What happened to the Nokta Impact Thread

[Monte]

at your earlier comment and my reply.

You said:

I don't know but the Impact had notch discrimination,( manual) and auto GB and adjustable backlite timeout. three things alone the Racer dosen't have. All metal mode was described as super deep mode.

You pointed to three things you said the Racer doesn't have. Notch, the Ground Balance functions, and Adjustable Backlight Time-out.

I simply corrected your comments as shown below because the Racer DOES and Tracking and Manual or Automated Ground Balance. Also, they didn't describe what the "Adjustable Timeout" was, but with the Racer the Backlight comes on with a response or a pull of the trigger.

That only left the Notch Discrimination, and since we haven't see the display or a manual or a breakdown description, we don't know if "Notch Discrimination" means it is a conductivity region like on a Teknetics Delta or Omega, or if it is a series of Discrimination segments as found on a Minelab X-Terra or White's MX5. Maybe it uses a variable 'window' like the Fisher F19? We don't know. All I suggested is that for the more avid folks we know we have to recover trash to find desired targets, or remove the shallower trash to find what might be deeper and older and better.

If someone wants Notch Discrimination, I have an MX5 demo unit I'll trade for a Racer or FORS CoRe. It has 20 Notch Segments, and if you really want to accept and reject a bunch of stuff I'll trade a demo White's VX3 for a Racer w/Pro Pack or a FORS CoRe w/Pro Pack, then you can accept and reject all you want from -95 to 0 and on up to +95. Tinker all you want, if you think Notch Discrimination is very important. Personally, I don't care for it, and I stated that it is a personal opinion.

Sorry Monte, I know what I saw and your second guessing me to protect your racer orders.

What you stated was what you saw, I presume, yet you stated three things the Racer didn't have, and I only noticed one described feature.

As to "protect my Racer orders," I don't know what you mean. I am not Nokta or Makro and not under their employ. I don't have any Racer orders, either, because I am not a dealer. If I were a dealer I wouldn't be bothered too much because of the deleted mention by Kellyco. Besides, there was some information not shown that might not be there such as no mention of a VCO audio in the 2-Tone or Beach mode.

I metioned what I understood,

But it seems you didn't understand the Ground Balance options of the racer or the backlight functions, all of which have been mentioned, or you could have read the Owner's Manual.

I didin't mention tone break which if this has adjustable tone break like it reads and others agree in the UK forum.

I mentioned the Iron Audio, which IS a feature I stated I like, and Tone Break can be a good or bad thing depending upon how the programming and circuitry functions work. I have used competitors models with variable Tone Break and they don't impress me that much for the type of hunting I do.

Racer orders are going to get cancelled.

Maybe, just like somebody might cancel an order for a Chevy or Ford because GMC or Lincoln might offer something similar but slightly different.

You guys should be mad at Kellyco.

Who are "You guys?" The Manufacturer I am sure isn't pleased with the stunt they pulled, and I am sure the Makro Distributor and Makro Dealers in the USA might be bothered a bit, but ... the Nokta line is currently only handled by Kellyco in the USA so that's who buyers have to go to.

Now we will see what kind of company Nokta/Makro is and how they take control of this mess.

That's correct, and we should just let them handle it without a lot of negative feedback on the Forums.

The way I see it they were gonna screw the New Racer owners just like owners of the Fors will loose out big if they choose to sell them to buy a new Racer or Impact.

I don't see it that way. They are providing a Makro brand Racer to their Makro Distributors and then to their Dealer base, and the consumers are going to get a great quality detector with a lot of performance. With Kellyco, they can't sell Makro but are the only Nokta Dealer and naturally would like to have something similar to be competitive.

I don't sell them, don't take orders for them, don't have any state in the matter .... but it is daylight and I am headed out the door shortly to go use their products because they feel great, work excellent, and find me stuff. I am not taking a Notch Discriminator with me, and don't have, or want, much more than what is ready to go to work.

Monte

 

[oregon_dragonfly]

I can't put blame on Nokta for KellyCo's low handed tactics. The only thing that I can do, is not deal with KellyCo. If I need a Nokta machine I can go on Ebay and deal with another company to get a CoRe or any other upcoming Nokta Machines

I don't who is doing damage control, obviously the machine is out there, nokta built it whether only for Kco ( which I doubt ) because there are many nokta dealers world wide which would want a machine to sell and compete with the makro line. I think it is poor planning on the makro/nokta company to play both ends. there moto is "togather we are stronger" but they are still acting like two companies offering similar but different machines. dfly

 

[JFlynn]

I would call it unethical business practices by KC. Maybe it would be a reason to break a contract they have with KC to sell Nokta products, hopefully. They obviously wanted a piece of the Racer pie looks like. KC hasn't since my very first detector years ago got a cent of my money. I like used or any dealer besides them.

 

[azsh07]

Yah Amen to that....I don't like them one bit. I use ANYONE accept them if at all possible. Half the time you place an order and it is not in stock anyway.

 

[OregonGregg]

Are you talking about First Texas ???? And how is it poor planning on Nokta /Mackros Part. Until KellyCo did their petty little stunt, you didn't even know the machine existed. Perhaps Nokta wasn't ready to introduce it yet. It seemed to me they were still in the development stage on this machine. Before they deleted the thread that JW started people were asking about the machine and how it was different etc. Some guy named KellyCoChris came on and stated that they didn't have a clue at this time as to what was different and would report back as information came in. Does this sound like a machine that is ready for sales and does this sound like a company ready to sell said machine when they in fact stated they don't have a damn clue about it ????
It was just a stunt done in very poor taste by Kco and the only thing that it achieved was to give the whiny people something to whine about.

 

[shoover]

It was just a stunt done in very poor taste by Kco and the only thing that it achieved was to give the whiny people something to whine about.

Really Gregg!! Between you and Monte I don't know who is more transparent. You both talk like your bought and paid for by Makro. All I've read here was how great it is to have a company listen to what the customers wants. And little smiley faces with animated hands applauding every time the company makes an announcement.

This whole situation here is BS. Makro/Nokta need to get their ducks in a row. If your going to merge then merge. You don't want to merge then don't But don't keep the consumer in the dark on what is going on. The company should have let us know that Nokta will still be building it's own line of detectors.

I have lost trust in both due to this and I don't care what quality products they offer. IF I DON'T TRUST YOU I'M NOT BUYING FROM YOU.

If you consider this whining then I 'm a whiner. I work hard for my money and spend it cautiously. I want the best bang for the buck.

 

[OregonGregg]

Shoover, you don't even make sense.

 

[jtalley007]

That would screw all the dealers and kill the trust they have been working so hard to build. Honest competition is fine but posting a lower price on what appears the same should get them cut off but it won't. Money talks, sad but so true.
Would love to see Makro comment on this.

 

[shoover]

Shoover, you don't even make sense.

Of course I don't to you!

 

[togg77]

What will it be, Knives,pistols,or bare knucks? LOL Hey guys we are ALL in the dark as to Who dunn it?? Let's all remain friends and When we find out Who,What,When, and Where we can do like in the old football days---11 on 1.

 

[Justin E]

I don't see an issue with Nokta and Makro. They're doing the same thing as First Texas. I can't say for certain, but I'm thinking this is more of a KCO thing.

Again, I know nothing more than what my gut's telling me.

 

[2 Much Trash]

Perhaps this is no more of an issue than F75 vs T2 is.

 

[Justin E]

Perhaps this is no more of an issue than F75 vs T2 is.

That's my thought, 2 Much Trash.

 

[Monte]

owned both and didn't care for the F75 at all. I liked the T2's Discrimination range better and other things, but also found neither of them did well at locking on targets like other makes and models I used, to include the Teknetics Omega, White's MXT Pro, M6, MX5 and a couple of others. The newer Fisher F19 locked on better than either of the top-dollar units mentioned.

One thing I do when I catch a lot of petty bickering or off-the-wall comments that don't seem to be well thought out is look at the poster to see how long they have been registered and how many posts they have contributed to the Findmall Forums. I also look back in the Search section to see their prior activity over the past year or several months they have been on the forums and read some of their other posts. Interesting.

As for the meat and potatoes that brought today's flurry, it was more or less one Outfit, or the decision maker at the Outfit, that jumped the gun and rocked the boat before the manufacturer (Captain) told them to shove off and set sail. That just made a few waves and irritated a few folks who were carp fishing, and maybe annoyed the Merchant who is trying to help some people get their boats outfitted and ready-to-do-business.

In the end I think the Captain will best deal with the Outfit and soon all of us can relax and enjoy life again. Me? I'll just go detecting and think of more interesting things.

Monte

 

[ronhob]

Hey fellas, why are we bitching that 2 new machines came out. I have a feeling this is just the start of all the new technology they are going to offer us. Let's play nice. At least they aren't gouging us like minelab! I guess you don't have to buy one if you don't want to. Maybe save your money for a year until all the cards are on the table? The way I see it, they are offering us many different options that the other companies are not. Do you really want a company that speaks with their customers on the forums? Maybe we shouldn't be bashing them quite so quickly! There are going to be hiccups along the way. Progress not perfection!

 

[sprchng]

Hey fellas, why are we bitching that 2 new machines came out. I have a feeling this is just the start of all the new technology they are going to offer us. Let's play nice. At least they aren't gouging us like minelab! I guess you don't have to buy one if you don't want to. Maybe save your money for a year until all the cards are on the table? The way I see it, they are offering us many different options that the other companies are not. Do you really want a company that speaks with their customers on the forums? Maybe we shouldn't be bashing them quite so quickly! There are going to be hiccups along the way. Progress not perfection!

I doubt you're going to be hearing that much from them in the future now. They've learned the lesson the other manufacturers have already learned. "Give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile". Look at the XP suggestion sticky where they've now got 10 pages of suggested changes to software---surprised no ones suggested a setting for getting the mail and walking the dog. It was entertaining while it lasted but there's really not any revolutionary technology at play , a least according to the testers who don't seem to have a dog in the hunt. Nice solid units with what appears to be a great value at least as long as the dollar stays up. Good competition never hurt any industry.

 

[FollowTheBeep]

Having a great interest in the Racer, I have been doing a lot of research online to keep updated with any available information on it. This whole situation seems to be a slip of information on what may come from Nokta in the future. There is nothing on the Nokta site that references the Impact. I have to deduce that it is something they are working on and informed KC about it due to possible concerns over lost sales due to the pending Racer release, as KC is not a Makro dealer. Since there is no official information on the Impact, it is all speculation at this point as to if or when it will be released. But simply by putting it out there makes people second guess their decision to buy the racer with the hope of holding out for the next thing. I recall Tesoro implied that a new detector was coming, and that was a year ago yet people still buy what is available knowing that something may be on the horizon.

While I'm not sure how I feel about Nokta lowering the price of the Fors Core. I personally wouldn't take the resale value into consideration since I don't buy a tool with the thought of getting rid of it before I got my value out of it. But that's just me. What does impress me about it is that they have made a comparable product at a lower price point, realized it, and adjusted the price of the older unit accordingly as opposed to raising the price of the newer unit.

 

[treasure_hunter]

Not sure what all the complaining is about. I didnt see thread nor know why it was pulled, The Impact is posted on Kellyco site. Nokta and Makro are owned by 2 brothers, it is simply 2 brothers that merged 2 companies into one family business, one company under 2 Brands. The company is like Chevrolet and GMC....

 

[amberjack]

time will tell with this brand, for now the F19 is doing just great

AJ

 

[TallTom]

Well, I'm no electronic engineer or detector designer, but I do know a bit about software.
It sounds to me like all the extra features in the Impact could be added to the Racer
via a software upgrade. Maybe a future Racer (near future, I would hope) will contain
these updates and others, too. Maybe a "Version 2 Racer" will be an available upgrade.

Just a thought.