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Here's The Specs On The New ACE 350 Relic Machine To Be Released In September

Yeah mineralization is like the grain in hardwood, it changes from point to point plus the 350 has been tweaked to benefit relic hunters.

Bill
 
On the coil topic; here in Italy some of my fellows detectorists have put the 10X14" garrett power DD coil on the 250 and they have achieved tremendous depth with that machine! They also say it is very stable with that coil.

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Haven't got one yet my dear bud. Nobody has except the honchos at the factory who are still testing it out. And by leaking the news early a lot of us are going to be waiting for one. The news wasn't supposed to be out yet but a few guys jumped the gun, especially dealers and distributors, trying to get a jump on orders for the Christmas season so it's going to be total chaos. HAA..

Bill
 
Now that is even more great news Bill. I bet it turns out to be great all around relic machine, simple to use, not priced at $1599.00, or $1399.00, or $999.00. In fact much less then $500.00. You can probably get one priced at $350.00 - $400.00.
 
John-Edmonton said:
It is well balanced to the piece of ground underneath the coil. Five feet away, conditions could be different?
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Most of the relic machines I have used have some sort of ground mineralization readout on the meter so that you can do another GB if needed. However if if the machine doesn't have a meter or a readout on its meter, any experienced relic hunter can easily tell if the GB has shifted as the machine thresh hold will start making noise if you lift or move the coil closer to the ground because if it is out of balance the machine will start reacting to signal from the ground. Other machines have ground tracking that you can turn on or off as needed and usually some sort of track inhibit or user adjustable track speed so that the auto tracking won't tune out a target.

Having a fixed ground balance is not a good thing for a dedicated relic machine. However while the fixed GB is a disadvantage it is not the most important feature when determining whether or not this will be a competitive relic machine with those from other manufacturers. The most important feature is one I haven't seen any info about yet.

That feature is how the audio system of the machine works. My experience with Garrett machines (a Gti-1500 and a GTAX-550) is that the audio system doesn't cut it for relics. A good relic machine will offer a good tone ID system that is based on continuous not sampled audio. What I mean by this is that it seems to me that the way those Garrett machine's audio works is that the processor looks at the signal from the coil and then samples it at peak signal strength, classifies the target and then synthesizes the audio tone it plays based on its ID of the target. A good relic machine will send the audio from the target in a continuous stream so that the operator can hear the audio signal at all times, particularly how the target audio rises and falls as the coil approaches, passes over and then leaves the target. Perhaps this is easier to explain by use of a recent example from one of my detecting trips. I was using a Tek T2 (a fine relic machine) in 2+ audio mode. The farm field I was hunting was right next to a public camp ground and there were a fair number of pulltabs (for a farm field) in the ground. They were coming up at 42 or 43 on the target ID meter. After I had dug up a half dozen or so I started ignoring targets that sounded like pulltabs and showed up with a TID or 42 or 43. After a few hours of detecting I came across a target that came up as a solid, repeatable 42 but it sounded completely different. The second I heard the audio I said to myself I don't know what this target is but it isn't a pulltab. It turned out to be an old crusty indian head cent which after cleaning revealed itself to be a 1868. The same thing goes for some iron targets, nails sound one way but ox shoes sound a different way even though they both play an iron grunt. The GTI-1500 would have synthesized the same sound for each of those pairs of targets, though the target imaging would have let you see the different size of the ox shoe compared to the nail (in most cases).

I have to say, that as a dedicated relic hunter who seldom if ever does any other type of detecting, that after reviewing the info on the Garrett website I am a bit underwhelmed - the frequency seems a bit low for a relic machine (most of the relic machines run at 12 or 13 khz), the target ID resolution seems low (for example the Tek T2 has 40 tid numbers for iron alone and another 60 for the rest of the target spectrum), no manual GB, and most importantly I bet the audio system falls short as described above.

I hope the as of yet unannounced machine that Uncle Willy and others have hinted at seems more competitive with other relic machines than the Ace 350 seems to be. However I guess the real proof will be in the hunting, I can't wait until the next team based, relic shoot out to see if Garrett can get out of last place for a change.
 
So, while not really a gold nugget seeking machine, the double D coil would make it a few steps better for finding
nuggets if you happened to be in nugget country like Alaska or Arizona?

I think I'll give Garrett a call Monday and find out about if I can use my present Ace coils on the new machine.
Katz
 
I see The 350 has accessories out and it show the sniper coil from 250 thought the 350 was a different freq, so you would not be able to use 250 coils on it ? Or reverse so you could not use the new dd 8x11 Garrett coil on 250?
 
The 350 is just an overpriced 250 with a different coil. Not enough difference in the frequency to make a difference , and really no noteable difference in the detector itself. Save your money , buy a 250....the 350 is just a gimmick.
 
Yes Steve.......you think a lot of bells and whistles are important to you as a relic hunter. Nobody is denying you that. All those "extras" come at additional costs too. A meter to show mineralization? Numerical numbers designated to conductivity? Colored graphs?,Volume controls? Multiple frequencies? just to name a few....... where does it stop?..... Look at what the cost is for a brand new machine that is supposed to be a top notch relic machine. You can pay easily over $1,500.00. Garrett took a different approach, building a machine tweaked to accell with relics and coins etc. at a cost affordable to all. And.....it's made in USA and comes with a real warranty with real people at the end of a telephone or computer to deal with issues. I am sure this machine will find many relics at decent depths, if depth is a major requirement in the first place. If you or any one else wants to get the maximum depth, and other bells and whistles, spend the money and buy whatever you want. Nobody has ever stated that the ACE 350 is one of the deepest machines on the market like many others do, they just redesigned an existing machine and coil for better performance along with a new chip to also enhance it's performance. A pretty nifty machine in my books for what you pay. And.....this new design also allows one to use the same coils as on the older models, which often is NOT the case as new models are produced.

I bet some very popular relic finds start showing up on the forums in the next several months as Garrett's new ACE 350 starts getting into more hands. Good luck to all, no matter which machine you use. :thumbup:
 
I guess thy left out manual GB to keep the price down and not compete against there own detectors.
I am sure good relics will be found as most hunters dig almost all targets at relic sites .
To call it a detector for nugget hunting seems like as stretch, Some of the worst ground in the
country is in the gold fields.While a DD coil will help a smaller DD and a GB can be the difference's.
 
I'm gonna add my .02 cents from a rookies point of view. I paid $212 for my ace with the "stock" coil, granted there were some "freebies" included, but honestly they had little value to me. Regardless, if you have a 250 and wanted to buy a larger coil, what would you pay (I believe I'd read $139)? Also I haven't a clue to the value of the headphones included with the 350, but the cost difference between the 250 & 350 (roughly $85) is much less than you could buy the coil & 'phones for. So if you want to look at it from a different angle, you're getting the coil, 'phones (just guessing say $160 retail), and then a spare detector for $140.

Got my name on the list to buy one, I really like my 250 and expect to feel the same (if not moreso) of the 350. Can't wait to take it out!
 
I remember when the Ace came out. Lots of people thought they were just toys and pieces of crap. This was from hunters that never used them. I for one couldn't hardly believe the hype - or so called hype. I fell into the trap and bought one. Only then did I find out it was all it was hyped up about. Especially for $200! I remember when Toyota started selling cars here. People said they were 40,000 mile throw away cars. In the mid 70's I was an auto mechanic. Some of the first pieces of crap Toyota's started coming in for service. Well all had over 100,000 miles on them! I remember a Corona that needed a valve job at 140,000 miles. No wear on the bores at all. What I'm saying is let the users of the 350's tell their stories. Or buy one yourself. Then and only then can you make those kind of statements. Let's give the 350 a chance.
 
Been relic hunting since 69 and see nothing that indicates to me it is a " Relic Hunter". What kind of ground balance does it have? 8khz would not be my pick to find low conductive metal. Just my opinion.
 
OK, I'm asking for educational purposes (for myself), but aren't relics found with nearly any MD? I understand that doesn't make them a relic specific MD though, so perhaps it's simply an advertising thing? I'm not knowledgeable enough of electronics to try and make any sort of point, just asking. Couldn't it (the 350) just as easily been called a "coin machine"?
 
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