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figuring out Tesoro sounds

"ScottBuckner" is right! its the coin shooter's that brought about metered target ID machines. I've always been a coin shooter, I started detecting that way in the beginning and I know how hard it is to switch over, how hard it is to dig all the so called trash (tabs, aluminum caps, wheel weights, lead sinkers)
Typical coin hunters has always hit public parks hard and for the most of them they felt it best to just disc out the tabs and the nickels, they could cover a lot of ground and many times come back with a fair amount of coins along with some silver coins and even some silver jewelry and call that a good day.
They (we) prided ourselves on being able to work around those annoying tabs and felt they wasn't losing that much by leaving a few nickels and a gold ring or two a year just wasn't worth the trouble. So, a beep & dig detector just didn't make any sense?? we wanted a better, deeper metered unit!
Our thinking was beep and digs units were only for relic hunters who seemed to have some passion for finding OLD rusty barn door hinges??? to us the coin shooters, that was the stuff we wanted to leave or work around and pluck out a silver half dollar (or other silver coin) wheat pennies weren't that great but more of a sign that there could be silver in the area.
The problem with this is "Patience's" or lack of it, we only wanted to dig coins!!!! we worked and worked to master our technics and we took great pride in at the end of the day coming home with 17 coins and only five trash digs, ZERO tabs! and we just blocked out the fact that we NEVER found a nickel, or any gold jewelry!

My oldest brother was a bit different in that he had "Patience's" and if you were to look through his detecting portfolio you would see a good deal of nickels, gold rings, LOTS of silver coins and THOUSANDS of tabs!!!
I'm still a coin shooter by nature! but the silver coins in our area is so few that you could hunt a whole summer and maybe only find two or three, so that's getting to be a waist of time to try and only hunt that way. A gold ring in the early 80's really didn't bring enough money to make it worthwhile to try and find one, us coin shooters left them! (Always Left Them), we worked around them just like the other junk. Well, now days this just doesn't make as much sense as it once did, I mean, a good size mans ring can bring several hundred dollars while that same little 30 or forty coins and NO silver might only be worth a buck seventy?? and hunting the coins means I know I'm leaving the gold???? so its still about the lack of "Patience's"
For me, I'm trying to take on the new idea that a "Tab" is a good find! its is a ring! its just not one that is worth anything, but its a good target none the less. Now if I go out with my metered machine I know I will just fall back to old habits and start leaving the tabs, nickels, and the gold.. So, the new mindset is to use a beep & dig and try to work around small iron, dig the tabs, dig the all the GOOD sounding responses above small iron, I call this jewelry hunting and just taking the coins as they come, yes! it takes "Patience's" and to me it makes more sense for a beep and dig detector for jewelry hunting than a metered unit, unless your not from the old school and just dig everything above small iron, but then what is the meter really doing for you? I mean gold is all over the place on a metered unit, so for me I have my metered models for clad stabbing and maybe silver coin hunting, but if I want to get the jewelry (the gold) then I can toss the meter out, with it I know I'll fall back to hunting the old way.

How much patience's do you have?
If your only interest is in clad and old coins then I would say research a good target ID model, if you have plenty of money and don't care about the gold and just like the idea of collecting old dug up coins then get a target ID model.
If, your into relics just get a GOOD, Deep Beep and dig unit.

I got my Tejon with the idea that if get the chance to do some jewelry hunting (take the coins as they come) then I didn't want to fall back to old habits and I wanted a detector that is known to be really good on targets in the gold range, I wanted it simple and deep unit that loves gold and then its up to me to practice "Patience's" and think of a tab as a good target, that could have been a gold ring! and with all I dug that day not one piece of junk iron!!

Mark
 
I dont understand the term "beep and dig". Tesoros discriminate wonderfully.You can cherry pick with them.Just set the disc up.

I have an older whites Eagle with tones and TID identification. One of the problems with it , is its failure to correctly ID deep old coins. I feel my analog Vaquero does a much better job than the digital eagle on those targets . The eagle is faster at cherry picking shallow coins though but not much faster.
 
Mark nailed it.....

If you want gold you'll have to dig tabs and junk... I'm a coin guy and try for the older silver. I've had the "notch" on my GSII set where I rarely dig a pull tab and NEVER dig gold or nickels. The low hanging fruit (silver) has been pretty much picked and with the high disc I run on the GSII the machine is only good for about 4-5" on silver dime and about 6" on silver quarter. I needed a deeper machine that gave me a little more info so I got the Etrac for that purpose. I'm learning the Et but one thing I noticed is that I'm digging nickels and gold again (which I haven't dug in yrs) because every once in awhile with the Et I'll get a "textbook" nickel signal, #'s will be "perfect" so I'll take a shot at it being a nickel and dig it. 80% of the time a nickel pops out and the other day I popped a gold ring. I normally pass on nickels but now that I have the extra info I sometimes take a chance on nickel signals when I'm really after silver coins. It has actually been nice digging the occasional nickle once again. If you want the gold it's more a #'s game and you have to dig junk to find the gold.....Tesoro's are fast and laser pinpoint and the right machine for THAT style of hunting. I have the best of both worlds with the GSII and the Etrac. imho
 
hatpin said:
I dont understand the term "beep and dig". Tesoros discriminate wonderfully.You can cherry pick with them.Just set the disc up.

mono tone machine with only slight hints tone wise as to what you may be digging. Multi tone....MUCH more info to increase your odds of knowing what you're digging.....
 
hatpin said:
I dont understand the term "beep and dig". Tesoros discriminate wonderfully.You can cherry pick with them.Just set the disc up.

I have an older whites Eagle with tones and TID identification. One of the problems with it , is its failure to correctly ID deep old coins. I feel my analog Vaquero does a much better job than the digital eagle on those targets . The eagle is faster at cherry picking shallow coins though but not much faster.
Beep & Dig!
Any machine that has NO meter to Target ID and usually only ONE single tone!
That doesn't mean that it has NO audio discrimination as far as a good sound or a bad sound.

Mark
 
The problem I have with a metered machine is by their design they are made to ID certain targets that are made of a narrow consistency like coins is primary so when I go out in a place that's been pretty much tilled by detector-est searching for coins in public places that leaves tabs and jewelry. There is NO WAY to ID a gold ring (to put it to scale) because its size, and weight, very so much that they can land anywhere from foil to Zinc pennies and ANY good signal anywhere in that range could be a piece of Gold. So, I'm going for the Beep & Dig and try to get those good signals along with the coins.
Then for Fairgrounds and clad stabbing I'll use one of my metered machines, there is NO WAY I would even consider doing this style of hunting with a beep & dig detector! I'll use either my Omega or my Coinstrike.

Mark
 
If I hunted in disc mode, I would switch to all metal to see what it sounded like. If I compared the two sounds in my head, was eventually able to determine targets more precisely whether to dig or not. The all metal side had a better language. Then with a fast sweep over a target could also give me a clue as to good or trash.
 
Thank you for the answers. I have one question. The guy in this video can notch pull tabs out without excluding a gold ring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxz6oueP4t0
The question is: Is it working, because the gold ring and the pull tabs don't share the exact same ID?

Let's say, if I would measure both targets with my Deus and the pull tab like the gold ring had (for example) an ID of "64". Would the Golden Umax still notch this pull tab out, or does it only work because they are not in the same range?
 
x99 said:
Thank you for the answers. I have one question. The guy in this video can notch pull tabs out without excluding a gold ring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxz6oueP4t0
The question is: Is it working, because the gold ring and the pull tabs don't share the exact same ID?

Let's say, if I would measure both targets with my Deus and the pull tab like the gold ring had (for example) an ID of "64". Would the Golden Umax still notch this pull tab out, or does it only work because they are not in the same range?
The ring he used and the pull tab he used was far enough apart in the target ID range that the detector could separate them, but put them in the ground, bend the tab a little differently, change the size of the ring a little and the problem starts. Rings of different sizes move up and down the scale a lot, and pulls tabs of different sizes and different shapes do the same thing.

Mark
 
Thank you Mark. I found an interesting video with a comparison of many gold/silver rings, pull tabs and coins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XouuXot28e4
I'm sure, every ID has X possible objects, and as you said, they all in the soil instead of "clean air". :(
 
MichiganJason said:
I know for a fact that the Vaquero audio is horrible and useless. The audio on the silver umax is much better and offers more info.

Well , if thats a fact then its the end of discussion.
 
BillF said:
No detector is foolproof but I will say that the detector I use now is a tone and meter machine. I can go into the most trash infested areas and pick coins out by the tone,every time.

Every time ?

The Vaquero does beep on bottle caps, sometimes maxed out on the disc. Usually , though, the sound quality is greatly diminished once it is thumbed past nickle.

I think that if your machine says its junk, I will also interpret it as junk, most of the time. If yours say its a coin mine usually will too.
 
oneguy said:
hatpin said:
I dont understand the term "beep and dig". Tesoros discriminate wonderfully.You can cherry pick with them.Just set the disc up.

mono tone machine with only slight hints tone wise as to what you may be digging. Multi tone....MUCH more info to increase your odds of knowing what you're digging.....

Don't know about that.
I hunt with both kinds and learned both kinds.
I seem to be able to tell just about as much about targets with my Tesoros as my screen units.
Maybe a bit more trash digging with my Tesoros, but not a whole bunch at all...very little, actually, and I seem to find a ton with both kinds.
WAY more than just "slight hints" are there if you learn the real language.
 
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