So what's up with the Cazador?

[slingshot]

My thoughts are that users will continue to dig holes, trespass, leave trash, etc. and by the time ANY company comes out with the perfect detector, there will hardly be any place to use them. I hope WE change, NOT Tesoro.

 

[jld66]

maybe it would have been better for tesoro to ask for a name for the new coil than a new detector. seem like with most businesses when the founder retires or passes on and the children take over, it does not stay around much longer. sorry to say that, but it is a fact. i have seen it happen to many times. it would probably be best for all if tesoro did sell or merge with another company that can take the them in the right direction. tesoro does seem stagnant and in desperate need for good management or to give the current one a good kick in the butt.

 

[amberjack]

bit or strong PR goes a long way we are buying the company not the product for the most part. look at how big business sells they sell people smiles and ideas not products.

AJ

 

[Dirtdigger33]

Excellent point slingshot. The worst thing for me to see is a park, school or other place that I enjoy detecting closed off to metal detectors, because some inconsiderate individual to say it nicely didn't use common sense. The worst thing that can happen for this hobby is someone who digs holes and does not cover them, leaves trash behind or trespasses. We can have people who care about the hobby and try to protect it, and do good deeds, but those deeds are not as widely published as some of the videos that make it online of people doing things that make the hobby look bad. If people don't think we are being watched to see what we do , they are crazy. I make it a point to talk to park personnel and other facility management to let them know who I am and they soon see I am respectful of the facilities it has paid off. I also try to help people who are new to the hobby learn the right way to dig and the do's and don'ts of detecting where I can. I know of whole towns that have been shut down to metal detecting. I hope that never happens where I love or to anyone else. We need to do whatever it takes to keep this hobby alive.

 

[atomicscott]

There will never be a Cazador. Tesoro are finished for good, and are only sitting on current plastic molds, components and old glory. Even the new coil is the old coil.

Why do people still have it in their head that this company will ever produce a true new detector. They won't.

Finito...

Yep, It's hard to believe people are STILL talking about the Caz! It obviously is not going to be produced anytime in the near future (unless another company decides to use the name for one of their new models). I guess Tesoro user's (& future users) will have to be content with the current models. Hey at least the Outlaw was a new... oh never mind!

 

[atomicscott]

I will bet anyone a buffalo nickle ( no date) the next detector Tesoro introduces will. Be a PI. Any takers?

I do have a buff nickel with no date I would be willing to bet! lol.

 

[JimGilmore]

As far as what they do need is to produce solid machines that work well and can find as much as any other machine. Bells and whistles maybe sexy. But many of use aren't in this hobby for bells and whistles. I want a machine that has decent depth. Is not affected badly by the guy 20 feet away using his cell phone or a police car using his radio. Emf is only going to get worse and the FCC rules are they the detector has to Not cause problem but there is no rule that says the other things shouldn't cause problems to our machines.
I am in a small but busy city with a lot of emf sights here.
I like a machine that hits well on coins and ignores the shrapnel left all around the park.
My golden with the clean sweep coil out performs my gold bug pro all the time.
So I limit the gold bug pro to select hunts where there is less trash and digging for rings and jewelery is simpler like bark playgrounds and such.

 

[Furious T]

Yeh Jim, the Golden is one great machine for parks and such...I use mine with mainly the 7" concentric coil....it's a brilliant combination in the right places. HH

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

What I get a kick out of is how some users claim to have called
Tesoro and got the skinny on the Caz from Rusty, and that all we have to
do is call them as well to get an answer. Imagine if ANY company that released ANY product
used that as their primary method to convey info on a new product.
What I also find amazing is how the current Gifford son is completely silent.
No Facebook statements in years, and every 6 month's some new pr guy from Tesoro
pops in here to scold us. What a laughable situation. What is even better is how the Tesoro cultist
join in on the scolding and accuse us of being thankless consumers for not appreciating Tesoros current offerings but instead expecting a new wizz bang machine every few years. If that theory was true then we should all be thankful for our model T Ford's.

 

[ecoast]

What I get a kick out of is how some users claim to have called
Tesoro and got the skinny on the Caz from Rusty, and that all we have to
do is call them as well to get an answer. Imagine if ANY company that released ANY product
used that as their primary method to convey info on a new product.
What I also find amazing is how the current Gifford son is completely silent.
No Facebook statements in years, and every 6 month's some new pr guy from Tesoro
pops in here to scold us. What a laughable situation. What is even better is how the Tesoro cultist
join in on the scolding and accuse us of being thankless consumers for not appreciating Tesoros current offerings but instead expecting a new wizz bang machine every few years. If that theory was true then we should all be thankful for our model T Ford's.

well said.

quoted before the thread vanishes...poof

 

[jld66]

What I get a kick out of is how some users claim to have called
Tesoro and got the skinny on the Caz from Rusty, and that all we have to
do is call them as well to get an answer. Imagine if ANY company that released ANY product
used that as their primary method to convey info on a new product.
What I also find amazing is how the current Gifford son is completely silent.
No Facebook statements in years, and every 6 month's some new pr guy from Tesoro
pops in here to scold us. What a laughable situation. What is even better is how the Tesoro cultist
join in on the scolding and accuse us of being thankless consumers for not appreciating Tesoros current offerings but instead expecting a new wizz bang machine every few years. If that theory was true then we should all be thankful for our model T Ford's.

oh, i thought Nathan (tesoro md) was the son. wow, so the Gifford son in charge cannot even take a few minutes of his time to clear this all up. but, tesoro does care about us, the customer, and what we think? well, all i have to say about that is, actions speak louder than words.

 

[Hobo lobo]

I will bet anyone a buffalo nickle ( no date) the next detector Tesoro introduces will. Be a PI. Any takers?

It will not be a PI.
The Sand Shark is a nice entry level PI machine for sand and surf for which it was intended.
It was once said by a former Tesoro employee that Tesoro seriously needs to put out a new PI but doesn't have the ability
to produce an advanced machine. The Sand Shark is an old basic PI design.
There is not a huge market for PI's as most are specilaity detectors without discrimination capabilties . And folks won't take the time to learn how to use them.
VLF's are the cash crop.

Tell Mine lab that.

 

[D&P-OR]

Yep---Tell Minelab that!~---Have you checked Minelabs offerings lately??

I will bet anyone a buffalo nickle ( no date) the next detector Tesoro introduces will. Be a PI. Any takers?

It will not be a PI.
The Sand Shark is a nice entry level PI machine for sand and surf for which it was intended.
It was once said by a former Tesoro employee that Tesoro seriously needs to put out a new PI but doesn't have the ability
to produce an advanced machine. The Sand Shark is an old basic PI design.
There is not a huge market for PI's as most are specilaity detectors without discrimination capabilties . And folks won't take the time to learn how to use them.
VLF's are the cash crop.

Tell Mine lab that.

 

[thump7]

There is no 'skinny'. Now I remember why I don't put my foot into the cazador threads!

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1973467,1973467#msg-1973467
Here at the Tesoro factory we're always working on new developments and new ideas on the Next machines to bring into the industry. I would like to ask all of you to send us some feedback on any changes you'd like to see in the next set of detectors,

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,2113739,2114619#msg-2114619
This design IS real. It IS happening, and it IS the largest undertaking this company has ever seen. Now you guys and gals out there know that I can't divulge any real details, but we are still on track with NEW stuff going into this project.

So memory didn't serve me exactly, but they are definitly coming out with more than just the Caz.

 

[amberjack]

hours of fun reading

AJ

 

[Furious T]

Yes, AJ, riveting stuff; and, believe it or not, it has all been said before, ad nauseum.

 

[amberjack]

yes FT they will get here when they get here !

I did have a bit of a read through and couldn't help but notice most people who posted on that 1st thread don't post on the Tesoro forum any more, not reading anything in to that just an observation.

AJ

 

[Sven]

I will bet anyone a buffalo nickle ( no date) the next detector Tesoro introduces will. Be a PI. Any takers?

It will not be a PI.
The Sand Shark is a nice entry level PI machine for sand and surf for which it was intended.
It was once said by a former Tesoro employee that Tesoro seriously needs to put out a new PI but doesn't have the ability
to produce an advanced machine. The Sand Shark is an old basic PI design.
There is not a huge market for PI's as most are specilaity detectors without discrimination capabilties . And folks won't take the time to learn how to use them.
VLF's are the cash crop.

Tell Mine lab that.

The average person will buy a VLF over a PI to coin and jewelry hunt, or hunt freshwater. Probably 1000 VLF machines are sold to 1 PI machine.
I doubt you'll run out and buy a PI. PI's are niche machines.

If you live in Australia, S. Africa or where the booming goldfields are at, yes you will own a $5000+ Minelab, they are popular as they are just about the only PI's to handle the mineralization.
Tesoro doesn't have Carl Moreland, Dave J. or Bruce Candy, Eric Foster working for them so I doubt they have the capability to surpass what is on the market now. Or have the millions to invest
in PI technology. So they rely on their run of the mill Sandshark as their PI. It works well for purpose intended..................

If you beach hunt or surf hunt in saltwater you would want a general purpose PI, Sand Shark, DP, Whites, Garrett.

If you relic, cache hoard hunt again a specialized PI with large coils 15" to 3'

My PI is a gold machine, specialized for depth on very small gold nuggets and gold jewelry at max depth in mineralized soils. Average coin depth- silver, copper, brass comparable to a VLF machine.
It's not designed for iron, brass, copper, silver but will find it. Gunnar will tell you, just upgraded his Mirage to the latest version.

 

[Hobo lobo]

Yep---Tell Minelab that!~---Have you checked Minelabs offerings lately??

I will bet anyone a buffalo nickle ( no date) the next detector Tesoro introduces will. Be a PI. Any takers?

It will not be a PI.
The Sand Shark is a nice entry level PI machine for sand and surf for which it was intended.
It was once said by a former Tesoro employee that Tesoro seriously needs to put out a new PI but doesn't have the ability
to produce an advanced machine. The Sand Shark is an old basic PI design.
There is not a huge market for PI's as most are specilaity detectors without discrimination capabilties . And folks won't take the time to learn how to use them.
VLF's are the cash crop.

?ki

Tell Mine lab that.

ML has been producing VLFs for Yrs. But its the new $10,000 PI they can't make fast enough.

 

[lytle78]

As far as I know, the $10k Minelab GPZ7000 is availavle ex-stock from dealers. Doesn't sound like they have a problem "making them fast enough". Don,t know if they are "selling them fast enough" lol.

Great detector if you think you will find at least 10 ounces of gold a year - not many hobby prospectors find 10 ounces in a decade.