put in a lot of hunting time. Often I limit my comments on some models, but I will share opinions. Usually I do not do a
'review' of a model unless I have had one provided to me [size=small]
(and manufacturers have done that since 1974)[/size] or if it is something new and interesting, especially one that I feel is an exceptional performer and/or has quite an appeal among many hobbyists.
Stix said:
Well a real downer so far is that the separation on this machine is not good. What I remember hearing from whites is it would have been just as fast as the deus. Only way I could get separation on 5 coins 2.5" apart was in all metal mode and SAT on 5. I did not try relic or prospecting modes. I did test the others. I was told this was the newest firmware as the dealer sent his stock back and had them done. Just got it and have not had it in the field yet. I was hoping for alot faster recovery like was hinted at. Strike 1 for me.
The unit itself feels good and a tad nose heavy but otherwise the build is good and the screen is nice. This is gonna be a slower swinging machine compared to the Deus. It does do good on gold chains and bracelets though.
I see you kind of posted a brief review of your updated firmware of a malfunctioning original MX Sport ... and stil are not pleased. The Dealer I visited who let me toy around with their initial MX Sport was kind enough to let me check out any updated unit they got in ... and it still fell way short of performance compared to all of the models I currently own and use, as well as the MX5, M6 and MXT All-Pro models they show-and-sell.
I am getting in some detecting at old sites with a friend this week, busy hunting whenever I can, but the next time they get in some supposedly upgraded MX Sports, I will check them out again as well. I have always mentioned the few things I DO like about their package, but I want and need performance .... as well as a smaller-size search coil. I'll be interested if you send it back in for ANOTHER firmware upgrade and how the next specimen will perform. Will it be strike 2 and strike 3, or a home run for you?
Monte
