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Vince Gifford will have to prove himself....................
- Thread starter Ivan
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BusDigger said:Dan-o- Fully understand/agree with what you're saying.....but.... if a new product is actually "improved" that's great. However, when it's simply repackaged with a cosmetic change or two, and hyped to death only to find the end user not to agree with the hype, has the company done themselves justice? If that backpack simply had some new zippers and snaps added, and the frame powder coated a different color, then the company blew these "improvements" out of proportion and claimed it to be the "Greatest Backpack Ever Produced", I wonder how many would take the bait? Those that did either didn't know enough to see there were no real improvements, or they were just "brand blind" and thought just because it had a certain manufacturers seal of approval, that it must be great. Seen enough of this on another board, so much in fact it's sickening to the point I don't even bother reading the board anymore, it's the same old same old, a hand full of people hyping a detector that isn't even released yet, yet they believe they have the knowledge to tell everyone just how great a detector it is.
Yep, couldn't agree more about that Detector that shall not be named. But it's probably going to be a big hit for them. Personally it really doesn't excite me. If I had the money I would be checking out a M6 to compliment my 6000 di pro sl. Maybe even a DFX with it's two frequencies. Maybe the tech part of them isn't a huge change, but they offer something different over my other detectors. That means Whites gets my cash instead of Tesoro. I would think Tesoro would want some of that green. Bells and whistles sell detectors. Why not put out some new machines to please the people that want the bells and whistles as long as they work as well as their current line up.
This isn't related, but I had lunch with a bud last week. I hadn't had McDonalds since I could remember. Once we were inside, I'd heard someone order a fish sandwich, and since I use to love them, I ordered myself 2. Getting my order & setting down, I peeled back the bun for a look-see. What I saw was a slice of cheese that had been ripped in half (possibly thirds) and put on each sandwich. Pretty cheap if you ask me, and I won't be eating there again. Dial soap is another....now their bars of soap are concave on one side, so you get less soap for your money. Instead of someone cutting corners as opposed to raising their price....I'd rather pay a little more instead of feeling cheated.
Been there, done that. Had a Big Mac several years back and it was terrible. I suppose my tastes have changed, but it sure didn't seem like the good ol Big Mac I had when I was a kid(you know when I was in my 20's) I used to love those Fillet of Fish sandwiches too. They were awesome. Guess I'm getting to old for that crap now though.
"Change" is a funny thing......and isn't always for the better
Smitty
I sure don't agree that technology is at its limits. Haven't you looked at some of the newer machines?
I believe some of the newer machines have got so advanced with options that without understanding what you are doing that you can do just as good with a turn and go machine.
But for those that learn and understand them, they will do better under certain conditions.
I think Tesoro makes a good machine, but will loss sales if they don't upgrade to more advance machines.
I know alot want to dig all... but I don't. and what a machine that will help me make intelligent decisions.
good luck and HH
Oak
I believe some of the newer machines have got so advanced with options that without understanding what you are doing that you can do just as good with a turn and go machine.
But for those that learn and understand them, they will do better under certain conditions.
I think Tesoro makes a good machine, but will loss sales if they don't upgrade to more advance machines.
I know alot want to dig all... but I don't. and what a machine that will help me make intelligent decisions.
good luck and HH
Oak
CladJunkie
New member
To quote P.T. Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute"
BusDigger said:Dan-o- Fully understand/agree with what you're saying.....but.... if a new product is actually "improved" that's great. However, when it's simply repackaged with a cosmetic change or two, and hyped to death only to find the end user not to agree with the hype, has the company done themselves justice? If that backpack simply had some new zippers and snaps added, and the frame powder coated a different color, then the company blew these "improvements" out of proportion and claimed it to be the "Greatest Backpack Ever Produced", I wonder how many would take the bait? Those that did either didn't know enough to see there were no real improvements, or they were just "brand blind" and thought just because it had a certain manufacturers seal of approval, that it must be great. Seen enough of this on another board, so much in fact it's sickening to the point I don't even bother reading the board anymore, it's the same old same old, a hand full of people hyping a detector that isn't even released yet, yet they believe they have the knowledge to tell everyone just how great a detector it is.
This isn't related, but I had lunch with a bud last week. I hadn't had McDonalds since I could remember. Once we were inside, I'd heard someone order a fish sandwich, and since I use to love them, I ordered myself 2. Getting my order & setting down, I peeled back the bun for a look-see. What I saw was a slice of cheese that had been ripped in half (possibly thirds) and put on each sandwich. Pretty cheap if you ask me, and I won't be eating there again. Dial soap is another....now their bars of soap are concave on one side, so you get less soap for your money. Instead of someone cutting corners as opposed to raising their price....I'd rather pay a little more instead of feeling cheated.
"Change" is a funny thing......and isn't always for the better
Smitty
Absolutely agree!! Personally, I'll stick with what I know and that is Tesoro detectors work. I took the plunge on one of those 'new can-do everything' detectors and tried to figure it out for the last 4 years. I had enough of it and sold it. Now I see they have three different versions of it, all packaged basically the same without any new technology....but claiming it's the "new, updated model." Ridiculous. And each model I notice the price keeps going up and up and up. For what? The same technology just hyped up differently? I'm not biting anymore on all this "new and updated" crap. I know what works and the Tesoro's work!
Sven
Well-known member
Yup those were the days when Mickie's and Bugger King tasted good.
They don't toast the buns any more that added some wonderful taste to the horse meat.
Last flame broiled burger at Burger King I bought was in Kennesaw, Ga, up here they
just nuke them like Mickie's. Wendy burger suck now too, they nuke them patties.
I remember those orig. Fish sandwiches at Wendy's they were big and tasted yummy.
They stopped those about 12 years ago (?) no they have these tiny fish squares made
of minced fish, just like the other fast food joints, and they don't even taste good.
Maybe my taste buds have changed but the food at these places now taste like crap,
so I only go there as a last resort and want to waste my $$. We have a couple Burger joints
here that make superb charcoal broiled burgers that are larger and thicker for just a little more money.
PS: Many places now use smaller buns to make it look like your getting more meat for your money.
They don't toast the buns any more that added some wonderful taste to the horse meat.
Last flame broiled burger at Burger King I bought was in Kennesaw, Ga, up here they
just nuke them like Mickie's. Wendy burger suck now too, they nuke them patties.
I remember those orig. Fish sandwiches at Wendy's they were big and tasted yummy.
They stopped those about 12 years ago (?) no they have these tiny fish squares made
of minced fish, just like the other fast food joints, and they don't even taste good.
Maybe my taste buds have changed but the food at these places now taste like crap,
so I only go there as a last resort and want to waste my $$. We have a couple Burger joints
here that make superb charcoal broiled burgers that are larger and thicker for just a little more money.
PS: Many places now use smaller buns to make it look like your getting more meat for your money.
I hope nobody is under the impression that I'm claiming some knowledge of detectors....lol, I have none. I do good to turn one on & swing it 
I'm just going by some other technology....look at cars, they used to be simple, now it's all computers & plastic. I'd take an old 60's Chevy with a carb'd 327 over todays new cars. I'm not saying Tesoro is the hottest, or best thing on the market, having just received my De Leon today, it would be silly of me to make such claim.
Just a 1st impression after assembling mine today.....
It's slightly longer (by an inch or so) than my 350 (which even has a slightly thicker coil), and the control housing sets a little further down the shaft (again about 1"), which doesn't seem like a big deal, other than I'm 6'3", so every little bit helps. I have to run mine fully extended, otherwise I'm tripping over the coil. I also like the locking system on the shaft/stem assemblies. No wobble, and no "wrapping with black tape" as a substitute for poor engineering.
I was tired from todays hunt (didn't get the De Leon in time to take though), and after eating too much supper, I haven't played with the detector yet, and probably won't feel up to it until tomorrow. I will however re-read the owners manual a time or two before the night's over. At this point, I'm pleased with the purchase, but we all know the coil meeting the dirt is where it's at. That will happen Saturday, so I'll have more info to form more of an opinion after that.
Sven- Like the guy who asked the guy behind the counter at the fast food joint......"where's the hamburger"? ....the guy said "it's under the pickle"
Smitty
I'm just going by some other technology....look at cars, they used to be simple, now it's all computers & plastic. I'd take an old 60's Chevy with a carb'd 327 over todays new cars. I'm not saying Tesoro is the hottest, or best thing on the market, having just received my De Leon today, it would be silly of me to make such claim.Just a 1st impression after assembling mine today.....
It's slightly longer (by an inch or so) than my 350 (which even has a slightly thicker coil), and the control housing sets a little further down the shaft (again about 1"), which doesn't seem like a big deal, other than I'm 6'3", so every little bit helps. I have to run mine fully extended, otherwise I'm tripping over the coil. I also like the locking system on the shaft/stem assemblies. No wobble, and no "wrapping with black tape" as a substitute for poor engineering.
I was tired from todays hunt (didn't get the De Leon in time to take though), and after eating too much supper, I haven't played with the detector yet, and probably won't feel up to it until tomorrow. I will however re-read the owners manual a time or two before the night's over. At this point, I'm pleased with the purchase, but we all know the coil meeting the dirt is where it's at. That will happen Saturday, so I'll have more info to form more of an opinion after that.
Sven- Like the guy who asked the guy behind the counter at the fast food joint......"where's the hamburger"? ....the guy said "it's under the pickle"
Smitty
dixiedigger57
Member
Tried and proven, Mr Gifford does not have anything to prove. his units work, are fixable, reliable. they are classics. i have been exposed to the big boys of other brands by friends. they always come back home to Tesoro. they will keep their old Nautilus machines too. Boy would i like to see a cross up of those two. But everyday use, they go Tesoro. the Nautilus will send iron through one side of the headphones, and non ferrous through the other, i like that. hear that Mr Gifford, hint hint. will be patient
Not to mention Tesoro has been around a while, and that doesn't happen without satisfied customers. One would have to think that when it was beneficial (for Tesoro as well as consumers) to make upgrades to any of their machines, failing to do so wouldn't be a wise financial move....and bottom line is they're in business to turn a profit.
Smitty
Smitty
GRAY GHOST
New member
Just be a little more patient, fellas! Tesoro has made superior machines for many years, and there's no reason to suppose they won't keep on doing it in the future. I agree with the idea that some newer models are overdue, and think the son will do just fine. Just be patient, i believe there's some good stuff coming.
dirt doctor
Well-known member
n/t
Oak said:
I sure don't think technology has progressed that far either. What do those newer machines have over what Tesoro already produces? A meter? A graph? Touch screens? With maybe the exception of the newer PI machines (White's TDI for example), the technology over all has not progessed that much. If you consider all the bells and whistles like programming your own hunting programs like Whites has, the touch pads/screens, and flipping between Relic/Coin/Prospect modes, the technology only has become "sophisticated"...or in my humble opinion, complicated. But that doesn't necessarily make it better. I've used one of those "advanced machines"....I wasn't impressed. The learning curve on these "advanced machines" takes too much time (for me anyway) and I'd rather keep it simple. Those "advanced machines" make a lot of noise and sure are fancy but my finds weren't any better than what I can find with a Tesoro. Some of my better finds were made with Tesoro before I tried one of those "advanced machines" and still are. I think I found less with that "advanced machine", I know I certainly did not find more or better items with it. I dug a heck of a lot more iron junk with that "advanced machine" I do know that!!
For instance a friend was invited to a place in SW Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. It was to hunt a place that had been well hunted but hassort of played out... so, they were going to hunt in the ivy and the kudzu. My friend thought that this would be a perfect place to take his F75 LTD because in BP you can hunt with it a few inches off the ground and not lose any depth.
So they went, they hunted, they both found the same number of finds... then my friend asked the other guy to check some of his signals that were hitting but were reasonably deep, 5-6 inches plus the ivy... the other guy was using the a Cibola with the stock spider coil and had no trouble whatsoever hearing every target that the LTD hit... no difference. My friend has sold his LTD.
I use a Tejon sometimes but considering some of the relic finds I have been seeing the Cibola pull.. I am tempted to get one to check out. I like my Tejon because I can set disc one on foil and it ignores all small iron but it hits on harness rings, padlocks, horseshoes, etc... I like that.
What VLF detectors need is a game changer... this has happened in guitar amp speakers. For years people have use attenuators between the amo and speaker to try to lower the volume and still keep the sound of an amp with the power tubes running hot... like an old Marshall or Fender Showman... which will make you deaf if you have to have "that" tone.
A speaker company has just come out with a new speaker design with a dial on the speaker magnet that will lower the efficiency of the speaker. This lowers the volume without losing tone, in particular the highs... that is what attenuators do, they lower the volume but if you lower it very much you lose a lot of the "magic" of a full on big amp. This speaker has changed all that and people have been trying for years to get a big, loud, amp sound at low volume, They have tried all kinds of really low wattage amps and attenuators but nothing has done it until now...
This is what we need in VLF detecting... something that comes from thinking outside the box... and it will come, and it will be a game changer.
Maybe Tesoro will come up with it but they don't need to copy everyone else like some are doing.
J
So they went, they hunted, they both found the same number of finds... then my friend asked the other guy to check some of his signals that were hitting but were reasonably deep, 5-6 inches plus the ivy... the other guy was using the a Cibola with the stock spider coil and had no trouble whatsoever hearing every target that the LTD hit... no difference. My friend has sold his LTD.
I use a Tejon sometimes but considering some of the relic finds I have been seeing the Cibola pull.. I am tempted to get one to check out. I like my Tejon because I can set disc one on foil and it ignores all small iron but it hits on harness rings, padlocks, horseshoes, etc... I like that.
What VLF detectors need is a game changer... this has happened in guitar amp speakers. For years people have use attenuators between the amo and speaker to try to lower the volume and still keep the sound of an amp with the power tubes running hot... like an old Marshall or Fender Showman... which will make you deaf if you have to have "that" tone.
A speaker company has just come out with a new speaker design with a dial on the speaker magnet that will lower the efficiency of the speaker. This lowers the volume without losing tone, in particular the highs... that is what attenuators do, they lower the volume but if you lower it very much you lose a lot of the "magic" of a full on big amp. This speaker has changed all that and people have been trying for years to get a big, loud, amp sound at low volume, They have tried all kinds of really low wattage amps and attenuators but nothing has done it until now...
This is what we need in VLF detecting... something that comes from thinking outside the box... and it will come, and it will be a game changer.
Maybe Tesoro will come up with it but they don't need to copy everyone else like some are doing.
J
jbow you make some very valid points. I love Tesoro and I hope it will continue to exist.............I once owned a Cibola and it continually beat my friends XLT for deoth. But I still would like to see a new more effective target id unit from Tesoro and I think I am not alone on that point!!!!
Again, cosmetic changes, in my opinion, or simply offering a detector with a different coil as "stock", do NOT constitute an "improvement"