Oh no, the Outlaw is doing it again..:thumbdown:

[happycamper08]

Before you sell it you should send it in to be repaired. You will have a little time to calm down and think about what you want to do and if you do decide to get rid of it you won't be selling a bad machine to someone else. Nobody whants that reputation.

 

[dan b]

I'm guessing any prospective buyers have probably already read this. I agree, send it in and if you still want to sell you will have a much easier time.

Dan

 

[GroundScanner]

I would offer a trade for you but knowing that it could have a problem with it and you won't send it back to tesoro i think who ever gets it is going to be screwed. Not good PR. That being said i feel it is better to buy new then used. Even if its 1/2 the price.

 

[Idxpro]

I went to a local club meet yesterday and met with two others who also own the Outlaw. Here are a few things I learned yesterday. I hunt with very low disc, say just above iron. If the pp button is pushed while in that low of disc, she will overload and go nuts. To demonstrate this, one of them had me set my disc to zinc and then push pp. It worked fine. I was puzzled. He then had me toggle to A/M while still disc around zinc. No problem. Then he tells me to roll the disc back slowly, and when it got near 9 o:clock position it started blarring. He said the disc almost becomes a sensitivity control and pp button will not work with such a low disc. I never knew this since I like to hunt 90% of the time with low disc. So my overloading isn't my machine, it's all Outlaws. This explains why sometimes it wouldn't happen and it was because I had a higher disc setting, I just never associated it with the disc. As for deep tabs sounding like coins, they both agreed. Issues with rusty iron, only one agreed, but he also only uses the 12x10 coil, which I agree is the best disc of the three coils. Does all this sound like your Outlaws as well?

 

[Idxpro]

I know Gunnar, Razerback, and myself touched on this a while ago. I think Gun revealed that moving the disc while in all metal had some overloading effects so I made a point to not mess with it while in disc, I just never realized having to low of a disc and pinpointing was the cause of my overloading. I just searched for that thread Gun but can't seem to find it.

 

[tabman]

I guess I need some pointers, because as hard as I try I can't make my Outlaw act up. I put the toggle switch in the discrimination mode, I turned the threshold up enough to get a steady hum and I set the discrimination to its minimum setting. The pinpoint button on mine worked flawlessly. I tried all kinds of different settings and my Outlaw won't act up.

What settings do I need to use to duplicate what idxpro is experiencing?

Also, there being a change in the threshold while turning the discrimination knob when the Outlaw is in the no motion all metal mode is normal.

tabman

 

[Hombre]

Hey tabman,

I offered idxpro a temporary detector swap so I could see for myself what is going on with his Outlaw.

I made it clear that I wanted my Bandido ll (old style) traded back when we were done comparing.

We PM'd each other about the swap and he said he would trade detectors after Tesoro did a check up on his Outlaw.

I see that he has it up for trade now, so I guess I will not get to test out his Outlaw.

I really wanted to test the Outlaw as I have a Bandido ll

 

[tabman]

Hey tabman,

I offered idxpro a temporary detector swap so I could see for myself what is going on with his Outlaw.

I made it clear that I wanted my Bandido ll (old style) traded back when we were done comparing.

We PM'd each other about the swap and he said he would trade detectors after Tesoro did a check up on his Outlaw.

I see that he has it up for trade now, so I guess I will not get to test out his Outlaw.

I really wanted to test the Outlaw as I have a Bandido ll

 

[atomicscott]

Typical of Tesoro, unnecessarily turning knobs. Like thumbing the disc to ID a target, or having to turn down the threshold on the Vaquero in order to use pinpoint cause the pinpoint button is only a momentary switch that puts it in AM mode. Someone should have though of these things in the design process

 

[Idxpro]

I guess I need some pointers, because as hard as I try I can't make my Outlaw act up. I put the toggle switch in the discrimination mode, I turned the threshold up enough to get a steady hum and I set the discrimination to its minimum setting. The pinpoint button on mine worked flawlessly. I tried all kinds of different settings and my Outlaw won't act up.

What settings do I need to use to duplicate what idxpro is experiencing?

Also, there being a change in the threshold while turning the discrimination knob when the Outlaw is in the no motion all metal mode is normal.

tabman

Now i am really confused. You get a steady hum on the thresh while in disc mode?

 

[tabman]

I guess I need some pointers, because as hard as I try I can't make my Outlaw act up. I put the toggle switch in the discrimination mode, I turned the threshold up enough to get a steady hum and I set the discrimination to its minimum setting. The pinpoint button on mine worked flawlessly. I tried all kinds of different settings and my Outlaw won't act up.

What settings do I need to use to duplicate what idxpro is experiencing?

Also, there being a change in the threshold while turning the discrimination knob when the Outlaw is in the no motion all metal mode is normal.

tabman

Now i am really confused. You get a steady hum on the thresh while in disc mode?

Sorry about that. Set the threshold in the all metal mode and then switch over to the discriminate mode.

I know on my detector where the slight hum point is located without having to flip to the all metal mode.

tabman

 

[tabman]

Typical of Tesoro, unnecessarily turning knobs. Like thumbing the disc to ID a target, or having to turn down the threshold on the Vaquero in order to use pinpoint cause the pinpoint button is only a momentary switch that puts it in AM mode. Someone should have though of these things in the design process

If you're having to turn down the threshold in order to pinpoint, you have the threshold set too high to begin with.

I very seldom thumb the discriminate knob. I set it as low as I can tolerate.

If you want to just shoot for silver coins turn up the discrimination to a point where zinc pennies are just starting to break up.

With that setting I have dug deep mercury dimes and wheat pennies using Grey Ghost Headphones.

tabman

 

[Idxpro]

Ok, that makes sense. I never really mess with my threshold either. A slight hum on mine is just past noon. I also read on another site that you can't turn it on in disc mode? I know the manual says to turn on in auto but does it really make a difference how the unit is fired up? Tab, after getting it to your typical setting, turn the disc all the way down. Does it blast your ears off when you push the pp? Does it overload and stay in all metal when you let go? Again, this only happens with a low disc setting, I think..

 

[tabman]

Idxpro, my Outlaw doesn't do any of that. You need to send yours in for surgery.

Yeah, it's important to start up in the all metal mode or the discrimination mode will be de-tuned. I just fire mine up and raise the coil out in front me and push the pin point button all the way in. It does the same thing and is quicker. I hardly ever use the pinpoint button, because x-ing the target is faster and easier for me.

tabman

 

[dan b]

I seldom thumb the disc on my Vaquero. I also run the threshold at a level that allows the PP to function. When I do run super-tuned I don't bother pinpointing. I just x the target. I don't find that I'm fiddling with knobs very often. When I read on other forums about all the settings and programs people have to remember and figure out, it makes me glad I have a few knobs I can set and forget.

To each their own.

Dan

 

[Idxpro]

I'm going to keep posting keeping this thread at the top. We need everyone who owns the Outlaw to contribute. I know I benefit from everyones input on the Outlaw. As for my machine, she will be taking another trip to the factory for a checkup, although i'm not convinced she is broken. More users of this machine are experiencing the same symptoms than users who are not. Gunnar has demonstrates in his video the blaring overload while in am when the disc is turned down as have others on other forums. Could the internal sensitivity pot be set a little to hot on some? Tab, what does your disc effect in all metal no motion? Does it change anything at all? Mine acts just like a sensitivity control when in am pp. Very, very, noticeable. Gunnar has also experienced this as well. The old timer last night also agrees, only he says this is normal.

I hope this thread keeps going with all the Outlaw guys. I'm sure there are at least 20 people on here who own this machine. Let's hear your thoughts. Do any of yours do any of this stuff. If not, what does it do when you attempt what he have discussed in this thread? Hell, there are threads two bazillion posts long dedicated to other machines, let's do the same. See, i'm not the type of person to just go "oh well, it's not right, send her in". I love knowledge. I like to hear others input, experiences, and results, when attempting the same procedures. I'm passionate about everything I do. No sense doing anything your not passionate about, right?

Fred

 

[tabman]

Idxpro, you're taking two different things and combining them. Turning the discrimination knob on both the Outlaw and Bandido II

 

[Idxpro]

Tab, when you say normal, can you turn the disc all the way down and still hunt without it blaring while in all metal non motion? Not that it should matter because all metal is all metal but what happens is if i'm in disc mode with a very low disc setting, I like to switch to am to check my target. I could care less if had a pp or not, as I never use the pp feature. So again, if I switch to am to check my target and my disc is real low, she overloads, even if I switch via the button or the toggle. My disc needs to be around 11 o:clock or more for this not to happen. As for staying in am, It has been back for a repair once already, and the button was fine, they just tuned it up I guess. Like I said, she is going back again but I want to video all of this happening for you guys to see it in action before she goes for a ride.

Now don't get me wrong Tab, I love the weight of this thing, I love it's super attraction to the gold range, and the coil selections available. What I'm having a hard time with is the silver/copper range. Now even when she came back, it was just never a really good silver machine. I have used it non stop since October of last year and really love swinging it, but am getting worried the silver/copper range just isn't it's strength. If that is the case, i'm ok with it, I will simply keep it as my jewelry machine. What I want to do this weekend is get some video of a few different tests. I plan to go back to the 4th july gathering area and mark off say a 20x20 area, comb it the outlaw using the 8" coil. Then repeat with the Idx and the 9.5" coil to see what I get. Both will be just discing a zinc penny.

 

[atomicscott]

Typical of Tesoro, unnecessarily turning knobs. Like thumbing the disc to ID a target, or having to turn down the threshold on the Vaquero in order to use pinpoint cause the pinpoint button is only a momentary switch that puts it in AM mode. Someone should have though of these things in the design process

If you're having to turn down the threshold in order to pinpoint, you have the threshold set too high to begin with.

I very seldom thumb the discriminate knob. I set it as low as I can tolerate.

If you want to just shoot for silver coins turn up the discrimination to a point where zinc pennies are just starting to break up.

With that setting I have dug deep mercury dimes and wheat pennies using Grey Ghost Headphones.

tabman

True but without supertuning near the red zone, depth really suffers and I could not find coins past 5-6". I hunted for months never finding coins past 5". When I started supertuning, I finally got the depth (in air tests at least) that everyone seems to rave about. It's always fun to pinpoint a target and forget you are supertuned! That will wake you up. Pinpoint is not just a momentary all metal mode on my other machines. It's actually a pinpoint mode designed for just that. These Minelabs are so new-fangled & too high tech. Sort of like an iphone or Samsung Galaxy. If you enjoy using a flip phone then to each his own, but I prefer all the info the 'smart' phones have to offer!

 

[Idxpro]

I here you on the analogy of flip vs smart. I believe they each serve their purpose. I'm starting to feel the flip phone is good for gold since you dig everything anyway, and the Samsung galaxy for a plethora of information to weed through the trash. Don't even get me started on Iphone vs Android though, that's a whole nother can of worms. Haha..."can of Worms"...who the hell came up with that one anyway?