What happened to the Nokta Impact Thread

[flbeachhunter]

Why was the Nokta Impact Thread removed?

 

[SavingThePast]

I wouls guess someone got slapped for releasing info that wasnt supposed to be out there yet...just my opinion though....

 

[shoover]

I think it was an intentional slip so Kellyco could show whats coming out to cut into Racer Sales. I already saw a test unit being sold on FB tonight. Someone is in damage control mode!

 

[oregon_dragonfly]

I see Kco pulled there preorder on it also, but makes one wonder which machine would be the one to buy? now that we know another one is out there. like I said before why would they make two machines that are so close in performance? other than it is a chevy vs., gmc thing. dfly

 

[Jeff (or)]

I think it was an intentional slip so Kellyco could show whats coming out to cut into Racer Sales. I already saw a test unit being sold on FB tonight. Someone is in damage control mode!

Those are my thoughts exactly!

 

[shoover]

I don't know but the Impact had notch discrimination,( manual) and auto GB and adjustable backlite timeout. three things alone the Racer dosen't have. All metal mode was described as super deep mode.

 

[goodmore]

I hope Nokta replies on a forum somewhere tonight about this. I will be cancelling my order tomorrow on the Racer.

 

[oregon_dragonfly]

so would that really make the makro racer more in line with the makro cf77 and the inpact inline with the nokta CoRe if they are sticking with company lines

 

[shoover]

No the CF77 had no VDI function just like the Nokta velox. The racer was more in line with the Fors. The only thing is, testers wanted the Fors to be more like the F75 and T2 with the display on the hand grip. But now with the impact, I am as confused as when they came out with the Racer being just like the Fors with a lower MSRP. Then they lower the MSRP of the Fors! Who knows what their doing,but I do know I just took a beating on my Fores when I go to sell it .

 

[JFlynn]

CF 77 a completely different animal. Very deep now but not near as good in trash.

 

[Monte]

I don't know but the Impact had notch discrimination,( manual) and auto GB and adjustable backlite timeout. three things alone the Racer dosen't have. All metal mode was described as super deep mode.

Notch Discrimination? ... There are a few types of "Notch" and we don't know which one the Impact is supposed to have. However, Notch Discrimination is generally a feature tailored to the desires of a Traditional Coin Hunter as they think they can eliminate more junk and find more coins. Well, they will eliminate more junk, but some coins as well. I am not Notch Discrimination fan, favoring a more Avid Detectorist approach to success.

Adjustable Backlight Timeout? ... No clue what that is, but I did read "• Custom Backlight with user adjustable on/off times" Well, 'Custom' compared to what? The Racer has a Target ID/Display backlight that the operator can "customize" to be Off at a setting of '0' or turn on with a setting from '1' to '5' for brightness intensity it uses. If sufficient target response is received the backlight will turn on 'automatically,' just as it will when in the Pinpoint function or when doing a Ground Balance. Also, if the operator just wants the backlight turned on continuously during a search, they can do that, too, by pulling the trigger and pressing the Down keypad.

Manual and auto GB? ... The Racer also features an On and Off setting. In 'On' the Racer is in the Auto-Tracking function, and in the 'Off' setting, the operator can use the automated GB method by bobbing the search coil with the trigger pressed forward. They can also do a manual GB by pressing the trigger forward and releasing it, which momentarily shifts to All Metal, then use the + and - keys to manually adjust the Ground Balance.

All Metal Mode being "super deep?" ... A lot of times words are added that have no real reference in meaning, such as "Custom." Custom from what? "Super deep" compared to what? Meaning 'super' compared with their Asian-made models? With most detectors, not all but most, the true Al Metal mode will get more depth than a motion-based Discriminate mode so, logic would suggest, that would be "super deep" compared with a Disc. mode .... just like the FORS CoRe, the Racer and most other detectors.

Other than a few little differences in the display layout and hardware, the only function I noticed the Impact have that would be of interest to me was the Iron Audio, if that gave me the option to have a lower volume [size=small](loudness)[/size] for Iron range targets, and a louder full volume response from non-ferrous targets.

Honestly, the few little differences I noticed didn't seem to necessarily be what would appeal to a bulk of the Coin Hunting hobbyists anyway.

I was fortunate to have another 60+° and mostly sunny hint-of-spring day so I was wrapping up my evaluation of the Racer. We don't have snow but do have some colder weather coming in for a week or two, so it's a good time to sit down and type up my Racer Evaluation tonight, then clean some recoveries from the past couple of weeks and prepare for the next arrival of detectable weather.

There are some worthwhile features on the pre-announced Nokta Impact, but I honestly don't see a game-changer for most avid detectorists. There was no mention by Kellyco if the 2-Tone and Beach modes had VCO audio, so it will still be a wait-and-see release. Until then, I honestly don't see a need to cancel any Racer pre-orders. It is a proven in-the-field performer and a great compliment to, or even a possible rival of, the Nokta FORS CoRe, all depending upon personal opinions.

Just my take on your post and the events of today. Now, it's time to finish cleaning house, get some rest, and prepared for another FORS/Racer outing tomorrow before the sub-freezing temperatures return.

Monte

 

[Hastings]

I think if the notch has adjustments to create a narrow window you could say reject aluminum while not missing too many good items.

Also I like the iron audio hopefully you can set iron signals to sound very quiet & the non ferrous should stand out, also I find reducing iron volume on other detectors to be less tiring on my hearing so I think that the Impact in these areas is a much improved detector compared to the a Racer

 

[Bill_S]

Honestly, the few little differences I noticed didn't seem to necessarily be what would appeal to a bulk of the Coin Hunting hobbyists anyway.

I may be in the minority here but I would take the Impact over the racer just for the fact it has notch discrimination. Assuming the operate about the same otherwise. I hunt mostly public parks or fairgrounds that are literally full of pull tabs, can slaw, aluminum foil, etc. I may miss some coins but on the other hand I don't have to listen to every trash target either.

I am curios also as to how the notch works. Is it one variable or can you notch multiple ranges.

 

[shoover]

Sorry Monte, I know what I saw and your second guessing me to protect your racer orders. I metioned what I understood, I didin't mention tone break which if this has adjustable tone break like it reads and others agree in the UK forum. Racer orders are going to get cancelled. You guys should be mad at Kellyco. Now we will see what kind of company Nokta/Makro is and how they take control of this mess. The way I see it they were gonna screw the New Racer owners just like owners of the Fors will loose out big if they choose to sell them to buy a new Racer or Impact .

 

[Hastings]

Seems to me buying a Racer is a waste of money if the Impact is the same guts with far more features for same price who would buy the Racer even if you don't need these extra features when it comes to selling the detector obviously the feature packed detector (Impact) would sell for more & be much easier to sell.

 

[kt]

If all else were equal but it has adjustable iron volume, I would take it over the Racer in a heartbeat. But then, I am obviously just a HOBBYIST and not an AVID DETECTORIST.

 

[Detectojer]

All the while Nokta/Makro is promoting the Racer they are developing another model in secret for Kellyco. why weren't we offered these new features in the first place. I'm glad Kellyco posted it because that shows the lack of creditability of both company's . I will be cancelling my Racer and I will NOT be buying a Nokta/Makro detector form anyone. I am going to stick to U.S made company's, they may not be as open but they don't stab you in the back.

 

[OregonGregg]

I can't put blame on Nokta for KellyCo's low handed tactics. The only thing that I can do, is not deal with KellyCo. If I need a Nokta machine I can go on Ebay and deal with another company to get a CoRe or any other upcoming Nokta Machines

 

[Sven]

Another Smellyco tactic to hurt sales of the Racer of their competition distributor of the Makro line.
Release leak of Impact info and take pre-orders just before Racers ship......................and Racer pre-orders can be filled.
Smelly probably told Notka, better give us a Racer model or we'll not handle the Notka line. Guess money talks?

I prefer the Black and Grey over the Black and Red.
Who knows maybe the Impact will be better for coin and jewelry hunters...................and the the Makro version will be known as the Racer Relic.

What about the upcoming Racer Gold? Is it really just a make over of the Notka Impact?

 

[Charles(Sabre)(Tx)]

Boy...the name...(Impact)...sure fit the response...didn't it. Makes you wonder if it was really true...or just a test to watch the "impact" on Racer sales. Just rambling....

Charles