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ToneID - Conductive or Ferrous?
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detectorbase
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Yes or vice versa. I was reading good on the conductive side of things, but ferrous would bounce from 0 to higher number or vice versa.
I want to try everything the same again, but lower sensitivity next time.
DB
I want to try everything the same again, but lower sensitivity next time.
DB
James N.D.
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is that a good target will sometimes be next to Iron and when it is, you will not get what you expected to get on the Ferrous Side. The Conduct Number will be good but I have seen good Coins read 15 Ferrous, 25-28 Conduct. So the thing is, you really have to go by Sound. If it sounds like it is good but has a higher Ferrous Content than what is the normal for Coins, best bet would be to dig it so you make sure you don't leave something good behind. Good Luck and HH.
hello detectorbase,,ellis hendrix here,mobile ala. i've had my se for about 3 weeks now and been out about 5 times so far.like you i have a problem with the tones,and whether ferrous or conductive.after sending mike(va beach)a pm concerning this,his info was to run all metal iron mask on,that way hearing everything in the ground and learning the tones.thats what i'm doing and i will keep trying that for a while.oh yes,run ferrous.(almost forgot that)since 1996 ihave been using the sovxs.it has iron mask built in,thereby much nulling.there is a multitude of info on this forum and i love every bit of it.really enjoyed your question on tone id..look how much info came back.i usually do more reading here than posting and learn a lot.matter of fact,this forum is the reason i bought the sovxs because someone posted the different sounds between a nickle and a dime.good luck and keep posting.
detectorbase
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I really have to thank everyone for their input. This has turned into a very informative thread!!
I'm going to hit the park again today.. and work on my AM handling again. The last time I was having trouble with AM and isolating iffy targets with pinpoint.
For example. I would get a iffy target. High tone followed by low or vice versa. Conductive reading would hit in the 20s and the ferrous would pop up and down. I would decide that I'm going to dig this target, and try to pinpoint it, and notice that I had possible targets in all directions of my coil in pinpoint mode. I don't want to dig a 8" square plug.. so I would pass ( I know where this is.. and will come back to this spot after reading replies to this )
Now, my impression is that could be why it was iffy. There may have been a good target next to a iron target and when I went to pinpoint I was picking up both targets. I'm using a 8" coil (5" would be handy for this particular target, eh?).
My question, how do you go about pinpointing iffy targets if you're picking up multiple hits in pinpoint that are semi-close together? Is there a method where I can differentiate the target before going to pinpoint. Also, I'm keep my sweep pretty narrow.
Thanks everyone!!
DB
I'm going to hit the park again today.. and work on my AM handling again. The last time I was having trouble with AM and isolating iffy targets with pinpoint.
For example. I would get a iffy target. High tone followed by low or vice versa. Conductive reading would hit in the 20s and the ferrous would pop up and down. I would decide that I'm going to dig this target, and try to pinpoint it, and notice that I had possible targets in all directions of my coil in pinpoint mode. I don't want to dig a 8" square plug.. so I would pass ( I know where this is.. and will come back to this spot after reading replies to this )
Now, my impression is that could be why it was iffy. There may have been a good target next to a iron target and when I went to pinpoint I was picking up both targets. I'm using a 8" coil (5" would be handy for this particular target, eh?).
My question, how do you go about pinpointing iffy targets if you're picking up multiple hits in pinpoint that are semi-close together? Is there a method where I can differentiate the target before going to pinpoint. Also, I'm keep my sweep pretty narrow.
Thanks everyone!!
DB
detectorbase
New member
I noticed couple things on today's hunt and had some questions (same park with basically same settings)
1. I would hear a good tone, repeating the sweep over the target and the tone would go duller (more ferrous) with each pass. I would back off, then sweep again. Get the high tone, then it would degrade with every pass. The tone was solid (not breaking). Is this common?
2. I think I'm noticing if I catch a 'bad' target at the edge of my coil, it would sing with high tone. Once I get over the target properly, it would read out consistently bad. Is this common to catch the edge of junk and it reads good until I'm over it. This is different than my first question.
My settings are now:
sensitivity: 20
sound: ferrous
iron mask: 29
response: fast
I also noticed that when I picked up the machine and went to another section of the park, my machine would seem very unstable. Using the noise cancellation appeared to correct this. I have no power lines above.. and as far as I know, no electrical interference anywhere. Even returning to a previous hunted section I would run into this. This seems to have started after dialing down the iron mask (I definitely don't remember this from before).
Thanks!
DB
1. I would hear a good tone, repeating the sweep over the target and the tone would go duller (more ferrous) with each pass. I would back off, then sweep again. Get the high tone, then it would degrade with every pass. The tone was solid (not breaking). Is this common?
2. I think I'm noticing if I catch a 'bad' target at the edge of my coil, it would sing with high tone. Once I get over the target properly, it would read out consistently bad. Is this common to catch the edge of junk and it reads good until I'm over it. This is different than my first question.
My settings are now:
sensitivity: 20
sound: ferrous
iron mask: 29
response: fast
I also noticed that when I picked up the machine and went to another section of the park, my machine would seem very unstable. Using the noise cancellation appeared to correct this. I have no power lines above.. and as far as I know, no electrical interference anywhere. Even returning to a previous hunted section I would run into this. This seems to have started after dialing down the iron mask (I definitely don't remember this from before).
Thanks!
DB
Just figured out yesterday why I was getting high tones on low numbers- iron near coins. Took my DFX to a spot I had worked hard with the SE and got several shallow (5" or less) coins with the DFX. All of them were next to a lot of trash. I have two years experience with the DFX and can pick targets from trash pretty good, but the SE is new. Gotta learn how to do it with the SE. Iron near targets messes things up.
Hot coil edges: Sometimes I get three tones as the coil goes over the target, one for each edge and one for the center. Kind of like being in a fight while drunk: punch the middle guy.
Hot coil edges: Sometimes I get three tones as the coil goes over the target, one for each edge and one for the center. Kind of like being in a fight while drunk: punch the middle guy.
like I can concentrate much better without all the noise. I go sloooowwww and listen for the high pitch tone to pop out of the nulling. I have hunted and still hunt with the CZ70pro and like the silence until a good target is located. That's what is great about the SE...we have the option to choose between ferrous/conductive sounds. What works for some may not work for others.
detectorbase
New member
[quote Bryce-IL]like I can concentrate much better without all the noise. I go sloooowwww and listen for the high pitch tone to pop out of the nulling. I have hunted and still hunt with the CZ70pro and like the silence until a good target is located. That's what is great about the SE...we have the option to choose between ferrous/conductive sounds. What works for some may not work for others.[/quote]
So you're not in AM while in conductive? Do you use iron mask?
Thanks!
DB
So you're not in AM while in conductive? Do you use iron mask?
Thanks!
DB
Iron Mask 22 or so. I also use the smartfind screen and click to digital to verify a target or vice versa. When I bought my EX2 a few years ago almost everyone including Minelab suggested using conductive/smartfind to learn the detector. That's where I learned and stayed until I got cracked riding my Harley one day and spent months going through rehab. I couldn't swing the Minelab anymore so I sold it. I am a trainer at my YMCA and finally got my body back into a fairly strong condition again. After close to a 2 year layoff I'm back. I purchased the SE a few months ago and spent weeks reading the findmall posts. It seems almost everyone...probably 9 out of 10 people...use ferrous. To a lot of new users that can be confusing because of the multitude of sounds.
When I first got my ex2 it seemed as though many experienced users were telling new ex users to start out in conductive/smartfind to learn the machine. Now however...when I purchased my SE..it seemed as though everyone was suggesting ferrous to new users...ME being one of them. This honestly did nothing but confuse me. I spent the last few weeks trying ferrous and honestly don't like it...BUT that's only my opinion. It obviously works for many users. Personally I still use my CZ70pro and like it because it's quiet. The SE is a different beast and is also fun to learn...IF you don't get confused...which is where this forum is wonderful. I have learned so much here. The key to the SE in my opinion is to learn it...then piddle with settings that work for you...but again learn it first. Ferrous/conductive is your choice and both work for different users.
When I first got my ex2 it seemed as though many experienced users were telling new ex users to start out in conductive/smartfind to learn the machine. Now however...when I purchased my SE..it seemed as though everyone was suggesting ferrous to new users...ME being one of them. This honestly did nothing but confuse me. I spent the last few weeks trying ferrous and honestly don't like it...BUT that's only my opinion. It obviously works for many users. Personally I still use my CZ70pro and like it because it's quiet. The SE is a different beast and is also fun to learn...IF you don't get confused...which is where this forum is wonderful. I have learned so much here. The key to the SE in my opinion is to learn it...then piddle with settings that work for you...but again learn it first. Ferrous/conductive is your choice and both work for different users.
I, too, have tried both, but learned the Explorer in 'Conduct', and when the chips are down (i.e.,when the tide starts coming in fast), that's where I hunt. However the concept is very sound...listen to all the tones. 'Nulling' does hide targets. I'm not giving up yet, though.
He hit the proverbial nail on the head...It MAY make it easier for SOME to run ferrous but for others conduct may be easier...Depends on how your own brain processes the tones. I think he also made a very key statement about once you decide on which one you decide to learn on, it is best if you stick with it, along with variability. Once you set it, leave it alone as switching from one to the other & changing variability will only complicate things & by constantly changing them you may NEVER learn to hunt by tone.
I've been hunting by tone with another machine for two years. It's not that hard to learn. It's certainly easier to switch tone types than it is to switch machines. Adjustments on the SE are simple compared to the other machine, at least in the number of them that you can make. The effect of those adjustments may not be quite so simple and that's what I'm working on. My biggest problem is learning how those iffy signals sound on the SE and adjusting to it's somewhat leisurely response time. Only continued experience, and reading posts on this forum, will solve those problems, along with experimentation. It's important to not get stuck in a rut when there may be a better way. That's why I bought an SE in the first place. The payoff?...increased depth. I've already seen that happen.
I wasn't trying to say that you shouldn't experiment & "getting stuck in a rut" is not a good thing I'll agree, but by switching back & forth from conductive to ferrous and changing variability while still trying to learn the tones that different targets will give you, I believe is counter-productive. If it works for you, I guess that's all that matters. For me??? I've been in ferrous since about my second week variability 10 and here it is three months down the road & I still don't have all the tones down pat...If you can switch back & forth & change variability & hunt by tone, my hat's off to you. I know some on this forum can & do use both but I have to believe that they've been with the explorer for years....