Do any of you all own both a legend and equinox?

[CoinRobber]

So not that the lower frequency doesn’t go deeper but rather my point would be that it would be equivalent to ML offering a coil for the xterra in 3khz and then they come out with another one at 2khz
Would you buy the one at 2khz if you already have the 3khz

I can see if you have a 7khz and then you get a 3khz but to go from 3 to 2 is not feasible imo
So with the nox going from 5khz and adding a 4khz is it really going to be a big difference

Why would they bother for 1 khz difference, Manufacturers add these little extra things because it will help get more sales . Metal detector buyers and users are very gullible to paying money
out for extra features and fancy names . 1khz will make no difference worth even talking about when it comes to getting a performance increase by reducing the frequency by only 1khz .
I dare any one to prove otherwise. So what advantage will 4 Khz have over 5 Khz. also i think they add a lot of so called programs just for the sake of it , it helps to sell detectors.
and i never have been obsessed by settings , people like paystreak superfreak are obsessed by settings . Like making a few little adjustments will not do anything much at all to find more.
I usually switch on and detect thats it. No fiddling around with settings for me , except sensitivity. I have wasted time messing with settings years back but i came to the conclusion that
getting the coil over a good target that is in range is the most important thing.

 

[BobOso]

Thanks Bob , do you think it has anything to do with just what you were used to and comfortable with as that is usually what makes someone successful with a detector or have you really noticed a big difference

I believe it was because I was used to the nox more than anything, but with the deus being able to modify a program to only cherry pick had its advantage. Some days it was coins from homeless parks, other days it was for jewelry at better parks, and even better for a club that hides Pesos. If I use the nox or legend on Pesos, they are either discriminated out, or you waste time digging everything.

 

[BobOso]

I own equinox 800 and Legend. More of a learning curve with the Legend but got it down now. Legend has fixed Minelab weak ears on coil, shaft wobble and wireless phones are much easier to pair. Love the coil light, the vibrate and more stable near electric interference. I have owned the ctx3030, Etrac, Excalibur and the equinox 600 and 800. I would never left Minelab if they fixed the coil and wobble problems. They have a great warranty for three years but who wants to keep sending it back. Also a weak arm cuff and some have had leakage problems. Happy with Legend so far and price can’t be beat.

They just came out with a 700 and 900, both use the same coils, but the shaft has been improved, they use the Manicore shaft.

 

[MuddyMo]

The difference percentage wise between 4 and 5khz is 20% just as 16 and 20khz is 20% so I do believe it could make a difference. Not necessarily always good though.

 

[ukrob]

i own 2 nox 800s and they are the dogs b------ks for recovery speed and beach hunting,the only thing that lets the nox down is the water proofing,ive managed to drowned 2 by having them under 6" to a foot of water,and thats why i bought the legend,as yet i cant say how good the legend is as ive only used it a few times because i only do beaches (i live on the coast) and at the moment the local beach has way way way too much sand to be worth detecting so im hoping we get some storms to strip some of the sand away so i can give the legend a good try out.

 

[bwstephen]

They just came out with a 700 and 900, both use the same coils, but the shaft has been improved, they use the Manicore shaft.

Definitely help with the ears on coil, they lost a lot of customers by not fixing problems sooner. Still got Nox. but using Nokta Legend now. It’s a much more rugged machine.

 

[oldkoot]

That’s how Minelab designed the 600 & 800. The information that I provided is in the user manual. Both the 600 and 800 run identical multi-frequencies in their respective modes.
For single frequencies on the 600, you are correct. The 600 has, 5khz, 10khz and 15khz. The 800 had 5,10,15,20 and 40khz.
Digdog wrote:
…“I asked on the equinox forum how the two compare the 600 and 800 and some say the 600 and 800 run identical in smf mode.
But if it has three less frequencies how does it run identical”…

ok so what that tells me is both the 600 and 800 have the same modes Park,field and maybe beach both have 5,10,and 15 KHz which both can run a combination of 5,10,and 15 KHz in those 3 modes the 800 has the gold field mode and the 600 does not, so they are similar in the fact thay the 600 and 800 runs the same three frequencies but the 600 can not run the 20 and 40 KHz like the 800

in my mind only the Legend and the Nox 800 are apples to apples

Please correct me if I am wrong

 

[vlad]

4khz instead of 5khz ? Or added 4khz to the other 5 frequencies ? Either way don’t understand the reasoning.
Why would they change it from 5khz to 4khz or just add an additional frequency at 1khz difference
I can’t imagine make a difference. But to make it identical to the legend frequencies.

There would be a difference in 4kHz if run as a single with all the energy going into it. If a detector's transmit power is put into the multi format and the transmit energy is spread across multiple frequencies, would the effect be greater than it was at 5kHz? I guess only testing would tell. Wonder why they did not drop down to 2.75kHz as that is considered the silver frequency? The lower the frequency the longer the wavelength and the easier it is to penetrate the ground and the better for detecting high conductivity targets like silver. Also more impervious to wet salt and high iron minerals. Jerry Tyndall went to 4kHz on the DMC-4 for bad ground. The tradeoff is its not as good for finding smaller targets or low conductivity targets like gold, And it takes more battery power to fill the Q of the loop. On the higher end Whites & Garrett 24K run at 48kHz as does ML's GOLD MONSTER 1000. A little more energy in the higher frequency and easier to fill the Q of the coil, but how much is the drop off in ability to work bad ground?

 

[vlad]

Have the legend and want to try the Nox lol
Two things made me choose the legend previously as researching showed both were close enough in performance and about identical in features.
One was price as legend was always close to half the price and i needed waterproof. No known issues with legend leaking. Now with the price drop on legend as others who just bought one noted too good to pass up.
Some other secondary things like optional external battery and a good 6” coil really made decision easier
Hopefully another price drop with a Nox will happen now that a new detector is finally out

How do they compare on battery life?

 

[JimmyCT]

ok so what that tells me is both the 600 and 800 have the same modes Park,field and maybe beach both have 5,10,and 15 KHz which both can run a combination of 5,10,and 15 KHz in those 3 modes the 800 has the gold field mode and the 600 does not, so they are similar in the fact thay the 600 and 800 runs the same three frequencies but the 600 can not run the 20 and 40 KHz like the 800

in my mind only the Legend and the Nox 800 are apples to apples

Please correct me if I am wrong

Both the 600 and 800 transmit the same exact range of multi-frequencies in "multi-mode". I know the company "dressed it up" to make it look like the 600 and 800 are going to run (all together) those specific single frequencies listed however they do not. Just know this: Both the 600 and 800 run identical multi-frequencies in their respective mode. (Park, Field, Beach)
As far as single frequencies, you can operate in 4khz, 5khz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz or 40khz with the 800 and 4khz, 5khz, 10khz and 15khz with the 600. I believe where you are becoming confused is thinking 4khz-40khz will be employed in multi-mode with the 800 and 4khz-15khz employed in multi-mode on the 600. This simply not the case. Hopefully my post helps you understand a bit more how the equinox 600 and 800 operate.

 

[DigDog]

My whole point is not that the lower frequencies are not better for going deeper, etc rather if you already have 5khz in your detector, is going down just 1 really going to make a difference? Why not go down a few at least say from 5khz add 2khz. Just trying to understand that logic.
Be like if i put 87 octane in my car and i said well i want better performance so im going to use 88 octane instead and my car will perform better.

 

[oldkoot]

Both the 600 and 800 transmit the same exact range of multi-frequencies in "multi-mode". I know the company "dressed it up" to make it look like the 600 and 800 are going to run (all together) those specific single frequencies listed however they do not. Just know this: Both the 600 and 800 run identical multi-frequencies in their respective mode. (Park, Field, Beach)
As far as single frequencies, you can operate in 4khz, 5khz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz or 40khz with the 800 and 4khz, 5khz, 10khz and 15khz with the 600. I believe where you are becoming confused is thinking 4khz-40khz will be employed in multi-mode with the 800 and 4khz-15khz employed in multi-mode on the 600. This simply not the case. Hopefully my post helps you understand a bit more how the equinox 600 and 800 operate.

ok but my understanding by going to the mine lab site the 600 only operates 3 frequencies this is from the Mine Lab web site so are you saying their own web site is wrong which I find hard to believe

 

[oldkoot]

Both the 600 and 800 transmit the same exact range of multi-frequencies in "multi-mode". I know the company "dressed it up" to make it look like the 600 and 800 are going to run (all together) those specific single frequencies listed however they do not. Just know this: Both the 600 and 800 run identical multi-frequencies in their respective mode. (Park, Field, Beach)
As far as single frequencies, you can operate in 4khz, 5khz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz or 40khz with the 800 and 4khz, 5khz, 10khz and 15khz with the 600. I believe where you are becoming confused is thinking 4khz-40khz will be employed in multi-mode with the 800 and 4khz-15khz employed in multi-mode on the 600. This simply not the case. Hopefully my post helps you understand a bit more how the equinox 600 and 800 operate.

your post has confused me more, I have been to the Mine Lab site and looked at both the 600 and the 800 no where in the specs for the 600 does it state anywhere close to what you are stating, so if what you are stating is indeed facts where can one go to read what you are stating.

 

[DigDog]

Both the 600 and 800 transmit the same exact range of multi-frequencies in "multi-mode". I know the company "dressed it up" to make it look like the 600 and 800 are going to run (all together) those specific single frequencies listed however they do not. Just know this: Both the 600 and 800 run identical multi-frequencies in their respective mode. (Park, Field, Beach)
As far as single frequencies, you can operate in 4khz, 5khz, 10khz, 15khz, 20khz or 40khz with the 800 and 4khz, 5khz, 10khz and 15khz with the 600. I believe where you are becoming confused is thinking 4khz-40khz will be employed in multi-mode with the 800 and 4khz-15khz employed in multi-mode on the 600. This simply not the case. Hopefully my post helps you understand a bit more how the equinox 600 and 800 operate.

Again thats not MY point anyways.
I personally would not switch back and forth between 5 and 4 in single frequency mode and I don’t suspect many others will either. either choose one or the other probably 4. So why have both. I wouldn’t expect 5 to be any better than 4 or can it?

 

[DigDog]

I thought i did read in muti frequency(smf) they both operate the same. Not sure how, maybe they both have a set of shared frequencies in multi.

 

[DigDog]

Only way is they possibly operate in other frequencies than just listed. Not just the 4,5,15,20,40

 

[JimmyCT]

your post has confused me more, I have been to the Mine Lab site and looked at both the 600 and the 800 no where in the specs for the 600 does it state anywhere close to what you are stating, so if what you are stating is indeed facts where can one go to read what you are stating.

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I also believe you are looking at the chart and thinking it employs these frequencies in Multi-freq mode. Both the 600 and 800 do not. This is all about marketing... and I will leave it at that. The 4khz isn't in the chart because this frequency came later on for both machines. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[DigDog]

In other words it operates differently than the legend.

 

[oldkoot]

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I also believe you are looking at the chart and thinking it employs these frequencies in Multi-freq mode. Both the 600 and 800 do not. This is all about marketing... and I will leave it at that. The 4khz isn't in the chart because this frequency came later on for both machines. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

no this is what I am going by from Mine Labs site

EQUINOX 600 Tech Specs​

Detect Modes

Park | Beach | Field

Custom Search Profiles

6 (2 per Detect Mode)

User Profile Button

No

Operating Frequencies (kHz)

Multi, 5, 10, 15

 

[oldkoot]

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I also believe you are looking at the chart and thinking it employs these frequencies in Multi-freq mode. Both the 600 and 800 do not. This is all about marketing... and I will leave it at that. The 4khz isn't in the chart because this frequency came later on for both machines. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

based on what you are saying the Nox 600 also incorporates the 20 and 40 KHz it just does not show those as a available single frequency but when you run in the multi frequency mode the 600 incorporates all five frequencies or 6 since they added the 4 KHz in an update and the 600 does not have the gold mode, do you not think what you are saying sounds just a little odd and that mine lab would have stated what you are saying in the specs of the 600 what I replied to you plainly states the 600 only operates in 3 frequencies now maybe 4, this whole thing with the 600 is vary vary confusing to me because there are users that are saying they are the same speaking of the 600 and 800 and the only difference in the 600 and 800 is the 600 does not have the gold mode, but mine labs own site plainly states otherwise.