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Latest From Coiltek CTX 3030 10 X 5 DD Coil
- Thread starter Marksman7
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mrwilburino
Member
mcb613 said:
+1
Johnnyanglo
Active member
Concerning detecting videos in general (not picking on this particular one)
Never understood the significance of videos that show a detector/coil finding targets. Isn't that their purpose by design. For every video that actually tests a detector/coil there are hundreds if not a thousands of "this-coil-can-actually-find-a-target" video. One should hope it can find a target in the ground.
Unfortunately, the great majority of detecting videos, which were created to inform (or tout a new product), provide so little substantive information as to be of no help to anyone trying to make an informed decision. Yet they are standard fare. The paid reviews in detecting magazines are the same. This detector is great - why? Because it found 56 cents in a "worked out" park. Who made that the standard? Who said it was "worked out"? Oh, but it found a Roman coin or a ring - so what!, a toy detector sold in Toys-R-Us would have done the same. Are we that easily swayed?
We need to have detecting standards: target standards and testing methodology standards.
An truly informative video must consider two coils tested side-by-side in identical soils (and moisture) with testing at different depths and with various targets. That would be informative - not definitive - but informative.
Again, nothing against the Coiltek video.
Johnnyanglo
Never understood the significance of videos that show a detector/coil finding targets. Isn't that their purpose by design. For every video that actually tests a detector/coil there are hundreds if not a thousands of "this-coil-can-actually-find-a-target" video. One should hope it can find a target in the ground.
Unfortunately, the great majority of detecting videos, which were created to inform (or tout a new product), provide so little substantive information as to be of no help to anyone trying to make an informed decision. Yet they are standard fare. The paid reviews in detecting magazines are the same. This detector is great - why? Because it found 56 cents in a "worked out" park. Who made that the standard? Who said it was "worked out"? Oh, but it found a Roman coin or a ring - so what!, a toy detector sold in Toys-R-Us would have done the same. Are we that easily swayed?
We need to have detecting standards: target standards and testing methodology standards.
An truly informative video must consider two coils tested side-by-side in identical soils (and moisture) with testing at different depths and with various targets. That would be informative - not definitive - but informative.
Again, nothing against the Coiltek video.
Johnnyanglo
I like detecting videos with real targets. Show me the iron signals around the target. Show me the meter reading. Show me the depth reading and then dig it. Showing detector performance on buried targets is BS. Digging a hole and covering it with dirt and then showing the detector can still hit it is BS and boring to boot. Detectors like the CTX hate freshly buried targets and tossed dirt. The test proves nothing. Comparing two coils doing it is twice the agony. If I see an empty hole at the beginning of your video I will never see the end. Every detector is different and no standards will apply. Just show me how the dog hunts.
I think pretty much everybody prefers detecting videos with real targets. The issue (and for all videos), is that unless you are comparing different coils on these same real targets/environments, a video doesn't really assist us in knowing what one coil will do that another coil can't. When a company is charging upwards of $400.00 for a coil, I'd like to think (make that know), that it will find a target that the current available coils can't. I hope that this new coil can, as well as any other coils down the road.
Overvoltage
New member
I have been happy with the Minelab coils and really don't think the Coiltek coil will provide any better depth, separation or target ID. Having said that, where I believe the Coiltek coil will be a benefit is searching in areas where there are a lot of sticks. Such as relic hunting in overgrown areas. I have experienced that with all three Minelab coils, sticks really like to get tangled in the open coil design. Also, even though I have finally figured out how to pinpoint with all three of the Minelab coils, it looks to me like the Coiltek coil would pinpoint better. As far as the videos are concerned, I appreciate the effort everyone puts into their videos. I believe all documented testing has a benefit, more for some people and less for others. With all of the different variables acting on metal detector performance the only real test hat has any value is to get the item and hunt with it and make your own decision.
For whatever it's worth, Gary Drayton posted a picture on the Minelab owners site of some gold jewelry he found on a beach with the new Coiltek. He also states that he found several silver rings. Now, would he have hit these targets with the Minelab coils? Most likely yes. I do like the dimensions of that coil, however, and can't wait till more regular folks are swinging it that can chime in on it's performance.
I use smooth tones with the six inch coil. The only time I use it is really really bad iron. And the smooth tone helps me to hear the high tone. I have pulled a few keepers doing this. Combine this with the performance of the stock coil I feel I have my bases covered for now. I need a couple thousand of you to go out and buy this coil. Write a review of it and one of you sell it to me next Spring. 
Johnnyanglo
Active member
]"Now said:
Johnnyanglo said:
I plan to get one for two reasons....neither of which have anything to do with any video or marketing information. My two reasons are that it has a smooth bottom and a larger footprint than the 6-inch Minelab coil. Both of which should benefit me in the places I hunt.
(IMHO) based solely on the design, the depth of detection of the new Coiltek coil shouldn't be any less than those realized using the 6-inch Minelab coil. Depending on the actual diameter and winding specifications, it could be more. Likewise, the "left to right" separation characteristics should be equal to the Minelab DD coils. Again, depending on the design characteristics, it may or may not. If it provides TID information (audio and visual) comparable to the Minelab coils, operates with equal stability, detects as deep and separates as well as the 6-inch Minelab coil, I will consider it a good investment for the places I like to detect. HH Randy
silverchef
New member
I got a call from Bart at Bigboys that they are in. He sent me an invoice so should ship today or tomorrow. I should be swinging it in about a week. I'll be sure to give some feed back!ML said: