Dowsing and Detecting in combination?

[Lensman]

Been training with an experienced dowser for the last couple of weeks, and have actually been able to get "signals" on silver that's been planted for training purposes. Has anyone out there tried dowsing in combination with detecting? I'm going to try it the next time I go out to check the spot where I recently found big silver. My dowser friend said that at the very least, the rods may help me get into right general area, and then the CTX can do its magic. Anything that helps zero in on the goal certainly couldn't hurt. This guy used dowsing rods to recover an almost three foot long piece of woolly mammoth tusk in Alaska.

 

[GKMan]

I have never have...But if it works for you go for it!

We were recently discussing on another forum folks that dowse for unmarked graves so it's a funny coincidence this came up here

 

[AngelicStorm]

How does this work?

 

[GKMan]

Magic

 

[AngelicStorm]

Oooh Cool. Magic + Metal Detecting=Epic Finds.

 

[GKMan]

Eh ya know if it works, great. I believe quite a few well controlled studies have disproved any real powers in dowsing, but if someone wants to try it, I hope it works for you.

 

[Johnnyanglo]

Dowsing is nonsense. Been disproven over and over. Those LRL (long range locators) are just boxes with jumbled resistors and wires attached to a circuit card from a waffle iron, all soldered together in meaningless fashion. It's a scam designed to get your money. If it makes you happy to be deceived - enjoy!

 

[AngelicStorm]

Yeeah, I was leaning toward it being fake the whole time. Was just trying to be funny. Why would a Wooly Mammoth Tusk attract a dowser? Some "Spiritual Magnetic Energy"?

 

[nagov]

Well, since this has gone a bit whimsical...... what if you were strong enough to hold two 3030's up in the air to use as dowsing rods?????? It would save time not having to put down the dowsing rods and pick up the 3030!

 

[Southwind]

I think dowsing has some merit but not in the way it is presented to people how metal detect. The human mind is capable of amazing and unexplained feats that much has been proved as fact. I personally have been involved with two different dowsing events and both were no accident.

 

[brother steve]

So do you have to ground balance before you dowse?

 

[CZconnoisseur]

It definitely works; but you don't necessarily need dowsing rods to find treasure - only the desire and the right kind of focus. There are people like myself who believe in it, and have found items - both metallic and non-metallic by focusing on finding what they have in mind. Doesn't work for everyone as far as I've seen, and the naysayers are just as adamant as the believers...

I remember when I was 10 years old there was a late 1940s Chevy pickup truck behind our property that had been sitting since the 1960s. My first thought as a youngster was "I wonder what's under the seat?" Not really expecting to find anything, I opened the door with some effort and started sifting through the debris that used to be the bench seat of the vehicle. Found lots of screws, nails, trash, etc; but I kept looking and finally found a purple coin-sized flat washer that I put in my pocket to look at later.
Didn't find anything else, but upon cleaning up that single find - it turned out to be a worn Standing Liberty quarter - 1930 IIRC....

I didn't wake up that day thinking I would find silver - but was drawn subconsciously out to the truck and my curiosity took over. I can share numerous similar stories of treasure hunting in storm drains where I've found thousands upon thousands of (mostly clad) coins that NO ONE had ever searched before. And this was inside a major metropolitan area!

I know there are a great deal of people who won't hunt without electronic equipment - but in my opinion for what it's worth YOU CAN find plenty of treasure by both using the right kind of controlled focus AND using a detector. YOU - your mind - is the detector, and anything else simply aids to get said treasure into your hands, or it reduces the search area to a tiny area (pinpointing). I don't know how many times recently on night hunts where I dig a plug upon receiving a good signal, and without a light thrust my fingers in the hole and get the target. Call it an attraction, or a feeling, sometimes when Im really close my fingers will just clamp down onto the (usually a coin) target without me having pinpointed or even shining a light in the hole...don't know how else to explain it other than when I'm detecting - I FEEL more "attracted" to old coins and relics while in that mindset. It really helps me unwind after a long day in the retail biz...

You'd probably have better results like you said by dowsing to get into the general area and then letting your 3030 pinpoint items. I don't own a 3030 but I know it's a very sensitive and DEEP machine! But if you believe dowsing works and you've already seen personal results, don't discount that to "Pure Luck". The human mind is capable of so many things we don't quite fully grasp yet, and keeping an open mind and focus for what you're after will most certainly pay off.

 

[Southwind]

I watched a guy dowse our sewer lines and was totally freaked out. We had bought a new place on the edge of town and the sewer backed up. We called a plummer who asked us where the septic tank was and of course we had no idea. He said no problem and pulled out a dowsing rod from his truck, It was about 4' long, made of stainless steel and was sharpened to a point on one end and a T handle on the other. He asked if we knew where the line came out of the house and we said no. He walked across the backyard holding the rod by the T handle until it fell over. He marked the spot with the heel of his foot and said this was where the line runs from the house. He then walked out toward the back for a ways until again the rod fell over and he said this is where your tank is at. He went back to where he had marked the line with his heel and out loud said "I wonder is it is an asbestos line" he then started pushing the steel rod point first into the ground and at about 3' down you could hear it hit something. He tapped it a few times and said "Yup, asbestos" he then pushed it hard and punched the line. When he pulled the rod out crap came out of the little hole left by the rod. He had not only dowsed the line but proved he had it dead on the money. They brought our a backhoe and dug right where he said the tank was and sure enough about 4' down were railroad ties over the tank.

He either knew where the stuff was all along, and put on a hell of a show, or he dowsed it.

 

[oneguy]

I watched a guy dowse our sewer lines and was totally freaked out.

I have also dowsed sewer lines. A co. was building a new sewer system in our small town and I happened to be walking by where 3-4 of the construction crew were all standing around looking at a map and wondering why they couldn't find the old sewer line to dig up (according to their map). I said I could try and dowse it if they wanted....they hesitated and snickered then asked if I "REALLY" thought I could find it? I said "get me some long metal peices like a coat hanger and I'll give it a shot". Found their sewer line about 2-2.5ft from where they were digging....the map was wrong. They are now believers......

Way me and a buddy came about dowsing was from an old logger we worked with. He told us that when they lost something metal in the deep snow they would dowse it and 90% of the time find it with the dowsing rods. Me and my bud laughed...the old boy told us to get a couple coat hangers and he'd prove it. We got the hangers...old logger tossed various sizes of tools on the ground, told us how to hold the bent coat hangers, then head towards the tools and let the rods do their thing. Blew me (and my bud) away as the rods crossed directly over the tools and as I'd back away from the tool the rods would open back up to parallel....go towards tool they cross again...back away and they open up again. My bud that I learned with was drunk, rolled his PU on highway and all his tools got lost along side the snowy road (he's a logging mechanic by trade). He went back the next day and found all his tools in the snow and said he'd probably only lost 3-4 sockets from the whole bunch of tools he dumped.

I've only done it with metal rods and larger objects with success...it works. Tried to do the willow stick/ water thing but no luck with that......


try it..... Grab a couple coat hangers (filler rod for welding works great) and bend them straight as possible. Now ad a 90 degree bend (or almost 90 degree) in an L shape like a handle. Hold the "L" shape (or handle) in each hand and let the hanger kinda just lay in the palm of your hand with the L part and the long part of the rods over the top of your RELAXED hands pointing straight out and about 1.5-2' apart. You're not really holding the rods....but letting them "float" in your hands. Walk over your metal target....gently rock back and forth.....watch the rods do their thing!!!!!!

cool stuff.........

 

[Southwind]

Well my second experience I mentioned is from me and a couple of coat hangers. Don't believe me just as my buddy silvergold here on Findmall. He was there and witnessed it all.

It was probably in the early 90's and we had just been reading one of those detecting mags(Lost Treasure/Eastern & Western Treasure/Found). There was an article about dowsing using two coat hangers. We decided to give it a try. Took two coat hangers and bent them in an L shape and went outside. I told him I was thinking of silver as I turned in a circle. Every time I pointed toward and open field they would cross so we decided to go out in the field. I grabbed my detector as we headed out. I was swinging just behind him as we got to the place we thought it was pointing out and I get a nice hit on my detector. I looked down and right where John had just walked over I could see a Walking Liberty Half sticking half way out of the ground but black. I called him over and said look and pointed to it. It was a 1944 Walker. Now sure it was probably little more than luck, but there is no denying the only reason I found that half was from dowsing.

 

[DEEP-ON]

Dowsing is for real, I have been able to do it since I was a kid, I dont think everyone can do it, my dad could, he worked for the phone co and used to find phone cables in the ground all the time, I have been with the phone co too for 28 years and have done it many many times over the years.I think for a coin I will use my etrac or my ctx 3030, but I can find a fairly large object very easy with two pieces of #6 copper wire every time.

 

[Johnnyanglo]

Yes. Like believing that dowsing has any scientific basis. Incomprehensible.

Thinking that something might be lost under a truck seat and then finding something lost under the truck seat is the power of reason. The likelihood was better under the seat than elsewhere. I used to find coins under the food racks in our small-town general store. It was a reasonable assumption that coins would roll there - and so they did. If I had used a coat hanger to find the coins it wouldn't be any different - just me influencing the wire subconsciously to get the results I already suspected were there.

Should a plumber already suspect, based on observational evidence, where the sewer line should be, it is only once removed to subconsciously (or consciously) make your dowsing wire respond to your intent. This is exactly how dowsing 'works' - people respond with their body to the expectation they have formed, based on prior knowledge and experience.

Real scientific tests have shown so-called 'professional' dowsers using their hips and arms to influence the wire. Why? Because they were subtly influencing the wire to correspond with their expectations. When they were required to find a buried item to which they had no prior knowledge and experience (they had no idea where it was hid and couldn't use their experience with plat maps to guide them as a plumber would), they couldn't find it.

These tests have been repeated ad nauseam and no dowser has done anything close to identifying the correct spot. They later claim blocked energy and such, but the whole thing is a scam. Sadly the dowser may truly and sincerely believe it can work, buying into some theory of hidden dowsing power or mental energy (people are fooled every day into believing things that make no sense).

As to two rods crossing when near an exposed object ... tests again show that as the dowser neared the target they bent forward ever so slightly, which allowed the rods to dip forward. Some would drop their wrist a fraction of an inch (can be seen on tape) to allow gravity to pull the rods together. Again, it is only necessary for the dowser to relax and let their involuntary muscle control react to the impulse from their subconscious. It isn't magic or scientific principles - other than psychology - it is really just at the level of a party trick, and nothing more.

If you want to test your dowsing ability - have someone hide a coin in a field without your knowledge. Then have the dowser find it. But the person that hid it cannot be present (turns out that even then the dowser picks up clues from the person who hid it by how they react - all subconsciously). The dowser will fail every time.

The spot the dowser picks will coincide with what seemed most logical with having the highest probability to the person holding the dowsing rods of yielding success. This is equivalent to a 'hunch' but is really based on experience - the dowsing rod is just another way of confirming the 'hunch'. In reality the dowser is subconsciously looking for signs of a recently dug hole (power of observation at work) or imaging where they would hide the coin (experience at work). The dowser could just as easily walk around the field empty handed and then finally stop and say "I think it feels like it should be here", without the dowsing instruments. They'd still be wrong but the rods crossing or dipping (on command) just make better theater.

Johnnyanglo

 

[cosmic]

There are a multitude of things science can't explain of yet...

 

[CZconnoisseur]

Yes. Like believing that dowsing has any scientific basis. Incomprehensible.

Thinking that something might be lost under a truck seat and then finding something lost under the truck seat is the power of reason. The likelihood was better under the seat than elsewhere. I used to find coins under the food racks in our small-town general store. It was a reasonable assumption that coins would roll there - and so they did. If I had used a coat hanger to find the coins it wouldn't be any different - just me influencing the wire subconsciously to get the results I already suspected were there.

Should a plumber already suspect, based on observational evidence, where the sewer line should be, it is only once removed to subconsciously (or consciously) make your dowsing wire respond to your intent. This is exactly how dowsing 'works' - people respond with their body to the expectation they have formed, based on prior knowledge and experience.

Real scientific tests have shown so-called 'professional' dowsers using their hips and arms to influence the wire. Why? Because they were subtly influencing the wire to correspond with their expectations. When they were required to find a buried item to which they had no prior knowledge and experience (they had no idea where it was hid and couldn't use their experience with plat maps to guide them as a plumber would), they couldn't find it.

These tests have been repeated ad nauseam and no dowser has done anything close to identifying the correct spot. They later claim blocked energy and such, but the whole thing is a scam. Sadly the dowser may truly and sincerely believe it can work, buying into some theory of hidden dowsing power or mental energy (people are fooled every day into believing things that make no sense).

As to two rods crossing when near an exposed object ... tests again show that as the dowser neared the target they bent forward ever so slightly, which allowed the rods to dip forward. Some would drop their wrist a fraction of an inch (can be seen on tape) to allow gravity to pull the rods together. Again, it is only necessary for the dowser to relax and let their involuntary muscle control react to the impulse from their subconscious. It isn't magic or scientific principles - other than psychology - it is really just at the level of a party trick, and nothing more.

If you want to test your dowsing ability - have someone hide a coin in a field without your knowledge. Then have the dowser find it. But the person that hid it cannot be present (turns out that even then the dowser picks up clues from the person who hid it by how they react - all subconsciously). The dowser will fail every time.

The spot the dowser picks will coincide with what seemed most logical with having the highest probability to the person holding the dowsing rods of yielding success. This is equivalent to a 'hunch' but is really based on experience - the dowsing rod is just another way of confirming the 'hunch'. In reality the dowser is subconsciously looking for signs of a recently dug hole (power of observation at work) or imaging where they would hide the coin (experience at work). The dowser could just as easily walk around the field empty handed and then finally stop and say "I think it feels like it should be here", without the dowsing instruments. They'd still be wrong but the rods crossing or dipping (on command) just make better theater.

Johnnyanglo

Like I said before, the naysayers are just as adamant as the believers...and that's fine! Some people equate dowsing with some sort of religious experience, and religion has caused countless wars over the years - so I'm not going to try and convince anyone otherwise. Out of body experiences on the operating table have no scientific basis either, but those that have that experience believe SOMETHING happened - something science is not able to explain...yet

 

[Johnnyanglo]

People are by nature spiritual - created in the image of God. Therefore people are by their very nature religious. We can evaluate their beliefs based on true science and an appeal to logic. Appeals to the 'unknown' and mysterious mind-powers are neither scientific or logical, especially when they fail every rational test - which dowsing does.

While no one can convince someone who has entered the world of irrationality - it is still worth affirming that the truth is not up for sale.

Johnnyanglo