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faults of the x-70....
- Thread starter seeker41
- Start date
Hey Digger it finally froze up here! First year I ever saw that you could dig or water hunt after Christmas! My fault with the 70 was (and is still a little) it's tendency to give audio and meter readings on SOME iron targets in the positive 30 to 44 (across the whole scale from 30 on up) along with little if any threshold dropoff. Enough of these to present an issue anyway. I posted the query a while ago and got some input and I discovered a couple of things on my own. Here is what I came up with (still a work in progress)Suggestions were to run in all metal, change the sweep speed(I was already doing that) and some other things. I now run as my primary pattern blocking the first two negative numbers but allowing the rest of the negative numbers to sound off. I found this greatly helps notify me of iron but does not overwhelm me with iron low audio tones like all metal.Next I really swing fast and or chop past the target, listning for any indication the signal is failing. Most times your numbers will go to hell on the negative side, you will start out with a 34 and it will go 34 30 32 28 14 20 something like that. I make at least four or five quick passes over the target. I also find that if your numbers tend to accumulate( start with a 34 and go 36 34 32 38 36) you most likely have a good target near junk. That seems to take care of most of the 'false' targets that look and sound great but turn out to be iron junk. And then there is always the piece of junk God wants you to dig no matter WHAT you do!
Anyway, the xterra-70 does have that fault, most detectors have this fault to a greater or lesser degree or some other 'issue' in their operation you have to learn to get around or put up with. Try opening up a couple of iron numbers so you hear some low iron , run only 3 tones (not 4) so the false signals don't keep grabbing your attention( a lot of them make the 4 th tone sound off), and really zip the coil past the target very fast a few times, watching for lowering numbers and/or audio tones. A good target will seldom be missed with this routine, they usually keep decent numbers and audio no matter how fast you chop the coil past them.
Anyway, the xterra-70 does have that fault, most detectors have this fault to a greater or lesser degree or some other 'issue' in their operation you have to learn to get around or put up with. Try opening up a couple of iron numbers so you hear some low iron , run only 3 tones (not 4) so the false signals don't keep grabbing your attention( a lot of them make the 4 th tone sound off), and really zip the coil past the target very fast a few times, watching for lowering numbers and/or audio tones. A good target will seldom be missed with this routine, they usually keep decent numbers and audio no matter how fast you chop the coil past them.
That "chop" sweep, as you describe it, has been very effective in my Musky hunting. Even though the technology of the X-Terra is much different than the Advantage, I find many of the techniques I use on it are applicable to the X-Terra. If you get a chance to read "Musky Hunting Made Easy", it will better explain what I am referring to. Thanks for the input. HH Randy
http://206.188.2.79/faq/faq_musketeer.htm
http://206.188.2.79/faq/faq_musketeer.htm
Carolina Phil
New member
My only complaint is the flawed design of the X-terra's stand. The detector will fall over. The stand is neither wide nor tall enough. The battery compartment being at the top of the control box makes the problem worse, by making the detector top heavy when on its stand. It's best to lay the detector on its side when putting it down so that a fall over will not damage the control box.
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Anonymous
Guest
n/t
The 70 is a very good allround detector. My impression of the detector after some moths hold some points to be aware of but its not really faults, more like you have to be aware in some applications.
I had to cut off the lower stem a few inches to make it adjust for both me and my son, no problem and they now have a shorter one for a few bucks.
The detector is very deep on higher conductors and bigger Items, I think thats why You see so many very satisfied users in US ( im in Europe)It will have no problems finding US coinage deep.Way better then average! Deep coins can give a solid 48 reading, You must use prospect mode to tell if such a signal is a hotrock. I have found a halfdollar sice coppercoin at 15"
A little less sensitive to the lower conductors and no deeper then the average detectors on those targets, in Europe the elusive hammered is in foil and nickel range.Helps a little with the 18 khz coil but it still is average in that class.This also helps the US coin hunter in that way that coins smash through the small trash better.Small hammered coinage can give a -2-4 ID. Seems like it ID lower conductors lower and higher conductors higher then it should.
The sensitivity has a huge gap from lowest to highest, not like Tesoro or similar with only 20% visible depth loss in airtests. Test for yourself and meausere it on your coins. This has some benefit in deep iron that it wont mask the shallow coins but also may fool you on depth capability if you dont understand the broad adjustment range and think its just another detector.
Prospect mode is more sensitive to lower conductors aswell as coins but You WILL need the best headphones You can get. Iron mask in a true allmetal mode is really a very good addition to this detector, but beware, it has a very slow recovery after a null. If you undrestand when to use that option you will get "impossible" finds.
Recovery speed in disc is fast if you detect wide open and let the tones tell you, disc out something and its not so fast after a null.Still ok though.
Use track ON, it is a better discriminator to Iron with that on.In some places go to manual balance and use 2+ offset. I am still testing that out though, I dont know if Minelab have the track allready at some +.
The sound seems to me a bit crispy, i cant get a clear tone in mine in anything but prospect mode. Maybe mine but think not. There is some low crisp to the beginning and end of the signal.Its the same with many phones too.
Thats all I can think of now.
bfodnes
I had to cut off the lower stem a few inches to make it adjust for both me and my son, no problem and they now have a shorter one for a few bucks.
The detector is very deep on higher conductors and bigger Items, I think thats why You see so many very satisfied users in US ( im in Europe)It will have no problems finding US coinage deep.Way better then average! Deep coins can give a solid 48 reading, You must use prospect mode to tell if such a signal is a hotrock. I have found a halfdollar sice coppercoin at 15"
A little less sensitive to the lower conductors and no deeper then the average detectors on those targets, in Europe the elusive hammered is in foil and nickel range.Helps a little with the 18 khz coil but it still is average in that class.This also helps the US coin hunter in that way that coins smash through the small trash better.Small hammered coinage can give a -2-4 ID. Seems like it ID lower conductors lower and higher conductors higher then it should.
The sensitivity has a huge gap from lowest to highest, not like Tesoro or similar with only 20% visible depth loss in airtests. Test for yourself and meausere it on your coins. This has some benefit in deep iron that it wont mask the shallow coins but also may fool you on depth capability if you dont understand the broad adjustment range and think its just another detector.
Prospect mode is more sensitive to lower conductors aswell as coins but You WILL need the best headphones You can get. Iron mask in a true allmetal mode is really a very good addition to this detector, but beware, it has a very slow recovery after a null. If you undrestand when to use that option you will get "impossible" finds.
Recovery speed in disc is fast if you detect wide open and let the tones tell you, disc out something and its not so fast after a null.Still ok though.
Use track ON, it is a better discriminator to Iron with that on.In some places go to manual balance and use 2+ offset. I am still testing that out though, I dont know if Minelab have the track allready at some +.
The sound seems to me a bit crispy, i cant get a clear tone in mine in anything but prospect mode. Maybe mine but think not. There is some low crisp to the beginning and end of the signal.Its the same with many phones too.
Thats all I can think of now.
bfodnes
Jackpine Savage
Active member
Well stated!
BJ in Okla.
Active member
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Anonymous
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Thats the big myth Non_tecknetic owners latch on to Because of blowhards like Andy who had first run t-2 beepers.
any -interefence- have been corrected long ago. My t-2 is a #6-r update with no problems and i just read on the t-2 forum 'Seeker' is leaning toward a t2- good man--all your glowin' faultless posts didnt fool him--
hang your hats on -Interference- as the 1 fault--
I owned an X-terrable and can help seeker out with many more----
-Sloooooooow recovery
-tips over every hole-
-weak audio
-speaker cuts out
-rods too long
-iron reads 44 48
-turns itself on-off
AJ
any -interefence- have been corrected long ago. My t-2 is a #6-r update with no problems and i just read on the t-2 forum 'Seeker' is leaning toward a t2- good man--all your glowin' faultless posts didnt fool him--
hang your hats on -Interference- as the 1 fault--
I owned an X-terrable and can help seeker out with many more----
-Sloooooooow recovery
-tips over every hole-
-weak audio
-speaker cuts out
-rods too long
-iron reads 44 48
-turns itself on-off
AJ
BJ in Okla.
Active member
A friend of mine had a T-2 that he bought used from a dealer.
Interference was not a Myth on his, you could be hunting and get into the interference, some times it was so bad that it would do away with his settings. Each time that you turn it on, he would have to put his settings back in.
Now maybe this is the one that Andy had, that he took back to the factory to fix ????
One coil for the T-2 ( 11" ) the places that we hunt are so trashy that its hard to find a clean spot to ground bal. a 5" coil.
The update that you are talking about, why should some one who just spent $800.00 on a high priced Bounty Hunter have to spend another $60 or so dollars for Bounty Hunter to fix it ????
Where is the $934.15 T-2 called a F-75 ???? Does it have problems ?
Is that why its not out yet.
I will say that the T-2 did have the fastest recovery speed of any unit that I have ever used.
The X-Terra is not the perfect unit because the perfect unit has not been made yet. Same for the Terrible 2"s.....
Interference was not a Myth on his, you could be hunting and get into the interference, some times it was so bad that it would do away with his settings. Each time that you turn it on, he would have to put his settings back in.
Now maybe this is the one that Andy had, that he took back to the factory to fix ????
One coil for the T-2 ( 11" ) the places that we hunt are so trashy that its hard to find a clean spot to ground bal. a 5" coil.
The update that you are talking about, why should some one who just spent $800.00 on a high priced Bounty Hunter have to spend another $60 or so dollars for Bounty Hunter to fix it ????
Where is the $934.15 T-2 called a F-75 ???? Does it have problems ?
Is that why its not out yet.
I will say that the T-2 did have the fastest recovery speed of any unit that I have ever used.
The X-Terra is not the perfect unit because the perfect unit has not been made yet. Same for the Terrible 2"s.....
Kelley (Texas)
New member
He never contributes anything constructive to this Forum...same for a few other forums that he visits. If he is not bashing the X-Terra, he is busy bashing a dealer. I do not understand why he comes to this Forum and toots his horn about the T-2 while tearing down the X-Terra. It is just poor manners on his part and after a period of time folks get tired of hearing his trash talk. Kelley (Texas) 
Dick from IA
New member
Great comments, Kelley.
This thread has been a dandy; at least till it got hijacked.
This thread, and helpful comments and PMs helped me realize what a good detector the X is, and prompted me to take it off the market and put it back to use where it belongs, in my hands, and quit worrying about finding the next "Super Duper Deeper Detector".
This thread has been a dandy; at least till it got hijacked.
This thread, and helpful comments and PMs helped me realize what a good detector the X is, and prompted me to take it off the market and put it back to use where it belongs, in my hands, and quit worrying about finding the next "Super Duper Deeper Detector".
Kelley (Texas)
New member
Like most new models, the X-Terra had a few problems when first introduced, but Minelab addressed the issues and we seldom hear about them any more. I kinda think that many folks have judged the X-Terra on the basis of conflicting personalities rather than on the actual merits of the detector. Kelley (Texas) 
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Anonymous
Guest
I came back to this forum because BJob spouted off about a beeper he never owned calling it an -$800 bounty hunter-
oh sure- typical-"i had a friend stories'- dont even bother to respond if you have never owned one yourself--
I didnt even git into how much deeper the -$800 bounty hunter- is and once you git tricked into buying a load of special coils youll be in for well over $800 for a slooooooooooooow average detetcor--
Plus-- the fellow was askin' for both Xterrable and t2 opinions and since yes i have owned both unlike u cretins-someone had to come up with something besides the glowing reports---
old california have both and he is begginin to tell it like it is to--
Sorry to shake up the happy little austrailian forum-- keep over looking that long list of problems and maybe youll git another free one????????????????????--- its all about sucking up in here---
-keep pickin' up that XT off the ground--
your best pal-
AJ
oh sure- typical-"i had a friend stories'- dont even bother to respond if you have never owned one yourself--
I didnt even git into how much deeper the -$800 bounty hunter- is and once you git tricked into buying a load of special coils youll be in for well over $800 for a slooooooooooooow average detetcor--
Plus-- the fellow was askin' for both Xterrable and t2 opinions and since yes i have owned both unlike u cretins-someone had to come up with something besides the glowing reports---
old california have both and he is begginin to tell it like it is to--
Sorry to shake up the happy little austrailian forum-- keep over looking that long list of problems and maybe youll git another free one????????????????????--- its all about sucking up in here---
-keep pickin' up that XT off the ground--
your best pal-
AJ