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DFX search coil

Dave,:huh:
Your the only guy I have ever heard make such strong statements about the Whites factory 5.3 and 6x10DD coil or any Whites coil for that fact. Everyone else on a whole has had good luck with both coils. A lot of guys love the 5.3 coil to say the least and prefer the 6x10DD on there MXT. I have to go with the percentages of good to bad reviews as well as my own experiences with the coils, which to say the least are different than yours. Sorry you and your machine were not able to get the performance out of the 5.3 and 6x10DD coil. They are nicely sized coils, to bad they did not perform for you.

Take care, and good hunting to you.:beers:
Bill G
 
The 5.3 just had no depth at all.Nothing like the 4x6dd and the 6x 10 was just just a nightmare to use.I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT ONE EITHER BILL.Go back and look on the DFX fourm when that coil came out.It wouldn't work when it was too hot outside.I could NEVER use mine with a preamp higher than 2 and my all metal mode wouldn't just spaz out most of the time.I thought it was just a bad coil,so i sold the first one and bought another one.Sold the second one and tried a few more of my dealers.They all sucked,sorry but that's just the way it was with that coil.
 
Dave,

I've used all of them with good expected results. The 5.3 will detect about 1/2" deeper than the Mini on average ground conditions. More severe ground conditions and the Mini will out perform.

With regards to Discrimination Characteristics. Concentric Configuration relative to size, is about 10% Better over Small Iron (nails). So, if I'm using a Standard 6x10 on say an MXT, I'll set the Discrimination Level at about the 10PM position. With the 950, I can drop it down to the 9PM position and achieve the same discrimination characteristics.
 
I was prospecting up in AK with the MXT and 6x10" DD. Nasty ground (84-88 VDI) and I ran it at maximum gain (w. hypersat).. found a lot of gold, down to 1/3 grain. Also had the stock coil up there and it was pretty much useless. When I got back to B.C. I kept the DD 'cause it got better depth, was better in trash, and handled the ground way better. ..Willy.
 
Dave Z,:huh:
You noted to look on the DFX forum, maybe the problem has to do with the DFX and all of its programing variables. With that being said, I had a DFX about 4 years back for a year or so and did quite a bit of hunting with it. No problems with the 6x10DD in disk mode or all metal. The 6x10DD worked well no matter where I set the pre amp gain and other adjustments specific to the DFX, no problems such as you mentioned. I did not have the 5.3 when I owned the DFX (sold it due to a family hardship and never replaced). Like I said, I have used the 5.3 and 6x10DD on the MXT and M-6 with no problems, again it could be a DFX problem for some.

Take care and best of hunting to you,:)
Bill G
 
I guess it's all in who you talk to. Two of my friends are Whites dealers. I bought our M6 from one of them and got a DFX from the other yesterday. We were talking coils back and forth and one of them said he thought the 6x10 was the best coil for the MXT & M6 but that he hasn't tried the big DD coil. He also liked the 5.3 coil but said he just didn't get the depth out of the mini shooter 4x6. The other dealer said he liked the 4x6 alot more than the 6x10.

As for me...I can't decide between Whites factory and Excellerators.
 
I use the 6x10DD 95% of the time with my DFX and just love it. My only problem is ground balancing which is really not all that much of a problem. I GB at 2 or 3 on the preamp and then hot key back up to 4 to hunt. On VERY trashy areas, I use the 4x6 with great results/less depth, and the 1400 on wide open/low trash areas. I hunt -94 ground and your results may vary. My wife has used the 6x10 on her MXT and was impressed, but she didn't like pinpointing with it. To get max depth here, (Central IL), DD coils seem the norm. I would try all of the coils that you can and use what works best for you.
 
What he said about the 5.3 is exactly what I said about it.Not as much depth as the 4x6.As for the 6x10,first off its a dealers job to sell what he's got in stock.So take that into consideration.I'd ask all the guys on the dfx fourm about their experiences with the 6x10.A lot of guys had trouble with it.Dave
 
Not all dealers are out there to screw you; aka get your money with what they have left in stock.

I've relic hunted with him several times and our friendship is on a call one another regularly to talk basis. If he's not used something he'll tell you and if he likes something he'll tell you, and most importantly, if he doesn't like something, he'll tell you. He's a relic hunter first, and the dealership is not his full time job. He does it on the side. Doesn't even have a store. As a matter of fact, he didn't have the coil he recommended in stock and referred me to another dealer, as he did with the heads up on the DFX. I did buy my M6 from him but he told me something I wasn't aware of with it; about printing off the coupon and getting the carry bag, pinpointer, and headphones for free.

His take: 6x10 better than stock coil. 5.3 great for homesites but not as deep as the 6x10. And the 4x6 just pitiful in depth. He said he has not used the big one so he couldn't say, other than alot of guys had bought them when they were running a good sale on them.

I'm not on a "friends" basis with any of the guys on the forum so I'm more apt to listen to a friend who I've hunted with and hunts what I hunt.
 
Good post Daniel,

Your exactly right, not all dealers are out to get you. Most are great guys that just love the hobby and give you the best advice they can. To bad there have been some bad ones out there, those guys hurt the hobby for everyone.

Take care,:)
Bill G
 
That's great that you know him.He can let you try the coil out before you buy it then,your lucky.Most dealers are fine,but face it,most will want to sell you something they have in their stock rather than send you elsewhere.Do you think Kellyco would tell you "Don't buy our excellerator coils,look for a dealer who has the whites coils,they're better.I seriously doubt that you'll ever here that.If you want to buy a 6x10,go for it.But if it doesn't work once the temp gets over 85 and your all metal goes bersirk half the time.Just don't think somethings wrong with your detector.Dave
 
But isn't that true with most businesses? I have two White's dealers in my area and both fall under DaveZ opinions. Both of them are not active in the hobby and neither of them supports the two clubs here. Not even members. Both though are real happy to take your money for whatever they have on hand or can order for you.

I have also known some dealers who took a sincere interest in their customers. I used to be a White's dealer years ago and I told my customers that for their extra $$, they got training, all of their questions answered and a hunting buddy. Most often, I got the sale.

And what is the best coil? The one that works best for the user! Hunting styles, swing speed, conditions, soil type and mineralization all effect what coil works best for them.
 
As a dealer, I treat my customers the way that I would want to be treated...Owning a service business for over 20 years, my customers would leave me a key with a blank check and tell me to do what I needed to, to take care of their problem...Not once did I and have I,
taken advantage of a situation...Because of that, my business was a success...my detector business, though really a hobby, will be handled the same way.... I refuse to be a victim of "moral bankruptcy.".... I had a customer come in yesterday who wanted to get into detecting, didn't want to spend but $200-300..I showed him a Prizm III, Prizm IV, and a IDX Pro....I showed him how in all reality that the electronic platform of the III was identical to the IV with the exception of a few bells and whistles...then briefly showed him the IDX Pro....We talked for over and hour and when he came back he simply ask me which one would I buy.. I told him truthfully, the IDX Pro...He bought it not because of some sales pitch but mainly because he knew from our limited association, I was not out to get his money but rather being honest with him.I hate to ramble but their still some good ole' boys out here.. Snake at S & P Treasure Finders in a find man to deal with as well... Good evening to all, RichardnTn
 
yeaaaa right Larry most dealers don't belong to any local clubs and they don't Stock the DFX at all....
But they all say We are Here For You If Something Goes Wrong lolll...
Thats their pitch.....
How can I trust these people when they don't stock the detectors....JT
 
(Forgive me White's if you read this)... A lot of the reasons why dealers don't stock machines is that they do not have the cash flow to do it...it doesn't take long to get a lot of money tied up.....When you can only sell to a few hundred potential customers in your territory...you can "sit on detectors" for a long time....The detector business is not lucrative as some would think...In response to Johnny's post... I have 14 White's in stock and a complete line of accessories.....plus Garrett's and Tesoro's and Nautilus coming.....
Sorry, Rambling too much to night, too much coffee...Best to all this weekend....Richardntn
 
When you say "most dealers" how many do you know of personally and can account for as being lumped into that catagory? Whites has quite a few dealers out there. Not everybody is out there to get just your money.

Regarding the DFX stocking. Consider this. In this area and in North Georgia, the DFX is not the most popular of Whites detectors. If anything it is the XLT and MXT. So my take on it is it is area dependant. Why have one model sitting in the shop or house taking up space that nobody has an interest in? But the good thing is...they can be got if the demand is there. The dealer can call his distributor and have the detector shipped directly to the customers door. If the person doesn't have the patience for that, then they wont last long with the DFX anyway :)
 
I have gotten great depth with my 4x6 shooter.
Many coins at 4 and 5 inches.This token was 7 inches
and the wheat backs were 4 inches.
 
Sorry your right most are good My mistake....
In my area 1 out of maybe 7 has a DFX and most are not Detector only stores,but sporting goods and detectors are a veryyy smail part.
So I feel by going into those stores most of them don't know about detectors,but they all say that if something goes wrong they are local.Even if they are local what can they do if something goes wrong?
I don't mind giving business to someone that only sells detectors instead of someone that calls Whites WHITEIES.....Makes yea think a bit before buying one from them?...JT
 
I can't believe the depth of that little coil.I was in a park last summer fooling around with it.I dug a lot of screwcaps up at the 7-8" depth.Pound for pound,it has to be Whites best coil.Dave
 
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