The Haters keep on Bashing our Racer!

[Sonnyd]

I suspect some of the Racers up for sale are from people that upgraded to the Impact. I have the Red Racer, Racer2 and Impact, and to be honest, I'm not seeing a need to keep the Racers now that I have the Impact, same with my F75 LTD2, their redundant.

I think you are Absolutely Correct, about upgrading. I traded a two month old F75SE for a Red Racer, and I couldn't be happier. The F75 was "sketchy" at best on targets and even with DST was too noisy. Everyone is on the upgrade train. I've seen like new AT Pro's with accessories for sale for under 350, and even ones that aren't that cheap are way less then they were before the AT Max was introduced... In my case my trade for the Red Racer was the Best Thing to ever happen to me.... I don't have as much time detecting as some on here do, But I've go 30+ years in... Still no perfect detector out there, LOL

 

[Sonnyd]

So if you don't praise the Racer as the greatest thing since sliced bread you're a "hater"

Says a lot about the company IMO.

Sometimes reality SUX doesn't it! Especially when people are willing to speak what's on their mind.

Can't say I've seen one at $250 but there is one right now at $270 that hasn't sold. A hint of the future R2 and Impact I think?

and it has a Repaired coil... How good was the repair??.... Some variables in that sale... Hope people stay skeptical, then maybe prices will come down, and I can buy a couple of each...I Love them......

 

[OregonGregg]

It was me that Bought the Red Racer with the "fixed" coil. My kid cousin is just getting into detecting. He had a cameo colored commando Bounty Hunter thing. I did the right thing....I broke it over my knee and tossed it in the dumpster.

I just wanted to get the Red Racer. I know what it can do and will be a good lil' machine to learn on. As far as the coil if it stays together.....good. If not it will get tossed. I have quite a few extra Racer coils, so no shortage there. So in the meantime, he has been practicing up with my Red Racer. I am taking him to an old ghost town Sat. and let him play in all the iron nails and rusted tin. When he heads back to CO. he should have a Red Racer waiting for him. I'll send him home with a few extra coils to use.

 

[Sonnyd]

Kool Greg... I doubt you will ever have a problem with the repaired coil, but like you say you got it covered. Those of us that know how good these machines are, aren't fooled by the stuff like, "sure are a lot for sale" or "they sure are cheap, must not be any good" posts... Like my first post when I got mine, less then an hour in a spot I'd hunted many times with the F75 and AT Pro...Bam, that Gold class ring. I know I won't be selling mine soon. I traded a machine I paid 700 dollars for, for one that I knew I could buy new for 400. I did it because the F75. did NOT work for me, and the fact that I offered it Shipped for 350, and it sat like a lead weight...only offer I got on it was for 250, and I had to drive 1/2 way (70) miles to meet the guy... I Love both my Makro and Nokta. Btw, you got a heck of a deal, but you already know that. I'm still Loving that NEL Sharp!
Regards Sonny

 

[OregonGregg]

Heck, I still use my Red Racer all the time. That lil Red Racer has found me some nice coins, a half dime, a three cent piece (nickel type) a really beautiful condition 1861S seated quarter and the list goes on. In fact, most the time now, I leave the Snake coil on the Racer 2 and hunt the trashiest areas, to utilize the iron audio feature and I have the NEL Sharpshooter on the Red Racer for the less trashy or fringe areas of a ghost town. On Red, with the sharpshooter coil, I just flip to 3 tone, gain 70 and put the ID Filter at 21 and swing away.
And yep that NEL Sharp coil is a mean little coil.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

He had a cameo colored commando Bounty Hunter thing. I did the right thing....I broke it over my knee and tossed it in the dumpster.

LMAO

A Red Racer for $250, for that price you won't find a better machine, and it'll turn a beginner into a pro in no time!

 

[OregonGregg]

Hey Brian how you been doing? Looks like you had a fun trip with Tom CA not long ago. See ya guys found some nice stuff.

But yep the Racer will make a great machine to start learning and he won't grow out of it anytime soon. Plus being a machine I use makes it a lot easier to answer questions etc.

I read your post on the other site last night. It is a lot of info to digest. So I will re-read it again tonight. ( And I thought Monte was the only one that could make a post that rivals War & Peace ) I can't say yet if it is making me lean towards an Impact or makes me appreciate even more the simplicity and performance of the Racer models. But it does sound like the Impact is doing you a great job.

gregg

 

[Sonnyd]

Another great thing about the Red Racer and that NEL Sharp is........It's Freakin LIGHT......my shovel weighs about 3 times more then the Racer, LOL......

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Hey Brian how you been doing? Looks like you had a fun trip with Tom CA not long ago. See ya guys found some nice stuff.

But yep the Racer will make a great machine to start learning and he won't grow out of it anytime soon. Plus being a machine I use makes it a lot easier to answer questions etc.

I read your post on the other site last night. It is a lot of info to digest. So I will re-read it again tonight. ( And I thought Monte was the only one that could make a post that rivals War & Peace ) I can't say yet if it is making me lean towards an Impact or makes me appreciate even more the simplicity and performance of the Racer models. But it does sound like the Impact is doing you a great job.

gregg

Hey Gregg, Doing OK, just trying to stay cool lately

I can't compete with Monte in post length, I just don't have it in me to type out the Great American Novel - lol Aside from the (poor) ergonomics, the Impact is quite a step up from the Racers. If nothing else, having the same modes as the Racers gives you the ability to run it just like the Racers, but now you have the ability to switch frequencies which has been a game changer for me. Add to that all of the additional search modes, and I cannot justify taking more then one detector with me (aside from a backup in case the Impact fails). I just wish the grip was more ergonomic as it slows me down, whereas the Racers are so light that the ergonomics of the grip are more forgiving.

Tom and I had a decent trip, but it was more of a recon trip then anything. It led us to research more old sites to detect and scratch a few off our list. We're heading back out at the end of July, I'm just praying for some cooler weather....probably too much to ask for in the desert in the middle of the summer eh?

 

[OregonGregg]

LOL I told Monte that same thing early on. If I bought an Impact machine, I would put it in 14KHz and set it up exactly as I would my Racer 2.......kinda defeats the whole purpose of buying one. Plus I guess ya have to consider the person swinging the machine. Hell, I'm just a dumb hayseed from Idaho, now living in Oregon. Simplicity works for me ( the Racers) Now you, your more of the geeky silicon valley type and the Impact is right up your alley ( i.e. Ya have a few more grey cells than me )

Monte told me awhile back, ya need performance and keep it as simple as you can. I 've followed that train of thought ever since. I just like to take my 2 dogs out, let'm run and I detect. If I find some goodies, that's great. If not it still was a fun day for me and the dogs.

 

[D&P-OR]

You (as in you & I) will do better when we get those Sniper coils for our CoRes Gregg!!!!!---Even if they're running at 15 kHz!!

LOL I told Monte that same thing early on. If I bought an Impact machine, I would put it in 14KHz and set it up exactly as I would my Racer 2.......kinda defeats the whole purpose of buying one. Plus I guess ya have to consider the person swinging the machine. Hell, I'm just a dumb hayseed from Idaho, now living in Oregon. Simplicity works for me ( the Racers) Now you, your more of the geeky silicon valley type and the Impact is right up your alley ( i.e. Ya have a few more grey cells than me )

Monte told me awhile back, ya need performance and keep it as simple as you can. I 've followed that train of thought ever since. I just like to take my 2 dogs out, let'm run and I detect. If I find some goodies, that's great. If not it still was a fun day for me and the dogs.

 

[OregonGregg]

Yep Del, I agree. Really curious to give one a try. LOL Sorry Brian for the poor choice of words. What I meant to say geeky= tech savvy

 

[Cal_Cobra]

LOL I told Monte that same thing early on. If I bought an Impact machine, I would put it in 14KHz and set it up exactly as I would my Racer 2.......kinda defeats the whole purpose of buying one. Plus I guess ya have to consider the person swinging the machine. Hell, I'm just a dumb hayseed from Idaho, now living in Oregon. Simplicity works for me ( the Racers) Now you, your more of the geeky silicon valley type and the Impact is right up your alley ( i.e. Ya have a few more grey cells than me )

Monte told me awhile back, ya need performance and keep it as simple as you can. I 've followed that train of thought ever since. I just like to take my 2 dogs out, let'm run and I detect. If I find some goodies, that's great. If not it still was a fun day for me and the dogs.

My old grey cells are getting in short supply these days

I hear you on simplicity, and it's one of the things that I love about the Racers, they employed the KISS mode of operation and due to a lot of behind the scenes work the machine's doing so you didn't have to, they work, and work very well. I'll probably sell off my Red Racer and keep my Racer 2 as a backup in case my Impact dies.

I've said it in the past, if my Racer2 just had selectable frequencies, I likely wouldn't have bought the Impact. It's actually one reason I've been kicking around trying out a Golden Mask 5+, for about $590 you can get the machine, wireless headphones and it's dual frequency (selectable), lightweight, carbon fiber straight shaft with piston grip, and does very well in iron, much lighter then the Impact. I'm very tempted to try one, these Golden Mask machines are quite popular in Europe.

There are sites where just being able to move your frequency from 14Khz to 20Khz is a game changer.

HH,Brian

 

[Cal_Cobra]

LOL I told Monte that same thing early on. If I bought an Impact machine, I would put it in 14KHz and set it up exactly as I would my Racer 2.......kinda defeats the whole purpose of buying one. Plus I guess ya have to consider the person swinging the machine. Hell, I'm just a dumb hayseed from Idaho, now living in Oregon. Simplicity works for me ( the Racers) Now you, your more of the geeky silicon valley type and the Impact is right up your alley ( i.e. Ya have a few more grey cells than me )

Monte told me awhile back, ya need performance and keep it as simple as you can. I 've followed that train of thought ever since. I just like to take my 2 dogs out, let'm run and I detect. If I find some goodies, that's great. If not it still was a fun day for me and the dogs.

These grey cells are starting to be in short supply

Simplicity is one of the reasons I love about the Racer series. Makro employed the KISS mode of operation, so it does a lot of behind the scenes work so you didn't have to. The Racers work, and work very well (at least at our type of sites). I'll likely sell my Red Racer, but I'll keep the Racer 2, that machine made a lot of great finds last year, it paid for itself several times over

If the Racer2 just had selectable frequencies, I probably wouldn't have bought the Impact. I've been thinking about testing a Golden Mask 5+, for about $590 you can buy the machine, wireless headphones, it's dual frequency (selectable), lightweight, carbon fiber straight shaft with piston grip, does very well in iron, much lighter then the Impact. The Golden Mask machines are popular in Europe, but with no dealer or repair center in the U.S., they've not taken off here.

There are sites where just having the ability to change the frequency from 14Khz to 20Khz is a game changer.

HH,
Brian

 

[OregonGregg]

I thought about selling Red at one time. But no more than I would get out of it, it's worth more to me to just keep it. Besides, that lil machine found me some really nice "firsts". So now I put the snake coil on the R2, the sharpshooter on Red and the 5.5 x 10 enclosed on the Fors CoRe. So now I can be more like Monte.........just put a machine on every coil........that's nonsense changing coils......that's down time that I could be putting old coins in my pouch

If you do get the GM5+, I will be curious to see your write ups etc about the machine and how it does compare to a Makro and Nokta. My gut feeling is the folks that make the GM5+ had better get up pretty early in the morning if they wanna get ahead of those Makro/Nokta folks. But then again the last "gut feeling" I had, Monte and I wandered around in Central Idaho till darn near midnight.......................

But all in all, I am really happy with the machines I have. Maybe add the waterproof machine when Makro/Nokta launches one.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

A machine for every coil eh? A guy could go broke doing that - lol

Heck I thought I stepped up my game getting a rod for each coil

 

[OregonGregg]

I looked at the GM5+, does come with nice coil options and looks pretty straight forward as far as setting up and using. It does have the 2500 mAh NiMH rechargeable batteries. I wonder if it is a removable battery? That is another reason I like machines that use AA batteries. If it goes dead I just plop in some new batteries and I'm up and going again in a few minutes......and everything works. The Deus concept of everything having to be charged up ( Display, Headphones and Coils ) and nonremovable batteries just didn't do it for me. To me it's one of those things, on paper, it looks great, but in the real world maybe not so much. I'm guessing that might be some of the reason for no small coils. Prob couldn't get a battery large enough in a small coil housing to last any decent amount of time.

Maybe next time Monte & I are out detecting, I'll work one of his Impact machines for a bit. In fact, I think he is coming over in the morning. I bought the lot/house next to me and tore it down. The lady that lived there, lived in that house for 65 years and she let the house get in pretty rough shape and I didn't want any new neighbors to deal with. So we have been detecting that and have been getting some Rosie's, mercs and lots of wheat pennies. Would be a good site to give the Impact a try/workout

 

[staffydog33]

LOL I told Monte that same thing early on. If I bought an Impact machine, I would put it in 14KHz and set it up exactly as I would my Racer 2.......kinda defeats the whole purpose of buying one. Plus I guess ya have to consider the person swinging the machine. Hell, I'm just a dumb hayseed from Idaho, now living in Oregon. Simplicity works for me ( the Racers) Now you, your more of the geeky silicon valley type and the Impact is right up your alley ( i.e. Ya have a few more grey cells than me )

Monte told me awhile back, ya need performance and keep it as simple as you can. I 've followed that train of thought ever since. I just like to take my 2 dogs out, let'm run and I detect. If I find some goodies, that's great. If not it still was a fun day for me and the dogs.

My old grey cells are getting in short supply these days

I hear you on simplicity, and it's one of the things that I love about the Racers, they employed the KISS mode of operation and due to a lot of behind the scenes work the machine's doing so you didn't have to, they work, and work very well. I'll probably sell off my Red Racer and keep my Racer 2 as a backup in case my Impact dies.

I've said it in the past, if my Racer2 just had selectable frequencies, I likely wouldn't have bought the Impact. It's actually one reason I've been kicking around trying out a Golden Mask 5+, for about $590 you can get the machine, wireless headphones and it's dual frequency (selectable), lightweight, carbon fiber straight shaft with piston grip, and does very well in iron, much lighter then the Impact. I'm very tempted to try one, these Golden Mask machines are quite popular in Europe.

There are sites where just being able to move your frequency from 14Khz to 20Khz is a game changer.

HH,Brian

For people like myself, who are not exactly the brightest stars in the sky, can you explain why 20Khz would sometimes have an advantage over 14Khz?

I'm genuinely very interested to find out.

cheers
Matt.

 

[staffydog33]

If you do get the GM5+, I will be curious to see your write ups etc about the machine and how it does compare to a Makro and Nokta.

+1

Matt.

 

[beachbandit]

I moist be a hater this thing is a dog.