Notka Impact vs Makro Racer? - Photos Posted On Nokta Forum, Wow

[Southwind]

I love anarchy.

LOL

Racer is deeper and performs better in iron.
Ask any pro that has used both.

Well let's just say my experience didn't reflect the same results. Yes the Racer no doubt had an edge in heavy iron, only when it was less than 8", but the ATP kicked the Racers butt in tot lots. And to even insinuate the Racer is "right up there with the Deus" is laughable. Now I believe you must be talking in raw depth. Fact is 80% of the machines out there are capable of the same depth in the right conditions and setup. Where the high end machine pull away from the pack is having the features to get maximum performance in more conditions and or hunting needs. In this process the Racer is nowhere near the Deus. I thought the Racer was in the upper end when it came to relic hunting, but mid-level as a park/school machine and not impressed as a tot lot gold machine. Any high end machine will do well in all hunting conditions not just one or two. That is the difference.

Anyone with any detecting knowledge at all knows there is a lot more than just raw depth that makes a good detector.

I assure you I will own an Impact, how long will be determined by my experience with it. Just like the Racer. As I've always said I will use what works for me be it a turd on a stick. I do not use a detector just because some fanboys, who hasn't even seen one yet, makes little more than guesses at what a detector can do. When the Racer hit the market the same thoughts of taking America by storm was suggested. Today we see it has become popular with a limited group just as my original review suggested. I don't see a different future for the Impact UNLESS the price is low enough. From what I see it looks to be a well featured mid level machine but certainly not a threat to the high end machines. If they price it to compete with the high end market I'm afraid it will fail.

Het I'm entilted to my opinion right? All I say is just remember this 2 years from now and we'll see how right or wrong I was.

 

[squirrel1]

(((Any high end machine will do well in all hunting conditions not just one or two. That is the difference.))))

I don't think the Etrac for example fits the bill above.

Sure it's great at coin hunting but falls short on gold and is so so in iron.

CTX is slightly better than etrac,

And to even begin to compare a detector to other detectors that cost double to up to 4 times is laughable.

I mean we wouldn't compare a ford pinto to a lincoln continental.

But there are autos out there that do offer performance for their cost. Racer is definitely one of them.

Not everyone can afford the highest end detector either.

I'll will say this. Take the etrac----if minelab would put it in the body of a Racer and have the Racer's screen and recovery------could be game set match.

The Deus is the only high end general purpose detector IMO that passes the overall ergonomic tests.

White's and Minelab need to pull their heads out of----well I won't say it.

 

[goodmore]

There is more to being a high end machine than just the price. I have used enough of different brand names to know a fair detector from a great one. The problem is we all have opinions. I think the impact will turn the detecting world upside down if it comes out at a low price.

 

[TallTom]

White's and Minelab need to pull their heads out of----well I won't say it.

...the sand?

 

[amberjack]

yep some places a compadre kicks a ctx and I know that from experience!

never used one of these machines but and this only what I read it has flaws that I don't like overload on surface targets is one of them like the omega does and got rid of that.

not saying they don't work well I am sure they are great and maybe one day if I feel the urge to test one out, one thing I have learnt is I am the best tester just as you are of any machine after all I am the one who has to use it

AJ.

 

[Southwind]

I have to agree with you squirrel about the E-Trac. But, the E-Trac, in my opinion, is more a specialized detector than most the upper end. It has been my experience that the CTX/E-Trac has no equal when it comes to the ability to tell the user when a very deep copper or silver coin is under that coil. A very unique tonal ability. It does lack in the low gold area but makes up for it in the deep coin ability.

And to even begin to compare a detector to other detectors that cost double to up to 4 times is laughable.

Agreed! It wasn't I who started the insane comparison of the Racer and the Deus. I was just pointing out how laughable the concept was.

I think the impact will turn the detecting world upside down if it comes out at a low price.

I also will agree if the price is right, just like the Racer, then the Impact will be another great detector. For the money.

Like I said I plan to buy an Impact as soon as they are available because I like what I see. If it proves to be a Racer with a few more features than I'll sell because I already own a Deus so unless I have something to gain I see no reason keep it.

I'm still looking for the one forged in the fires of mount doom. Lord Of The Detectors. The one detector to rule them all LOL.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

impact could be what we have been waiting for..remember it has a lot of ways to program it but also under the hood in the software that is where this company seems to really make changes that make their detectors so great

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

I think it will do that and more it should be up there with the deus but better.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

The US is selling all over the world and so why create a new machine it's been how many years now since the new F75? I have moved on and am finding more and that is what counts..

 

[Southwind]

impact could be what we have been waiting for.

That is why I plan to try one out. My issues are that I'm no longer a "dig it all" hunter but a very selective hunter. I have little time so it must count. I like the E-Trac because of the unmistakable, well almost, tone of a good deep coin makes it my choice for a few sites where very deep coins are present. My other hunting is tot lots, schools and parks where I need to know what I'm bending over for before I decided to. That requires a very precise target ID system preferably with the ability to turn accept or reject on or off on all target ID segments. And not just 12-20 segments, but I want as many as possible because that is where the precision comes from. If it has adjustable 191 target segments like the Whites then I'm sold. If it's just another 12 segment, like most entry or mid level machines, then I don't have much use for it unless it proves to have something none of the others have. Which is possible, just not likely.

I give all detectors the benefit of the doubt until proven differently in my own hands on my own soil. I've used many Garretts over the years and they have all been good. Mostly just average but dependable and good. The AT Pro was a homerun. I would have never guessed it to be as good as it is when I first saw it so I never underestimate any detector until I swing it myself.

 

[Altamaha]

It has been my experience that the CTX/E-Trac has no equal when it comes to the ability to tell the user when a very deep copper or silver coin is under that coil. A very unique tonal ability. It does lack in the low gold area but makes up for it in the deep coin ability..

Well everyone has different experiences with different metal detectors because of all of the variables involved including skill, detector setup & soil/environmental conditions, etc, in which they hunt.

I own both the E-Trac & CTX 3030 (not biased) and love them. I hunted an old local park (trashy, moderate iron, medium mineralization) last year right near a main highway, that has been hunted to death as you would expect by numerous metal detectorists including myself. I hunted it with both my E-Trac & CTX 3030 (with much success) to the point where I wasn't finding anything anymore.

I then decided to use my Fisher CZ_3D there for the first time and was totally surprised at what I found (2 Barber dimes, a silver quarter, 2 sterling silver religious medals, a large sterling silver chain braclet, several buffalo nickels & several wheat cents), just goes to show. These were found the first two times (about 5 hrs total) that I hunted it with the CZ_3D and all of the finds were in the 8 - 12 inch depth range and registered with a clear but faint, high tone! I was totally surprised that I had missed these targets with my E-Trac & CTX 3030, but I still love them

Altamaha (Tomas), HH

 

[Altamaha]

n/t

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

It's always a good idea to have at least a couple of detectors when hunting. If I have an area I can go back to I hunt with one machine for a few weeks and then take my racer and see what that finds. I'm sure each detector can find targets that were walked over and missed. When I hunt I dig most everthing and I never come home with out a few nice relics. I use to cherry pick but stopped that about 8 years ago. Now hunting parks is different. But bottom line is it's nice to see a company see an opening in a huge market like the USA and grab it while the other compaines are doing nothing to bring new and exciting products to market.

 

[Southwind]

Yeah Altamaha and I'll bet you could take the Tesoro Compadre out there and find more. It's a matter of being at the right place at the right time with the right detector.

We had hunted our city park to death with every detector imaginable to the point where finding even a wheat was a good hunt. I bought the 17" coil for my CTX and the first 4 trips to the park yielded a silver mercfirst target within 10 minutes. Four times in a row in then nothing. For the next trips I found absolutely nothing.

 

[bigtim1973]

Everyone has made some very good points. I have not used or even been in the same room as a Racer. I do however own the Fors core. I like the perfomance of First Texas Products. However I was looking for something a bit different that performed like those units but built better too. I have a few other reasons for going another direction too but I am not going to get into that. The same friend who introduced the First Texas line up to me introduced me to Nokta. Now I have learned alot more about this company and how they are merged together by being brothers. I am very happy with the core. It performs very well and goes deep. As a matter of fact almost too deep. It locks on targets good and only takes 4 AA batteries like the high end Fisher and Teknetics models. But it performs better than the FT units do. I have had a ton of units over the years like most of you probably have had as well. Before, I thought teknetics had the best bang for the buck. But you can get a Nokta or Racer for a couple of hundred or more less than the Good First Texas line up. I am happy with what I am seeing being available out there for the money and performance. Yes maybe some of you would like to see one or two more features on these units but as far as I am concerned, this detector from Turkey I own, is the best thing since sliced bread. Now if this Impact is any better, I do not think I could stand it!! They are built like a tank as well. Very good quality products. Yeah I know I probably stepped on some toes or offended a couple of Fisher or Teknetics fans but that is just too bad. Like some of you have already said, if the U.S. companies would get off of their butts and get going with some better and newer stuff maybe I would still be swinging one of those. I still have an Amigo 2 but it is for just fun messing around or if someone wants to go detecting and has never used one before. I am going to be a fan of Nokta and Makro metal detectors from Turkey from now on.

 

[Davethejunky]

I had the Deus, used it for 2 months.... What a joke. If I still had time to detect after with all the settings there was only clad and screw caps found. I went to the same places with my Racer and got a few silver from the same spot I used the Deus. It's only a high end machine because of the high end price. Hell, even a 11 year old beat it in side by side signal tests.

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

The dues is a very cool detector and having the racer helped me understand the deus. Now I have two detectors I take on all of my hunts. Now with the impact maybe I will have to let the deus go but hey its going to have a software update in 2016 so I may have to keep all three and the deus can be carried in my backpack so it has its place.

 

[3RINGER]

Having a Arsenal on detectors is not just "having a bunch of detectors" lol. Good point about hitting a spot multiple times with different units. I'm not a (you have to use this unit), I use what performs better for me. Had several come and go due to not giving what thought it should. I like the 3D I have and will not give it up anytime soon.

 

[Southwind]

I had the Deus, used it for 2 months.... What a joke. If I still had time to detect after with all the settings there was only clad and screw caps found. I went to the same places with my Racer and got a few silver from the same spot I used the Deus. It's only a high end machine because of the high end price. Hell, even a 11 year old beat it in side by side signal tests.

And that is why it is said you cannot base your possible experience based on that of another. My experience was just the opposite. I found the Racer no match for our parks and schools and only useful as a relic machine in an open no modern trash field. Like any other detector on the market. LOL and when I posted videos showing my results I was told "Well what did you think comparing a $2,000 (it was before the price drop) with a $600 detector". Does the racer have multiple notch? As others have already pointed out it's a fools attempt to compare a $600 detector to a $1,500 detector when it comes to features. While many are happy with a "beep-N-dig" many also demand more. That is why there are so many who use what suites them best and they often different in their needs and choices.

 

[squirrel1]

Well I've hunted with Racer and CoRes unit in sites riddled with modern trash. Sites that were pounded by Tesoros, Blue box, White's V3i, Etrac, Explorer, F75. What did I find. Clad, silver dimes-some seated, Wheat heads, IHs, Trade token. Funny thing is the deepest was only 6 inches. Most only 4-5 inches.

I don't care what anyone says. Racer with small coil sees things many other won't/can't. Someone is bound to find a gold coin sooner than later in a pounded out site.