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Using Polar Plot to Distinguish Between Types of Targets.

Lately I have been focusing on the different types of targets and how they look using the Polar Plot screen of the V3i. I noticed while detecting that it enables me to distinguish between buttons and coins. I have configured my V3i to make this the default analysis screen (trigger forward). I did not find the sizing screen to be much help since the audio in pinpoint mode is how I determine target size.

I had made a dozen photos using both the Search screen and the Polar Plot, but since I can only post 6 photos, I will use the Polar Plot photos only. You all know what the search screen looks like anyway. This bench testing was performed indoors with the Eclipse 5.3 search coil. All sensitivities were lowered to control EMI. Frequency used was 7.5KHz. Search results in live outdoor metal detecting situations may vary.

The first target shown is a Victorian era Sterling silver thimble. As you can see, the lines are straight pointing toward the northeast quadrant of the screen, very similar to a coin. One thing I did notice is that alignment of the target in the ground also has an impact on how straight the line is.

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The second target used was a Liberty Head nickel. Again the lines are straight with strong readings into the Northeast quadrant. Alignment of the coin has an impact on the display as well, but it is not as pronounced as the thimble.

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Target number three was a brass, one piece convex military button with a shank. As you can see the line is no longer a single strong line, however it still reads in the "good target" area in the northeast quadrant.

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The next target, a Zouave or ball button, had similar results as the one piece, only this time it was even more pronounced than in the previous scenario.

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Lastly, a typical CW era two piece button. Once again, the results show that the nice, straight lines have given way to doubling.

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And, one last target, a common metal screw, to show how a bad target reads into the northwest quadrant and has the double lines.

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As you can see, the polar plot is another effective feature of the V3i that can help distinguish between target types. I have even second guessed the polar plot and been wrong on numerous occasions. The polar plot indicated "nickel" in one case, but the sound was telling me it was junk. I dug down a few inches, and recovered a nickel from the soil!

I hope you found this information useful!
 
I hadn't seen much on the polar plot before now. Thanks for the comparisons. I am saving up for this detector and would like to see more information on this function. Looks to be a very interesting tool. Thanks
 
Was the audio good on the buttons Neil or might one consider the audio as trashy?
 
The audio on the buttons when they were buried in the soil was definitely trashy. They were fairly deep, between 5 & 8 inches. I did not check the audio while doing the bench testing. The headphones and external speakers were off. I will check that this evening.
 
What I should have asked is if the polar plot on the buttons in the ground help make the decision to dig or not? This is something I should spend more time on next year because I don't use the polar plot much, relying on the spectrograph, audio, pinpoint screen and the depth of the target to help me decide. The dominate frequency of best data seems to be of the most help to me for the kind of hunting I do. As I have stated before, I'm not a big fan of air tests, they seem to differ greatly with in ground tests but don't get me wrong, we need a lot more test data on the polar plot to better understand how it might help ID questionable targets. So far, I haven't found it very useful.
 
I've done quit a bit of testing with both screens, I use neither one.
 
rcasio44 said:
I've done quit a bit of testing with both screens, I use neither one.

I agree, and I rely mostly on audio myself, but there are coin shooters and jewelry hunters who have little interest in old buttons, and they would be more likely to use such a tool.

I am not much of a jewelry hunter, but I am curious to try this with rings vs. coins and other targets. I will have to use my wife's gold jewelry, as I cashed in all of my gold finds last week when gold dipped above $1400 per ounce!

More results will follow.
 
A while back I asked what the X&Y axis of the Polar Plot scale represented...VDI & Strength were my thoughts, but as I was looking at my original post, I realized that the Polar Plot is a visual representation of Carl's VDI "wheel", as shown below. Based on this, any targets that fall below the horizon on the scale would be either extremely ferrous targets, or unidentifiable targets which may cause the wraparound effect. On deep targets these would be good targets to dig. Just thought you all might find it interesting...
 
Neil,

Very informative post as usual. Were these all air test examples? I have found that the analyze functions of the V3 are really worthless on deep targets or targets in close proximity to iron or other trash. Since I am using an original Vision with the first firmware upgrade I don't have access to the polar plot functions. Just wondering if this still holds true with the polar plot? Tonal response and tone decay tell me more about a deep target. Alignment of the frequencies is my second check, and finally pinpoint frequency response. I do understand this would have some potential for shallow targets in jewelry. With coin targets in the 6 to 10 inch range I would definitely say that the audio is the key to start with. Thanks again for the time you put into your informative post.

Jack
 
What you said Jack, even for those that use the screens they are more accurate on shallow targets.
 
CyberSage said:
Neil,

Very informative post as usual. Were these all air test examples? I have found that the analyze functions of the V3 are really worthless on deep targets or targets in close proximity to iron or other trash. Since I am using an original Vision with the first firmware upgrade I don't have access to the polar plot functions. Just wondering if this still holds true with the polar plot? Tonal response and tone decay tell me more about a deep target. Alignment of the frequencies is my second check, and finally pinpoint frequency response. I do understand this would have some potential for shallow targets in jewelry. With coin targets in the 6 to 10 inch range I would definitely say that the audio is the key to start with. Thanks again for the time you put into your informative post.

Jack

I have found Polar Plot to be more responsive in general than the Analyze-Size screen. If there is a tone from the discriminate channel, I can usually get a Polar Plot reading. This was not true of the default Analyze-Size feature.
 
Now I know how those old analog meters worked!

Same principle as Polar Plot!

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I can't put my finger on it right now, but it seems to me that the raw phase chart is 360 degrees going from -180 to +180. -180 being -95 VDI and +180 being +95. -95 and +95 should be right next to each other in a 360 degree circle. Zero Phase should be Zero VDI I think. Others jump in, I have to get to work and will look into this later.
 
What Larry was referring to.

Fundamental to the V3 (and DFX, MXT, etc.) operation is the VDI scale. While this is sometimes shown as a straight line, with -95 at one end and +95 at the other, it is really a wheel, or circle, with -95 and +95 back-to-back, like so:

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Of course the polar plot would work with this model.
 
Larry (IL) said:
I can't put my finger on it right now, but it seems to me that the raw phase chart is 360 degrees going from -180 to +180. -180 being -95 VDI and +180 being +95. -95 and +95 should be right next to each other in a 360 degree circle. Zero Phase should be Zero VDI I think. Others jump in, I have to get to work and will look into this later.

Yes, and no, Larry. +95 and -95 are right next to each other, but zero phase is actually -95, according to the chart which came from the Advanced Users Guide. Keep in mind that +95 is also the VDI used for unidentifiable targets.
 
rcasio44 said:
What Larry was referring to.

Fundamental to the V3 (and DFX, MXT, etc.) operation is the VDI scale. While this is sometimes shown as a straight line, with -95 at one end and +95 at the other, it is really a wheel, or circle, with -95 and +95 back-to-back, like so:

[attachment 183235 2010-12-28_105100.jpg]

Of course the polar plot would work with this model.

Zero Phase would be at the bottom of the wheel.
 
You show Iron as having a positive phase #, is that right?
 
I really don't know for sure, Anne, AK_1234 stepped in before and straighted us out on this but I can't find it. Rob, can you find the past post.
 
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