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Personal safety while detecting scruffy areas

Fongu gave the best answer so far- he said listen to your "radar". My earlier answer of, "...my brain is my weapon of choice," was a poor one. Why? Because it was a terribly vague.

First: Humans are terrible at risk managment. What's worse is we think we know how to accurately manage risk, but we don't. Unless you are a savant, you are likely severely limited in evaluating risk. It takes a lot of thought, education and experience to accurately evaluate risk.

Risk management evaluates two things concurrently: 1) How likely is a bad thing to happen? and 2) How much harm will come of it? Getting hit in the head by a 1 inch meteorite is 100% lethal; however, the odds are unlikely you will be struck, so very few of us go around wearing a ballistic combat helmet to prevent being injured by a meteorite. Getting hit in the head by a bug will cause little harm; however the odds you will be struck is 100%. The risk of harm is so low that we think nothing of it.

The odds of being injured or killed when driving a car is fairly high, yet we have little fear of the risk when we should be more concerned. Most of us are more scared of a wild animal attack; that risk is ridiculously low but many of us overreact to the actual risk. There are things we should be afraid of but aren't, and there are things we shouldn't be afraid of but are.

Second: A person by the name of Gavin DeBecker wrote a book called "The Gift of Fear". It is one of the most life-changing books I've ever read. In it he details specific behaviors predatory people display, how to easily identify those behaviors, and how to avoid them. He and his colleagues have written several books over the years detailing and giving specific answers on how to assess and appropriately deal with various threats. In other words, risk management of potentially lethal threats -real threats- not the made up ones in our minds.

If you are sincere about wanting to be safer when metal detecting, I highly recommend the books listed on his website.
 
and a atta boy for Jim TN Post.. Smart thinking Jim...


Why just to prove a point would one hunt an area that is a known Danger area?? It's only maybe a piece of Silver your gonna find. Not worth your life, being maimed, or shot. Or shooting someone yourself.

In todays world you can most assuredly get shot by gang bangers, or just a couple of young guys out proving to their buddies they can and will shoot someone.

There are places safe to detect. Go there..don't ( to be blunt) be stupid..... [size=x-large]Think about it people[/size].... You put yourself in harms way often enough your gonna get burned..

No I'm not a wimp..in fact I am ex law enforcement ............... I do have enough sense to stay out of some places where it isn't safe to be.. One bullet can take the toughest of us down rather quickly.

It doesn't take a tough guy to pull a trigger ...........it takes someone who doesn't care and has no regard for you, or your life... and your there just because you want to find a piece of Silver or Wheat cent LOL
 
Let me say this,, we don't go looking for trouble,, I don't know how things are where you live,, but here in Oklahoma, we are always on the look out for trouble,
We hunt a lot in Okla. City,, because its old,,, you can get shot in your on home,, car wash,, walking down the street,, in your car..
Just the other day, a OKC Cop got shot by a man that he just wanted to talk to,, the man pulled out a gun and started shooting,, one bullet hit the Cop,, the Cop shot back, killing the man.
Down in Duncan, about 90 mikes SW of OKC, 3 teens shot and killed a man that was just out jogging, because they were bored..
Down by Durant,, in a small town, a teen aged girl, about 14, just home from school,, called 911 because a man was kicking in her front door,, once in the house,, he kicked in the bed room
door,, she was hiding in the closet, and shot thru the door,, when he grabbed the door knob,, the Cops got there to find the man across the street,, shot,, but not dead...
Her Mother bought a gun,, they both learned how to use it and what to do if something like this was to happen,, well, it happened, and the 14 year old girl survived....
Another young lady in another small town, west of where I live, shot and killed a man that kicked in the front door,, the young lady, in her 20's was home from burying her Husband,, the other
bad man, was dumb enough to call 911 and tell them his friend broke into a house and got shot....
Times are crazy bad,, so you better watch your 6.....

 
You got a load of great advice here. I've been sized up many times and always try and posture myself in a way that communicates my awareness without showing fear. Any hand tool like a Lesche or pointy brass probe is an up close and personal weapon. If someone is that close and threatening then I've made a mistake in my behavior to allow then to feel that comfortable. Pistol permits here are necessary to carry, no exceptions. I'm comfortable with pepper / bear spray for my woods detecting. I do less urban areas than in the past. Some inner city Hartford parks are best hunted with a partner who packs heat and we both carry radios. I keep up to 4 two way radios in my detecting gear tuned to communicate on the same band and noise cancel setting. The main thing is we want to have fun and no find or trinket is worth risking our safety.
I know really good detecting places in really slummy areas but good judgment must rule.
HH - Bruce
 
Canine said:
Fongu gave the best answer so far- he said listen to your "radar". My earlier answer of, "...my brain is my weapon of choice," was a poor one. Why? Because it was a terribly vague.

First: Humans are terrible at risk managment. What's worse is we think we know how to accurately manage risk, but we don't. Unless you are a savant, you are likely severely limited in evaluating risk. It takes a lot of thought, education and experience to accurately evaluate risk.

Risk management evaluates two things concurrently: 1) How likely is a bad thing to happen? and 2) How much harm will come of it? Getting hit in the head by a 1 inch meteorite is 100% lethal; however, the odds are unlikely you will be struck, so very few of us go around wearing a ballistic combat helmet to prevent being injured by a meteorite. Getting hit in the head by a bug will cause little harm; however the odds you will be struck is 100%. The risk of harm is so low that we think nothing of it.

The odds of being injured or killed when driving a car is fairly high, yet we have little fear of the risk when we should be more concerned. Most of us are more scared of a wild animal attack; that risk is ridiculously low but many of us overreact to the actual risk. There are things we should be afraid of but aren't, and there are things we shouldn't be afraid of but are.

Second: A person by the name of Gavin DeBecker wrote a book called "The Gift of Fear". It is one of the most life-changing books I've ever read. In it he details specific behaviors predatory people display, how to easily identify those behaviors, and how to avoid them. He and his colleagues have written several books over the years detailing and giving specific answers on how to assess and appropriately deal with various threats. In other words, risk management of potentially lethal threats -real threats- not the made up ones in our minds.

If you are sincere about wanting to be safer when metal detecting, I highly recommend the books listed on his website.

Indeed. My educational and experiential back ground has given me needed insight, particularly with ''street'' people. In years of working at ....................... treatment centers I've seen everything from a city councillor, a pro football player, a few doctors, lawyers, successful business men, prostitutes, frequent suicide ideation, and even a guy that killed his wife. He beat her to death and laid her in the tub in a drunken rage. Young bangers, on and on. This is just the surface though to some much darker things that I have heard, but will never repeat. I have a strong B.S. radar and body language is a fraction of my training. But I, and people that I work with, still get duped now and then. It happens to everyone that cares about sick people and tries to give the benefit of the doubt.........while still maintaining personal boundaries. I appreciate everyone's input and I think that we all pretty much on the same page here.
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That is interesting. I totally thought of you from a different perspective. Making me rethink my ideas of how to deal with threats. After hearing from you and others on this thread, if I ever get into a different environment, I am going to make a concerted, more cautious effort to be safe. Even now I'm re-evaluating my current ideas of what I think is safe.

Interesting.
 
My uncle and I use to hunt the beach at night, still do sometimes, You would be surprised to find out how a good stainless steel scoop can be used to fight someone off, they are sharp and will do lots of damage. . Grubstake
 
Interesting subject. I'm lucky enough to live in a resort town in the country where there are few and small "bad" neighborhoods. As a result, I have many places to hunt without having to go into those areas.

While in the service in my younger days, my friends and I got involved in a bar fight. My CO (who happened to be a black man) called me in and read the riot act to me saying, "THAT is not to happen again". Of course I was all defensive saying that it wasn't my fault, we were jumped, etc. But he said it WAS my fault because I was where I shouldn't have been and the ONLY way to keep it from happening again is to not go to those places, bury my ego, and turn and walk away quickly the next time I see trouble brewing. (If Travon Martin had received that advice, he'd still be alive.)

That said though, I understand that there are times when trouble may find you. These punks are looking at you like a pride of lions. They want your stuff without getting hurt themselves so they're looking for signs that they can overpower you, take your stuff, and be gone before the police arrive.

I like the suggestions of eye contact and displaying the blade of your digging tool. It shows that you're not going down easily and If nothing else is sure to slow them down and make them reassess their plans. Chances are they'll leave and find an easier target. Another ploy that may help is to put your cell phone to your ear and start talking like you're calling for reinforcements.

If you're old and frail and limp around like Gabby Hayes, then I would absolutely take the advice of my old CO and not go into those areas.

Good luck, stay safe, and HH.
 
Depending on your choice of detecting areas.

All I can say is if you feel that piece of Silver or Wheat cent is worth the risk. Go for it !!

If you feel your a tough "Guy" and must prove a point go for it !!

If you have no regard for your safety. Then nothing myself or anyone else can say will change your mind....

If your mind set is "NO One, or anything" is going to dictate what I do and where I do it then good luck with that...

I hope you do not get Hurt. Or have to hurt someone else while your exercising those rights. But my friends I can and will say this...You can put yourself in some unnecessary situations .......

Our young have become in many areas ruthless............ Our inner cities have become crime laden and law enforcement can only go so far..

Use your judgment............. know what you can do to protect yourself. And may you be as tough as you think you are should the situation arise. No one really wins in a confrontation. In fact you by being there are as much a source of the problem if you know it's a risky area, as the ones you perceive as the "BAD" guys.... who are there to rob, shoot, or what ever they feel like in the moment.
 
Elton, I understand what you're saying but here's my world. Where I live if I want to only hunt in absolutely the lowest crime areas there's maybe 2 modern parks and some very overhunted beaches in daylight. Everything else borders rough areas or is in outright bad areas. The outright bad spots I avoid. The others you can safely hit in the mornings usually or with a partner. Old properties are almost always in rough areas, We occasionally can get on one but not often. When we do we don't go alone and we go early. I hunt with people I trust to watch me and I watch them. I actually prefer places with no one around but they are not easy to find.

Rural areas here have poisonous snakes, some aggressive, feral hogs, gators, black bears, poisonous spiders, etc oh and our latest addition large boa constrictors. Then there's the pot farmers and meth cookers who show up occasionally.

Now throw in my wife who spent close to a decade in a wheelchair. You know what that means? Criminal target anywhere you go. Had three close calls. One officer I knew even advised me to consider a ballistic vest. As he put it more then most civilians caring for and protecting my wife ANYWHERE put me at highly increased risk, especially as retreat was not an option. Now she is better and mobile but still I'm her protector as she has some limitations.

Crime here like many places happens everywhere, every neighborhood. Most home invasions happen in better neighborhoods in fact. While our crime rate is the lowest in decades the violence level has increased when it occurs. We are a well armed state with excellent self defense laws. That is directly linked to the decrease in crime.

I have several friends who are police officers currently, I keep well appraised of what's going on. I'm armed not for any ego trip or because I think I'm tough. I had years of martial arts again not because I think it made me a bad ass but because I happened to enjoy it. I enjoy shooting drills as much as well. Been known to burn 4 to 5 hundred rounds a month. That doesn't make me think I'm a tough guy either, I don't consider myself anything special.

But I refuse to live my life in fear of everyone and everything. I pick what I do and am concious of how I do it. To live in fear is to surrender to those who would pull civilization down around our ears. I've seen the worst. Nine hurricanes including a Cat 5 and the absolute mayhem that followed. I've also seen some of the best. I go prepared as best I can in life and live it without fear as much as possible. I don't bother others and expect the same in return. If trouble comes then I will deal with it as best I can, I already have on several occasions.

It's not about a piece of silver or copper or something like that, it's about living. I don't take stupid chances but then just driving on a highway is dangerous any more. I live my life as much as I can but living entails some risk.

I'll get off my soapbox now!
 
I will put it another way,,,, people are not safe now days !!!

An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-okla-teens-charged-in-thrill-kill-of-aussie-baseball-player/

Oklahoma girl, 12, shoots home intruder while hiding in closet
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/home-girl-12-shoots-intruder-article-1.1188229

Blanchard woman shoots, kills intruder
http://newsok.com/blanchard-woman-shoots-kills-intruder/article/3636876

Officer shot, suspect dead in NW Oklahoma City shootout
http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/okc/possible-officerinvolved-shooting-near-hefner-and-western/-/11777584/23758816/-/xvudgx/-/index.html#mid=17698648




These people thought they were safe..

We don't go into Bad areas,,, what I am saying is,,, you never know when something bad can happen,, be on the look out,, keep an eye on what is happening around you..





 
BJ my response wasn't a direct answer to you. I just hit the reply area by error.. Mine was a in General post

I think you did a great job of posting the sad but true facts of what goes on in todays world.. It's not safe many, many times.......... but some here seem to take that as a challenge to their manhood or something.

I find that hard to condone my friend.. Common sense isn't cowardice !
 
The odds of getting bit by a shark is super low. However, the odds go up sustainably if you leave the safety of dry land and get into the water with them.:)

I was voted the most outstanding fighter in the mid-south during my teen years by the coaches of four states. Some said I had a lot of heart and some said I had natural kill instinct in the ring. I felt invincible in and out of the ring. As I got older, I got wiser. I realize that I can't fight off a bullet or a gang of thugs. If you go into a high crime area to do some detecting without a gun, you're putting your life in the hands of some lowlife thugs. That's not a happy thought. On a brighter note, they can only kill you one time.:)

tabman
 
As stated we each can only make our own decision .........


........................... if your comfortable that is all that counts.
 
Interesting subject. I like the idea of carrying a pepper spay pistol and was wondering what the law is for carrying a pellet pistol. You can get those that carry a .177 pellet and I think can shot up to 900 6 round burst with the air canister. Not sure though. I bet those babies would put out a good sting or more on targets . I'll have to read up on that. There is a fellow who post on Finds Forum that sells them. If you need his site send me a PM and I'll give his site. Can't post his site because of forum rules.
 
A few years back I was searching a ball park at a school. I had parked my car in the parking lot and I was quite a ways away from it when I looked toward my car and saw another car parked next to mine. Three guys were walking around my car trying to open the doors. They didn't see me watching. I called 911 on my cell phone and ask for help, explaining what was going down. One of the guys happen to see me and they started walking in my direction. I have to admit I was begining to get worried. They were about half way between my car and me when a police car drove in.He drove across the field and stopped next to the three guys. They turned around and headed back to their car. The policeman drove over to where I was and I explained what had happened and he told me that I did the right thing because these guys had been trouble in the past. I had to fill out a report but it was worth the trouble. I have never returned to that field and if I did it would be with a partner and my cell phone. Don't be afraid to make that call if you feel you may be in danger.
 
Do some checking on that Pellet gun,, because here,, even a BB gun is classified as a fire arm....
A man down the street from me, got a ticket for discharging a fire arm in the City Limits, bb gun,,
the man across the street, his son got the police called on him in another town,, same thing..bb gun..

Makes me wonder about a nail gun...
 
Blink, smart thinking. It's better to call sooner than later. Besides the police are riding around looking for trouble anyway. It never hunts point them in the right direction.

If you had left your Cell Phone in the car you'd been in a world of hurt. For those who don't know better, KEEP YOUR CELL PHONE ON YOU!

tabman
 
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