Question about Silver Umax iron discrimination.

[Macaco]

I'm curious about the iron discrim on the Silver Umax.

There's a video on the Tesoro site that shows that when the Silver Saber discriminates iron, it silences any audio signal on an iron target which is kind of neat.

I wonder if the Silver Umax does the same thing or if it's more like the Cibola where the iron can still be heard but it breaks up or splutters.

Thanks.

 

[Michigan Badger]

[quote Macaco]I'm curious about the iron discrim on the Silver Umax.

There's a video on the Tesoro site that shows that when the Silver Saber discriminates iron, it silences any audio signal on an iron target which is kind of neat.

I wonder if the Silver Umax does the same thing or if it's more like the Cibola where the iron can still be heard but it breaks up or splutters.

Thanks.[/quote]

I haven't really thought about that but I try it out soon.

I have the original Sabre, Sabre II, and new uMax.

Right now I'd say the new Silver uMax isn't the same as the old Sabres in this regard.

My old original Sabre almost never finds iron. My new Silver uMax finds every nail in the ground. I hadn't even thought about this until seeing this post.

Also I need to mention I'm using the Silver uMax with the 12x10 coil which could make a difference I think.

Both the Sabre II and uMax are killers with that 12x10 coil. I'd say it's in a depth category with the biggest guns out there.

 

[Macaco]

I actually like that though. It won't sound on small nails but it will on larger pieces of iron like bigger nails and spikes. The sound of iron is obvious though. It sputters, spits or crackles.

I like to hear the iron because I get an idea of how much metal is actually in the ground.

I haven't been using the Cibola very long but I haven't been fooled by an iron object yet. I have dug some crown caps, which give a surprisingly good signal but I don't mind digging crown caps because they're not that common where I hunt.

Aluminum has a pretty distinct sound. Pop tops and pull tabs have a harsher sound than coins for example. Every time I hear that sound and predict that the target will be an aluminum tab, it is.

 

[Monte]

there has been a pronounced difference between many Tesoro models due to the circuitry designs used.

The 'original' Silver Sabre and the Silver Sabre Plus had a lot more discrimination (iron rejection) at the minimum setting and thus many talk about how well they hunt in iron because they just don't hear much of it. The problem is, with too much iron rejection, regardless of make or model, you're going to have more good-target masking situations.

The Silver Sabre II, which was perhaps the best of the Silver Sabre series (there were four Silver Sabre models), featured the ED-120 discrimination like the Bandido had brought us in that size package. The ED-120 title suggests that it is an Expanded Discrimination which now adjusted lower to accept about 120

 

[Macaco]

Great information. I had no idea what 'ED-180' even meant until reading your post.

I've been using the Cibola for a little over a week now and at first I found being able to hear all the iron a little annoying. My Sovereign would null out 99% of iron targets so I would never even hear them. I think one disadvantage of that is that I never knew how much iron was in the ground I was hunting.

The other disadvantage is that with the Sov nulling constantly over ground with plentiful iron it's easy to miss a good target because the machine is working so hard to mask the iron.

After using the Cibola for a while I like being able to hear all the iron. Well most of the iron because even at minimum discrimination it masks small nails. If I'm in an area that is heavily loaded with iron I slow down so I don't miss good targets. With the Sov I would keep going like there wasn't much iron because I couldn't hear it.

There's no mistaking iron for good targets with the Cibola anyway. At least not yet.

 

[Pap]

n/t

 

[Uncle Willy]

Monte,
I haven't owned a Tesoro for some years now ( the Sidewinder was one of my last ) except for my Compadre. How does the new crop of Tesoros compare to the venerable SS II and Bandido II?

Bill

 

[Monte]

The "older" circuitry approach includes the wonderful Compadre, too.

The Bandido, Bandido II and Bandido

 

[Uncle Willy]

Yeah I was partial to my SS II and Bandido II. Wish I still had them or I could find a good used pair. Found a world of stuff with those two machines.Course my old Sidewinder was a goodun to.


Bill

 

[tabdog]

Hay Steve, I'm supposed to get a Cibola delivered tomorrow. What disc setting do you use to disc out small nails and still get large nails and spikes?

Any info about the Cibola would be helpful. Like when to supper tune and when not to.

I quit MDing about 25 years ago when I had kids and my old MD broke.

Two months ago the old MDing bug bit me and I got a Bounty Hunter QD II. Boy they've changed in last 25 years.

I wanted to up grade and have 2 detectors so I got a used Garrett GTAx 500.

The Garrett was a down grade insted of a up grade and now I'm trying to sell it and I'm hoping the Cibola will do for a decent up grade from the Quick Draw II.

What do you think?

You explained the responses from the Cibola very well.

keep on digging, tabdog

 

[margiop]

Hello Monte,
how much depth can you hope from a Bandido II with a little coil (I imagine a 5 or 7 inches one) ?

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Hi Steve,

I agree, the Cibola handles iron very well when not super tuned. Some people like "clean rejection" and others don't mind the partial responses. I'm used to the 1200 Fishers so a little noise around iron doesn't bother me at all. In fact the Cibola when set up normal (slight threshold in P/P and sens just into the red) makes for a great iron hunter IMO. Its quieter than the Fishers and just as good at picking stuff out of the iron with nice smooth consistent beeps on non-ferrous co-located targets. Unless the iron is large or really thick I bump the threshold up to about the 2:00 position and hunt away. no problem!

Definitely one of the best from Tesoro.

Tom

 

[tabdog]

Hay Tom, that's helpful info on the Cibola.

I noticed a sitting Liberty coin in your title thingy on your post.

I found a half dollar that looked like that 28 yeays ago In the Little Rock City Zoo. They had cleaned out the bottom of the old zoo pond. The sludge set in a pile for months. One day I noticed that they had spread the dried pond sludge out on the ground. I went over it with my old MD and found a pocket full of old coins. That was my best day MDing. I found silver dollars and mostly coins. The zoo is very old but now they won't let people MD any more. Around the turn of the last century there was a horse race track behind the zoo and you know a lot of thoes "big spenders" through lots of coins in the pond to impress people.

I wish I could get back in there with a modern detector.

I sold the sitting Liberty coin along with several other coins I had found.

I can't remember the date of the sitting Liberty half but it brought $75 twenty five years ago.

I wish I had kept the coins I sold. No telling what they would be worth today.

Any other MDing tips would be helpful.

Keep diggen

tabdog

 

[Jackpine Savage]

the nearby site of an old race track dating back to the 1880's was renovated for soccer and baseball fields. The grand stands and most of the race track were long gone by then and the area had been hit hard I was told. All of the topsoil was removed and saved in piles, the area then regraded for the ball fields and then the topsoil spread back out. Probably 5 or 6 acres in total.

Oh Man,, what fun that was! Barbers, IH's V-nickels mercs ect ect. My one and only silver dollar, an 1882 Morgan came from there. Some of the coins were in clumps of clay brought in for the old race track. They must have been throwing money at those horses.

Tom

 

[Monte]

8" with a Bandido and a Bandido II using a 7" concentric coil, but the deepest coin with a Bandido or Bandido II w/7" were two: A Chinese Cash Coin and a Seated Liberty 25

 

[tab-nabit]

Over 20 years ago I hit a hot spot along the side of an old horse track. It was so overgrown but the hill along one side was loaded with coins, good-luck charms and all kinds of goodies. Guess folks back then laid back on the hill for the best overview of the track. Targets were plentiful.
Then I found silver dollars in two other spots and worked it over and over till I found no more. Lots of other coin mixed in too.
This was all over 20 years ago. The places are still there but the properties have changed hands and now "No Trespassing Allowed".
I sure wish I could hit them spots again with a modern detector. Haven't had a day like back then since. Get less and less year after year. Them were the days....

 

[tabdog]

Got my Cibola last night. It is in new condition, no scratches or any sign that it has ever been used except the warranty was missing. As far as I'm concerned it's brand new.

I air tested it and it was respectable. Then I checked it out in my test garden. I had a mixed reaction, but I was tired so I went to bed.

This morning I decided to go relic hunting because there wouldn't be much trash. In about 3 hours I learned how to interpret iron and steel in several different sizes and degrees of rust etc. I learned a lot about foil, bullets from Turkey shot to a 12 gauge slug. No musket balls today. Darn! I found half an old horse shoe, and an old iron thingy I don't what it is.

I got a bite to eat and went to a 125 year old church that I first searched 28 years ago. The first coin I came up on, I some how knew it was a penny. Don't ask me how I knew that. Sure enough is was a penny. I was pulling coins at a pretty Good clip. I was digging a penny and out came a 16d nail? Did my new Cibola lie to me? I swung the coil over the spot and still got a penny sound. Dug about another inch and there was a penny. How about that. I removed 15 coins in an hour or so and got a deep signal in the parking lot. It is hard packed SB2 gravel, like concrete. But I really wanted to find an old coin. So I started working my way through the gravel, at about 10" I came to brown dirt. The signal was getting better and another few inches up came a pull tab. Darn!, that didn't sound like a pull tab! When I got home I emptied my pockets and noticed the pull tab was longer and thicker than any tab I have ever seen before? What do you know?

That may not sound like much fun to some people. But I'm just tickled Pink and I love my new Cebola.

keep on diggen

david

 

[digitaltim]

Did you try super tuning it? Probably not necessary, but I can tell you it turns the vaquero in to a sniffing beast.

and You prob will dig a bunch of weird aluminum........the new Tesoros love aluminum (I've been saying this a lot ) ;-)

Awesome detector though..congrats.

 

[tab-nabit]

LOL - The Cibola was my first Tesoro. I looked at the tiny little box wondering "Can this little thing really hunt?"
In a very short time I was impressed. Didn't take an hour and I was fully satisfied with it. Most other machines took me awhile, sometimes several hunts before I could say to myself if I really like the machine or not. Not so with the Cibola. It was fast, hit targets better than I expected, goes deep, and didn't stretch my limb; could hunt all day. It pounces the target so well that I wasn't using the pinpoint button. Then the supertune mode went even deeper. I was all smiles after my first test hunt. No little frustrations to work out later. Discrimination when used is impressive.
This little thing hunts. Easy to use. Quality in the circuitry. HOT Technology... It works and works...
That was January of this year. The following month I bought the Tejon. Then I bought the 5.75 concentric coil, then I bought the 5.75 widescan coil, and now I have a Cortes on the way (should arrive by this weekend - I hope) and getting the 5.75 coil for it too. Now I'm wondering what Tesoro might be working on for the market next. Oh -
Positives -
Negatives - - Should have tried a Tesoro sooner.

 

[Pap]

and being tickled is what it should be about!
Pap