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long range metal detectors
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That certainly isn't true. I can understand the skepticism with a brand like Electroscope, but even after playing with one of those strange devices for a few minutes you'll know it does what it's supposed to, it's just the "real world" implementation that gets difficult. It depends on what you're looking for and where. At one time the U.S. Military would take two ships and triangulate enemy submarine locations miles away using long range RF and IR technology (in complete silence). Those readings were based on the known composition of the sub hull.
Even Kellyco. sells long range detectors.
Even Kellyco. sells long range detectors.
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
Don....they simply don't work. They fail miserably in double blind comparison studies, where the targets are only known to one person (not either of the searchers). The LOL's just don't react to the targets buried, however, the metal detectors do. Now to counter-argue the results, the "believers" of LOL's will create their own pseudo-science with their own confusing sounding words to dispute proven scientific testing principals and techniques.
So....I don't believe for one second that they work at all. In fact there is a person who has offered $1,000,000.00 for the first person who can demonstrate that his/her gizmo works in according to a double blind test. Guess what? He still has the money up for grabs.
Now tabdog might be on to something with his invention
I always at least try to keep an open mind 
.
And I am expecting someone to soon come in and try to disprove my beliefs on there LOL's.
The debate has been going on for years..........
So....I don't believe for one second that they work at all. In fact there is a person who has offered $1,000,000.00 for the first person who can demonstrate that his/her gizmo works in according to a double blind test. Guess what? He still has the money up for grabs.
Now tabdog might be on to something with his invention
I always at least try to keep an open mind .And I am expecting someone to soon come in and try to disprove my beliefs on there LOL's.
The debate has been going on for years..........
i have no idea how these things even work
but i will say i'm a little more subtle on my skeptisism these days
many times i have seen these people on tv with their deviding rods
and many times i have laughed,untill one day,a utility worker showed up on the job
looking for the underground utilities,and had forgotten to bring the proper equiptment for locating it
this guy says to me don't tell anyone i did this,he walkes over to his truck and pulls out a pair of deviding rods
you've got to be kidding me i says,now i'm thinkin this guy has some cards missing,i literally was laughing out loud
what are you going to do with those i says,well long story short,this guy located the utilities with no problem,then let
me locate them,and i'm a skeptic no longer!
i still laugh at the plumb bob over the map deal-just not out loud!
bottom line some one would have to prove these things to me before i bit!
seems to me that these long range locaters would have a huge problem with interferance?
although tabdog seems to have this problem all taken care of
but i will say i'm a little more subtle on my skeptisism these days
many times i have seen these people on tv with their deviding rods
and many times i have laughed,untill one day,a utility worker showed up on the job
looking for the underground utilities,and had forgotten to bring the proper equiptment for locating it
this guy says to me don't tell anyone i did this,he walkes over to his truck and pulls out a pair of deviding rods
you've got to be kidding me i says,now i'm thinkin this guy has some cards missing,i literally was laughing out loud
what are you going to do with those i says,well long story short,this guy located the utilities with no problem,then let
me locate them,and i'm a skeptic no longer!
i still laugh at the plumb bob over the map deal-just not out loud!
bottom line some one would have to prove these things to me before i bit!
seems to me that these long range locaters would have a huge problem with interferance?
although tabdog seems to have this problem all taken care of
Carl-NC
Active member
I own around 30 LRLs. They are designed to find treasure only one time, at the point of sale, so if someone were to call them an outright scam I would not disagree. I have dissected a number of them and written reports for your reading pleasure... visit www.geotech1.com, go to the LRLs section, and click on Reports.
- Carl
- Carl
Lizardchaser
New member
TaBdOg
I didn't realize Arkieland had that big a Current bushes to plug that bad boy into.
Nice NUGGET
I didn't realize Arkieland had that big a Current bushes to plug that bad boy into.
Nice NUGGETthanx Carl for your hard work on doing up those links
John-Edmonton is right: They'll have their in-penetrable logic circles to explain away critics. As for only working for some people (as if....... there's some monkey-business going on), they'll just tell you that those other users simply "weren't experienced". Ie.: no different than the argument that you can put an Explorer in a novice's hands, and HE TOO will not find anything good either.
As for the impressive supposed results (pix in kellyco of a guy posed next to his jar of gold coins is hard to argue with, eh? ), my answer is: 1) If you do enough research on likely areas (old ruins, caches already known to be hidden near a house, etc...) 2) you go to those places waving around a coat-hanger or whatever you will subconsciously tilt it to the most likely looking areas, and 3) you pull out a metal detector to "pinpoint", dig 100 targets, then YES, you will eventually dig up something of value.
History is FILLED with stories of persons accidentally finding goodies (const. workers, trench diggers, etc...), so how much MORE SO wouldn't a person who is specifically out there at already suspected leads, juicy ruins, etc.. going to eventually find something with his LRL that his detector "pinpointed" eh?
John-Edmonton is right: They'll have their in-penetrable logic circles to explain away critics. As for only working for some people (as if....... there's some monkey-business going on), they'll just tell you that those other users simply "weren't experienced". Ie.: no different than the argument that you can put an Explorer in a novice's hands, and HE TOO will not find anything good either.
As for the impressive supposed results (pix in kellyco of a guy posed next to his jar of gold coins is hard to argue with, eh?
), my answer is: 1) If you do enough research on likely areas (old ruins, caches already known to be hidden near a house, etc...) 2) you go to those places waving around a coat-hanger or whatever you will subconsciously tilt it to the most likely looking areas, and 3) you pull out a metal detector to "pinpoint", dig 100 targets, then YES, you will eventually dig up something of value. History is FILLED with stories of persons accidentally finding goodies (const. workers, trench diggers, etc...), so how much MORE SO wouldn't a person who is specifically out there at already suspected leads, juicy ruins, etc.. going to eventually find something with his LRL that his detector "pinpointed" eh?
Hell will freeze over long before anyone gets within a bulls roar of claiming that 1000,000.
If anyone who thinks he/she can detect at long range whatever they happen to be thinking about as they point their long range detector, then I think they could make a lot of money and save the world from industrial collapse by taking a few bets or by proving to the military and geological surveyors and oil drillers and iron and gold mining companies and archaeologists that their piece of scam ridden crap works .
Adrian SS
If anyone who thinks he/she can detect at long range whatever they happen to be thinking about as they point their long range detector, then I think they could make a lot of money and save the world from industrial collapse by taking a few bets or by proving to the military and geological surveyors and oil drillers and iron and gold mining companies and archaeologists that their piece of scam ridden crap works .
Adrian SS
why have they not been sued out of business by the customers they have bilked out of thousands of dollars. I mean if they have been opened up by experts and examined and its just dead circuitboards and loose wires going no where that is just simply fraud. I am surprised the biggest metal detector company in the country that caters to customer service would be apart of selling any of these contraptions to the unwary. Its just not right and nothing can be said to justify it.
Well the sad thing is that there are people that will buy anything I'm sure most of you have heard of all the scams like the Nigerian scam on line and so on these people know that most people know that it is a scam but if they send out thousands of these and get just a few people to try out of desperation that they will still make easy money. You notice that when times get tougher like now days there become more and more of these quick fix money quick scams its just too bad that there are a lot of truly down and out people that are willing to try anything just out of pure desperation
On a side note I will say that divining rods or what ever you want to call them do work I am able to find any electrical wires including phone lines that are buried under ground and would certainly be willing to show anyone that it works as to how well that I'm not sure myself I use two brazing rods with a sleeve on them They claim you can find water and I will say that I have recently helped a guy out with a well that they were not able to find water until i located what we believe were two intersecting vanes. granted water is everywhere and until I can actually see the water veins below the ground I will certainly not argue either way as to if that works iv only actually been able to prove electrical. OK now that iv rambled on I will quit now
On a side note I will say that divining rods or what ever you want to call them do work I am able to find any electrical wires including phone lines that are buried under ground and would certainly be willing to show anyone that it works as to how well that I'm not sure myself I use two brazing rods with a sleeve on them They claim you can find water and I will say that I have recently helped a guy out with a well that they were not able to find water until i located what we believe were two intersecting vanes. granted water is everywhere and until I can actually see the water veins below the ground I will certainly not argue either way as to if that works iv only actually been able to prove electrical. OK now that iv rambled on I will quit now
Carl-NC
Active member
"...why have they not been sued out of business by the customers they have bilked out of thousands of dollars."
I have been asked by several people who bought an LRL and then realized they had been scammed, "Why doesn't someone do something to stop these frauds?" To which I reply, "Why don't YOU do something to stop it?" But lawsuits are expensive, and most LRL victims accept their loss and move on.
It is my opinion that a lawsuit against the right seller could be financially lucrative.
- Carl
I have been asked by several people who bought an LRL and then realized they had been scammed, "Why doesn't someone do something to stop these frauds?" To which I reply, "Why don't YOU do something to stop it?" But lawsuits are expensive, and most LRL victims accept their loss and move on.
It is my opinion that a lawsuit against the right seller could be financially lucrative.
- Carl
The answers to your questions are, that they'll say the person who "weren't successfull" simply weren't experienced enough at it. Ie.: can every Explorer newbie sue Minelab because he didn't find deep silver his first time out? They'll also talk about how "some people have the 'gift', and others don't". So if you get one, and it didn't work, guess what? YOU DIDN"T HAVE THE 'GIFT'" Doh!
Related to this inborn "gift", some others will say you can't have "negative vibes" or "dis-believe" lest they won't work. When you try to point out to them that this sounds like some kind of faith-based-mystical thing, they will respond: "If you, the md'r, go out with a poor attitude, you too will have bad days md'ing. Contrarily, when you're pumped and believing that "today I'm going to bag a good oldie", then of COURSE the "better attitude" ("belief" or whatever you want to call it) will kick in, and you'll do better than a negative person. So therefore, by extension, the lack of the LRL to work merely means you didn't have "belief." So you see then, the minute you connect it to some sort of faith, or belief, or mystics, it goes outside the legal realm. It enters or sort of realm of religion, which are non-sueable issues I guess.
As far as the innoperative guts to the things, which go no-where and do nothing, I guess the lawyers got it figured out that these things are following signals that "can't be measured". It is "undiscovered cience (I kid you not, those are the very catch phrases they use!), that therefore no instrument in a lab can prove something that's not measureable by modern science yet. All they know is, it works, as evidenced by the pix in the testimonials of guys posed next to jars of coins. Therefore if it doesn't work for you, you simply need more practice, or are just "un-believing" and it will never work, or whatever.
Related to this inborn "gift", some others will say you can't have "negative vibes" or "dis-believe" lest they won't work. When you try to point out to them that this sounds like some kind of faith-based-mystical thing, they will respond: "If you, the md'r, go out with a poor attitude, you too will have bad days md'ing. Contrarily, when you're pumped and believing that "today I'm going to bag a good oldie", then of COURSE the "better attitude" ("belief" or whatever you want to call it) will kick in, and you'll do better than a negative person. So therefore, by extension, the lack of the LRL to work merely means you didn't have "belief." So you see then, the minute you connect it to some sort of faith, or belief, or mystics, it goes outside the legal realm. It enters or sort of realm of religion, which are non-sueable issues I guess.
As far as the innoperative guts to the things, which go no-where and do nothing, I guess the lawyers got it figured out that these things are following signals that "can't be measured". It is "undiscovered cience (I kid you not, those are the very catch phrases they use!), that therefore no instrument in a lab can prove something that's not measureable by modern science yet. All they know is, it works, as evidenced by the pix in the testimonials of guys posed next to jars of coins. Therefore if it doesn't work for you, you simply need more practice, or are just "un-believing" and it will never work, or whatever.
Carl-NC
Active member
"On a side note I will say that divining rods or what ever you want to call them do work I am able to find any electrical wires including phone lines that are buried under ground and would certainly be willing to show anyone that it works"
Anyone familiar with utility placement can do this without dowsing rods. But if you were to put your dowsing skills to a randomized blind test, you would find that your ability simply vanishes.
I used to work for an irrigation company, and I saw many times where dowsing rods were used to find buried pipes and wires. But the pipes were where we expected them to be anyways, and were often laid by the same people trying to find them again. I also saw some spectacular failures, where the pipes were not where we thought they would be. In other words, dowsing worked as long as the pipes were where they were supposed to be. That's how dowsing usually "works".
- Carl
Anyone familiar with utility placement can do this without dowsing rods. But if you were to put your dowsing skills to a randomized blind test, you would find that your ability simply vanishes.
I used to work for an irrigation company, and I saw many times where dowsing rods were used to find buried pipes and wires. But the pipes were where we expected them to be anyways, and were often laid by the same people trying to find them again. I also saw some spectacular failures, where the pipes were not where we thought they would be. In other words, dowsing worked as long as the pipes were where they were supposed to be. That's how dowsing usually "works".
- Carl