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long range metal detectors

Are you sure that ..... if coat hangers tilt toward a metal table, that it's not a subconscious reaction (tilting) to knowing the table is there?

How about if you place the rods stationary into a holder tube (or into a blindfolded individual), would the rods follow a moving metal table? I don't think so. I bet that 1) the rods won't follow a moving metal table when the rods are placed in loose holder tubes, free to move, and 2) if a blindfolded person were to hold the rods (and assuming he had no way to know which way the table was moving) that the rods also wouldn't move. Therefore it's the person moving the rods, and nothing to do with any reaction between the rods and the object.

I have a friend of mine who owns a Mexican restaurant. He knows I'm into metal detecting, so one day, when I was visiting him, he tried to show me how a bent coat hanger would detect money (I guess this stuff is big in Mexico where he's from). He showed me that no matter which direction he comes towards his cash register, the rod turns towards the register. He claims it is because there's money in there! When I asked if it would work if the money was emptied out of the register. He wasn't sure. So I began to wonder if ..... if a 10 out of 10 try were made, where he was taken out of the room momentarily, and .... unknown to him if the $$ was or was not left in the register, if it would work. I doubt it. The only reasons rod turns is subconscious tilting by the operator known as the "ideometer" effect.
 
Steve, what do you mean: "There is however no proof whatsoever whether any LRL will work"? Haven't you seen the pictures in the treasure mag. ads (and kellyco) showing the LRL user posed next to this jar of gold and/or silver coins? What better proof can you ask for?? :yikes:
 
IMPOSSIBLE!!! no wait... it's science... . I install and service MRI scanners and we have these discussions regularly. The MRI realigns your (unseen) hydrogen atoms so they can be shaken up in a predictable manner with radio freqs (unseen) and then have those fluctuations interpreted. VOODOOO!! You know where it all started .. metallurgists. The very stuff metal detectorists would seem to be interested in.

The research was unfunded and conducted by garage rat scientists. Everyone thought it was a waste of time. It quietly revolutionized medicine.

Depending on the size of the iron table in relation to the iron rods they will do all kinds of things brought on by the disturbance in the earths magnetic field.

A boot with peanut butter will also adhere somewhat to the iron table.
 
Yes, even Kellyco sells LRL's.


That's too bad, and it is one of the reasons why I won't buy anything from them.
 
Hopefully its not the only reason as you probably have no issue shopping at CVS, Walgreens, Krogers, Walmart, Cub Foods, etc. etc. ALL of which sell products that are unproven but believed in. Heck even Citgo, Speedway, Shell, etc. sell things like that.

I apologize up front if you made a bow and arrow out of a maple tree and hunt for food and use the skins for clothes LOL
 
A competition hunt I attended a couple of years ago one of the guys I had a conversation with said you want to see something cool?He opened a case and showed me his LRL his comment after him and his friend was laughing, boy did I get took, this darn thing cost me 400 bucks.Well it least the guy had a sense of humor.
 
By its very nature, dowsing can be randomly successful. The probability of success depends on what you're looking for. Groundwater, for example, is almost a sure thing in most places, which is why water dowsers seem to be so successful. Looking for a sewer cleanout in an area where it's known to be has pretty good odds of success, especially if there are visual clues as to where it's at, or where it's not.

- Carl
 
I can hand just about anyone a pair of L-rods, show them a visible target, and in no time convince them that dowsing works. That's easy. That's the mind trick of dowsing, the self-deception. But put a dowser to a blind test, and their dowsing ability will fall to random chance. It doesn't work.

- Carl
 
I'm not too sure about the long range locators, but I WILL keep an open mind. Just because "science" hasn't explained it yet doesn't mean it's not true. Science has a nasty habit of ignoring or discounting facts that doesn't fit popular theory. Dowsing, however,...I have personally seen it done. My grandfather found a leak in my water line with a forked stick. He found the line first, then started walking the length of the line. Suddenly, the stick turned down. I started laughing and told him to stop kidding me. He just looked at me and said "watch". He backed up, then walked forward again.,holding the stick tightly. When he reached the spot he had been before, the stick dipped again. He was gripping it tight, and the bark twisted off in his hands. His palms were scraped and red. He said..."Sill think I'm kidding?" I dug down and there was the leak. Made me a believer.....
 
Thanks, Eddie for the experience. I was wondering if my episode with the sewer cap with NO indication of where it was or could be would find similar responses from posters. I WAS holding the stick and it twisted the bark in MY hands and there WERE witnesses that saw it. I'm tempted to try it on valuables-just a little nervous about doing so.
 
Seems dowsing been done a long time, Long Rang Hoax Machines Haven't been around that long..and they do not work..Dowsing seems to be a proven Mind over matter event from what I am reading here. Seems a lot of people have found water with two Willow Sticks. Now my question. Is it the sticks, or the sensitivity of the person holding the sticks. I'm betting on the person who uses them.
 
XLT-user said:
Seems dowsing been done a long time, Long Rang Hoax Machines Haven't been around that long..and they do not work..Dowsing seems to be a proven Mind over matter event from what I am reading here. Seems a lot of people have found water with two Willow Sticks. Now my question. Is it the sticks, or the sensitivity of the person holding the sticks. I'm betting on the person who uses them.
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Long Rang Hoax Machines have been around for over 100 years at least. A device called the "Spanish Dip Needle" was sold to prospectors around 1900 (maybe earlier), it was just a fancied-up dowsing rod.

And most modern-day Long Rang Hoax Machines are also dowsing devices, so there is no confusion in bringing dowsing into the conversation. Furthermore, dowsing itself is not proven, in the least. In fact, when it is scientifically tested, it fails every time. The only supporting "evidence" for dowsing is purely anecdotal. This is no different than other nonsense beliefs like astrology and remote viewing; they all may "seem" to work until close scrutiny shows they do not.

The human mind is easily tricked. Any decent stage magician knows this. Dowsing rod salesmen know this, too.

- Carl
 
Carl, I believe you're probably right. I AM, however going to prove it to myself-partly because this article reminded me of my one episode and partly because I'm hard-headed no matter how ridiculous things may seem.:bouncy: Maybe that's part of the experimenter in me-I've made so many mistakes in my life and that just seems to be the way I learn the best.:clapping: And if I DO find anything valuable, I'm not gonna parade it around -I'm just gonna tell Randi to stick it:beers:
 
the old forked stick was used for finding water but then the wood was replaced with a pivot system and then proclaimed to find gold.
I don't see anything wrong with someone trying to use a stick to find water and the wood is cheap, much cheaper than LRLs.
My dad moved out in the country back in the mid sixties and had a local come with a wood dowser to find a good place to put a cistern in. He went on his way and stopped under a big walnut tree in the yard.
My dad asked him, why this is a good place? His reply was because it was in the shade and would make the digging easier :biggrin:.
At least he was honest, my dad decided to get a well dug so he passed up on getting the cistern.
 
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