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I see a lot of talk....
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Mike (Virginia Beach)
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I think it's the coil...totally.
I have the Excelerator 4.5 x 7 that I use for trashy spots and can run the sens at manual 32 in MOST spots and manual 30 in all others with COMPLETE stability. Sound nuts? I can't do anything NEAR that with the stock coil. I have the Excelerator 10 x 14 that I use for wide open spots and I can usually run that at 28 manual with complete stability. I NEVER run the stock coil any more after running those two. Was mine QUITE as unstable as yours? Maybe, maybe not. In some places it was. Like hitting corn and bean stalks in fields...it was bad for that. But in clean ground or the beach, not that bad at all. Throw a little mineralization at it or some trash though and I never cared for it. I think the FBS 1050 from the Explorer II and Quattro worked much better. But the Exclerator coils solve all that. In my opinion, the 10.5" Slimline coil that the Explorer SE comes with is too sensitive to be a good general purpose coil. At least MINE is.
I have the Excelerator 4.5 x 7 that I use for trashy spots and can run the sens at manual 32 in MOST spots and manual 30 in all others with COMPLETE stability. Sound nuts? I can't do anything NEAR that with the stock coil. I have the Excelerator 10 x 14 that I use for wide open spots and I can usually run that at 28 manual with complete stability. I NEVER run the stock coil any more after running those two. Was mine QUITE as unstable as yours? Maybe, maybe not. In some places it was. Like hitting corn and bean stalks in fields...it was bad for that. But in clean ground or the beach, not that bad at all. Throw a little mineralization at it or some trash though and I never cared for it. I think the FBS 1050 from the Explorer II and Quattro worked much better. But the Exclerator coils solve all that. In my opinion, the 10.5" Slimline coil that the Explorer SE comes with is too sensitive to be a good general purpose coil. At least MINE is.
scott (wi)
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Mine will make a sometimes make a high chirp if the ground elevation suddenly changes, like if the coil goes over a sand ridge. Along those lines, be careful that you are not tilting the coil quickly at the end of your swings. You would not be alone, practically everyone I see detecting around here does it wrong - big coil lifts off the ground at the end of swings.
GoldenRoyBoy
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Hello Storm,
Really, you are describing a common problem. No, not with the SE but the lack of knowing what your machine is trying to tell you, its operator. No, I'm not trying to come off like some sort of know it all. But, I own the SE and have used it a lot in the short time I've owned mine. I'll state boldly and with certainty, there's nothing wrong with your SE; it's you. Here are things I'd suggest doing.
(1)
Immediately, upon turning on your SE "at your chosen hunting site" run "NOISE REDUCTION". If you should change coils, run "NOISE REDUCTION". Never change coils with your machine ON.
(2) Begin hunting, using a slow, deliberate swing. Too fast and you'll likely hear chirping especially at the ends of your swing. Don't scrub, keep your coil raised slightly off the ground. Scrub, if needed once above a good target; a sound good in at least two directions. I like to hear a little noise, the machine's telling me I'm close to the edge of where I need to be. If you continue to hear NOISE and you don't like hearing it, reset SENSITIVITY down 2 notches. I'd recommend avoiding AUTO SENSITIVITY as it's been my experience you'll lose depth.
(3) My settings. I'm set on 32 MAXED OUT more than not and no ground's more sensitive than Colorado's. I normally run GAIN 6-8, I'm in ALL METAL MODE-CONDUCT-OPTIONS:fast-deep with TONE-(Threshold 6-8 VARIABILITY 8 LIMITS 8-10) One thought; if rusty nails HEAR as silver, your SENSITIVITY and possibly GAIN are set too high. You'll need to adjust either-both until the nail HEARS as iron.
(4) Try avoiding too many changes in your settings per outing. You'll confuse yourself if you get TWIST KNOB-PUSH BUTTON happy. Forget trying to figure out all the Discrimination Patterns MINELAB wasted half their manual upon; they are useless IMO.
If none of the above helps solve your problem, you may need to reset your SE to factory specifications. First though, SAVE YOUR CURRENT SETTINGS in USER A. To reset, simple turn your machine off. Wait a few seconds then turn back on holding down the power on button UNTIL YOU HEAR A BEEP. Your display should open in SMARTFIND mode. You'll want to switch to your SAVED USER A mode to continue hunting. Once you get your SE set up for you, there's little left to do but hunt; it's really that simple.
I hope some of my advice makes sense, helping you solve your SE woes and giving you time to enjoy your fantastic little metal seeker!
Good hunting!
GRB
Really, you are describing a common problem. No, not with the SE but the lack of knowing what your machine is trying to tell you, its operator. No, I'm not trying to come off like some sort of know it all. But, I own the SE and have used it a lot in the short time I've owned mine. I'll state boldly and with certainty, there's nothing wrong with your SE; it's you. Here are things I'd suggest doing.
(1)
Immediately, upon turning on your SE "at your chosen hunting site" run "NOISE REDUCTION". If you should change coils, run "NOISE REDUCTION". Never change coils with your machine ON.
(2) Begin hunting, using a slow, deliberate swing. Too fast and you'll likely hear chirping especially at the ends of your swing. Don't scrub, keep your coil raised slightly off the ground. Scrub, if needed once above a good target; a sound good in at least two directions. I like to hear a little noise, the machine's telling me I'm close to the edge of where I need to be. If you continue to hear NOISE and you don't like hearing it, reset SENSITIVITY down 2 notches. I'd recommend avoiding AUTO SENSITIVITY as it's been my experience you'll lose depth.
(3) My settings. I'm set on 32 MAXED OUT more than not and no ground's more sensitive than Colorado's. I normally run GAIN 6-8, I'm in ALL METAL MODE-CONDUCT-OPTIONS:fast-deep with TONE-(Threshold 6-8 VARIABILITY 8 LIMITS 8-10) One thought; if rusty nails HEAR as silver, your SENSITIVITY and possibly GAIN are set too high. You'll need to adjust either-both until the nail HEARS as iron.
(4) Try avoiding too many changes in your settings per outing. You'll confuse yourself if you get TWIST KNOB-PUSH BUTTON happy. Forget trying to figure out all the Discrimination Patterns MINELAB wasted half their manual upon; they are useless IMO.
If none of the above helps solve your problem, you may need to reset your SE to factory specifications. First though, SAVE YOUR CURRENT SETTINGS in USER A. To reset, simple turn your machine off. Wait a few seconds then turn back on holding down the power on button UNTIL YOU HEAR A BEEP. Your display should open in SMARTFIND mode. You'll want to switch to your SAVED USER A mode to continue hunting. Once you get your SE set up for you, there's little left to do but hunt; it's really that simple.
I hope some of my advice makes sense, helping you solve your SE woes and giving you time to enjoy your fantastic little metal seeker!
Good hunting!
GRB
Charles (Upstate NY)
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Mike (Virginia Beach)
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Or, you COULD get the cable break fixed. 
(Just a thought)
(Just a thought)Storm I tried the 10 for a while and same thing very noisy here in Oregon went to the sunray x-8 its a whole difference animal still I find dimes at 10" can get right next to sidewalks and pull silver will never use the stock coil again the ground in Oregon is very mineralized hope this helps HH RonC ps come down and hunt with Neil and me
Trent (GA)
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Stormtrooper154, have you tried to clean your coil? 
Stormtrooper154
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Well, It was hotter then crap here today but I just had to go give some of these ideas a try. I was out for 45 Min's messing around with the machine. Here is one interesting find...
My Settings, Manual,24 Sens,Gain 5,All Metal
I found a nice deep penny target @ 8", but I didn't dig...
Changes setting to Semi-Auto,32 Sens, Gain 5, All Metal
Ran the coil over the target and not even a peep from the machine :O
I switched back to 24 Sens and Manual and confirmed the target, dug it up, 1952-D Wheaty. Just thought this was interesting enough to share. On a side note, in Semi-auto the falsing went away...but so did the target LOL
I did manage to get a silver ring, one wheaty and about 60 cents in clad in my 45 min test hunt before the heat really caused it not to be fun anymore.
My Settings, Manual,24 Sens,Gain 5,All Metal
I found a nice deep penny target @ 8", but I didn't dig...
Changes setting to Semi-Auto,32 Sens, Gain 5, All Metal
Ran the coil over the target and not even a peep from the machine :O
I switched back to 24 Sens and Manual and confirmed the target, dug it up, 1952-D Wheaty. Just thought this was interesting enough to share. On a side note, in Semi-auto the falsing went away...but so did the target LOL
I did manage to get a silver ring, one wheaty and about 60 cents in clad in my 45 min test hunt before the heat really caused it not to be fun anymore.
At a site where the sidewalk was being removed, ran semi auto at 30 and ran smooth, threw a dime on the ground and no signal unless coil was touching it. Switched to manual and it was very unstable so I lowered the sensitivity to 22 and got a decent signal. Found out that semi auto run high in trashy area will lower the sensitivity too low, now at 16 semi auto it gave a great signal and feel the higher the sensitivity is set the more it can over compensate in trashy areas or where a lot of interference.
Mike (Virginia Beach)
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What you should have tried was dropping the sensitivity to like 18 or 20. The target would have still been there and it would have been much better behaved. There are MANY places where 24 is too much. Try it next time. I have a test garden that is in some TOUGH ground. I have a 10" deep silver dime that the machine will not hit at manual sens 24 but will at 18. Food for thought.
Charles (Upstate NY)
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You have private email.
Tony N (Michigan)
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Just because your friend thinks it is crazy doesn't mean it's not 
It worked for me in California.
It worked for me in California.
JAB/Oregon
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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Guys you all have posted some great suggestions but there is the possibility that his SE is not operating as it should. My SE also falsed like crazy, it was a nightmare to use in iron compared to my XS or Explorer II. I noticed the difference right away.
Did I dig some good targets with the thing? Yes but it was a LOT of work and I dug a LOT of iron to get them. Minelab confirmed that they have similar reports from all over the world, though in small numbers and they are trying to figure out whats wrong with these few machines. They are shipping mine back to Australia to let the engineers test it.
Did I dig some good targets with the thing? Yes but it was a LOT of work and I dug a LOT of iron to get them. Minelab confirmed that they have similar reports from all over the world, though in small numbers and they are trying to figure out whats wrong with these few machines. They are shipping mine back to Australia to let the engineers test it.
GoldenRoyBoy
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[quote Stormtrooper154]Well, It was hotter then crap here today but I just had to go give some of these ideas a try.
Well, they don't call you Trooper Storm for nothing!
I failed to mention, if you choose to run in AM-Mode to also turn IRON MASK on. You're going to find, if like me that changing coils will more than likely result in playing around with SENSITIVITY-GAIN. I'm able to MAX OUT-32 GAIN 8 on my 4.5 x 7 Excelerator coil at times (depending on where I'm hunting) but have to lower things down to SENS-16-18 and GAIN 6-7 when I use my 10 x 14 Exc. coil.
The SE can be frustrating as Hades. I strongly believe if you'll give it more time and the time it deserves to learn the machine you'll be just fine.
GRB
Well, they don't call you Trooper Storm for nothing!
I failed to mention, if you choose to run in AM-Mode to also turn IRON MASK on. You're going to find, if like me that changing coils will more than likely result in playing around with SENSITIVITY-GAIN. I'm able to MAX OUT-32 GAIN 8 on my 4.5 x 7 Excelerator coil at times (depending on where I'm hunting) but have to lower things down to SENS-16-18 and GAIN 6-7 when I use my 10 x 14 Exc. coil.
The SE can be frustrating as Hades. I strongly believe if you'll give it more time and the time it deserves to learn the machine you'll be just fine.
GRB
Mr-depthtester
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On some buried coin tests in a test garden with the SE i was surprised to find that all metal SEEMS to offer no depth increase over say a coins and jewelry pattern. All metal only offers better target seperation with no perceptable depth increases noticed. This is something that surprised me because as we all know all metal modes go deeper than when using discrimination, explorers it seems go just as deep as when in the all metal mode!
Mike (Virginia Beach)
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>>> This is something that surprised me because as we all know all metal modes go deeper than when using discrimination <<<
No, we don't all know that. Because it's not true. It may be true with SOME machines, but not all. And it my experience it's not true with the Explorer.
I think you stated it correctly when you said that All Metal gives better target separation. Which means it works better in trash. And that it allows you to better maintain a smooth threshold. And that it's more stable. But not that it has more depth. Or less depth. It has what it has based on how you have it set. And if you have it set with All Metal, manual sensitivity, Fast OFF and Deep ON, you will have the best depth and the most all around usable machine. Period.
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No, we don't all know that. Because it's not true. It may be true with SOME machines, but not all. And it my experience it's not true with the Explorer.
I think you stated it correctly when you said that All Metal gives better target separation. Which means it works better in trash. And that it allows you to better maintain a smooth threshold. And that it's more stable. But not that it has more depth. Or less depth. It has what it has based on how you have it set. And if you have it set with All Metal, manual sensitivity, Fast OFF and Deep ON, you will have the best depth and the most all around usable machine. Period.
Legal Disclaimer:
All opinions expressed by the author are provided absolutely FREE OF CHARGE and are worth exactly what you paid for them.