Gold verses aluminum, via "Tony Diana" ear-training cd

[erikk]

if there are tones that are accurate on gold but they cant be heard because the user is tone deaf or has dodgy hearing why dont they have a voice synthesis that just says GOLD ,DIG HERE .such tones could be filtered and a speach mode spoken instead of a tone that you might not discern accurately

How about just digging all targets & not try to micro manage using your excal Set it on disc, threshold low humm, vollume 3/4 to max, sens around 1 o'clock, Disc 0/1 & HUNT

 

[Electro]

On the east coast of Florida and the treasure coast the old timers will often walk on the beach while leaving the detector in the car. They take a quick recon and can tell when the conditions are sanded in. It is almost like walking in snow. When the conditions are bad they do not hesitate to keep driving to another beach. Also when you know a beach well you know what signs to look for. When you are in Daytona Beach in front of the bandshell and you can see the wooden pilons from the 1930's you have great conditions. When you are in Vero Beach you can look at the sand covering the drainage pipe. Any beach that has a pier you can look at the pier pilons and see how high the sand is. One of the most successful hunters I have ever met Gary Drayton has an uncanny knack for walking a beach and walking away from it because he knows the conditions are not good. I believe he talks about this in his book.

Gary talks about this in his recent Minelab article:
http://www.minelab.com/usa/treasure-talk/interview-with-gary-drayton-spanish-treasure-hunter-part-1

 

[TheDualFieldBandit]

If someone can show otherwise, that gold DOES INDEED sound different, then my challenge remains: take this "recipe" of sounds to the nearest blighted park, and pass even a simple majority of trash, while digging any amount of gold jewelry that exceeds random chance.

Tom_in_CA I know this is not the challenge you brought forth. But it got me thinking. I know there can't be that many gold rings just flying off fingers in the local parks. So I thought about nickels and what type of results I'd get if I set out to dig only nickels? I did three park hunting sessions totaling one hundred and seven nickels and thirteen pieces of aluminum. Making for a 12% error in selecting only nickels. I did have help from my first nickel that I dug. Every time I got a low tone that sounded close to the nickel I'd sound checked it with the nickel in my hand. Plus I'd cross check it with a pull tab if I was uncertain. The longer I did this. The better I got at recognizing nickels....I don't know what's in Tony Diana's cd I have not listened to it? But would like to hear the cd. Just from my tests. I think if one was to dig from a certain mid tone and lower to a certain point. In the right situation one could certainly improve one's odds at recovering gold targets providing their there! From my collection of gold rings that I have. There's only two of them that sound higher than the nickel. So if one was to only dig from a certain mid tone and down. One might miss some gold targets. I think this would be condition dependant. Like if a place had a ton of pull tabs bogging you down. one might choose to dig only in a certain tone range? Other times one might choose to dig everything? It depends on what the person is looking for and what they might be willing to miss.HH

PS. I know nickels ain't gold this was just my test point.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Dual field bandit: going after nickels is easy. But you have to remember, that nickels are always 100% alike from the mint. Same shape, same size, same alloys, same weight, etc.... So it's easy to hone in on *just* that target. But gold rings on the other hand, are infinate in size, shape, alloys, weight, etc.... So your nickel experiment lends nothing to the "does gold sound different?" question. If all gold rings were exact in TID (like nickels are), then yes, you might say "gold rings sound different"

And you say:

"Like if a place had a ton of pull tabs bogging you down. one might choose to dig only in a certain tone range? ....."

This is also outside the question of "does gold sound different than aluminum?". This is merely the old "ring enhancement program" concept of rejecting commonly recurring types of trash. In no way is it reflective of gold sounding different than aluminum. And I might add Yes: this works when you're in a location where uniform trash (unbroken tabs for instance) abounts. But those same ring-enhancement programs can be thrown out the window, the minute you get in to a location where can slaw abounds. So you see, this too has nothing to do with the question of gold and aluminum sounding different.

 

[Neil]

Tom what detectors do you use, which model Sov and which model Excal are you currently hunting with?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Neil, I am currently using exclusively the explorer II. Also have a silver sabre and a compass 77b around for certain sites. But for all other general purpose hunting, I am using the explorer II (even for the beach, but just have to wrap it up if I expect to get slapped by waves, or hunt in storm-rains, etc....).

I used the excaliber for many years, starting from when it first came out. Wore through 2 of them, so I have many years experience on excalibers.

why do you ask?

 

[Neil]

So when Electro sent you Tonys CD you did not have either a Sov or Excal to use in conjunction with the CD?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

No, I do not have a sov or excal. in my hands right now. I have many years experience on excaliburs though. What difference would this make? Are you trying to say there would be a difference between aluminum and gold "if only a person had the machine in hand to practice with while listening to the CD"? If so, then I present to you my challenge (assuming you have an excal or sov "in hand" while listening to the CD): Can you take the machine out to a blighted junky park and pass the majority of aluminum, while accepting a percentage of gold rings?

Thus I'm not quite sure why you are asking your question, as it would have no bearing on the outcome of the point at hand.

 

[Neil]

Tom Ive already stated that I think there is a difference between gold and aluminum in sound. Your findings are just your findings, its very apparent that others have had different findings. there is nothing wrong with this.
yes having the detector your talking about might help your point.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Ok then: if you believe there is a difference in sound between aluminum and gold, is this an ability that you, yourself, have? Or do you know someone with this ability?

Can you, or they, then simply go to junky parks, and pass aluminum in favor of gold? Even if only a 30 to 1 odds ratio, to allow for an "imperfect system". (ie.: 30 trash to each gold item) most of us would GLADLY put up with ratios like that in turf, eh? Or would you say that your ratio would be more like 50 to 1? 100 to 1? etc... At what point does it become random odds Neil?

So please tell us if it's you personally, or someone you know, who has attained to this level of ability.

 

[Neil]

no more tom, you dont get it so you dont get it. I am fine with it. its no longer worth post on it.