Deus ll question ?

[markinswpa]

I have never used a Deus. And when it comes to the techy side of metal detectors I admit I am not all that knowledgeable.. What I do know is I want a machine that can see in, around and through the iron, trash and difficult soil. And my Pa. soil is no picnic. My first question is for Th Deus 1 users
1 How accurate is the depth meter ? The machine I have been using for the last 3 1/2 years, an Equinox 800 the depth meter is not very accurate and I go by tone as to how wide and deep I cut my initial plug. But if the new Deus ll is capable of the depths I'm seeing in some of these videos an accurate depth meter could be a real plus. Which leads to my next question for the Deus ll testers.

Tones ? Reading the manual I read where they said that (please correct if I'm saying or understanding this wrong ) That in square tones the volume is modulated but does not have amplitude of the signal. Am I saying this correct ? In other words the volume in PWM can help with the sizing and depth while not available in square tone. So I guess I'm asking how important is this feature ? How much of a disadvantage would I have using the square tones ? With the 800 I judge the depth with softness of tone and size by how small the target breaks. I purposely stayed away from the Deus 1 because of the "strangled chicken " tones. So to me square tones are a deal maker. Also can the square tones be applied to all modes or are they limited to one or two modes.

One more question, Are you able to do a mode or factory reset ? Did not see anything on that in the manual. I like being able to take a Mulligan when I booger things up. After the ease and simplicity of the layout on the 800, all the settings, menus and sub-menus seem a little daunting. I understand with all machines there will be a learning curve but the more user friendly a machine is it helps with that curve. Thanks in advance (and please, layman terms ) for any help. Mark

 

[HuntinDog]

I can only answer your last question and don't want to stick my neck out on the others until I have more info too.

The Deus I & II both reset factory programs to factory when you turn off the machine.
If you want an adjusted program to be saved you need to save it in a personal user save slots. (8 Deus I & 12 Deus II)

 

[markinswpa]

I can only answer your last question and don't want to stick my neck out on the others until I have more info too.

The Deus I & II both reset factory programs to factory when you turn off the machine.
If you want an adjusted program to be saved you need to save it in a personal user save slots. (8 Deus I & 12 Deus II)

Thank you HuntinDog. Makes sense, I can see some advantages to that and maybe a few disadvantages as well. Thanks again Mark

 

[Monte]

Markinswpa, I can only comment generally but not specially because I haven't owned a Deus, and I canceled an order for a Deus II.

I borrowed a friend's Deus for about 10 minutes on a ghost town hunt, but his program used "Full-Tones" and that about drove me up a wall. I tried another friend's Deus for less than 5 minutes, but he also used that audio tone response so it wasn't a pleasure for me.

No detector will "see in" or "see through" a solid piece of iron, however, some detectors do a better job of 'handling' ferrous debris and can do a good job of responding to coin-size non-ferrous targets closer to some unwanted iron debris than other detectors.

Usually the key ingredients in such cases is:

* Using a decent-performing detector based on circuitry design.

* Using the smallist-size search coil available.

* Keeping the Discrimination set as low as tolerable.

* Using a slow and methodical sweep and presenting a search coil around and as close to the iron debris as possible to maybe get a hint of a good hit from a partially-masked keeper.

I have watched many, many Deus and Deus II videos this past month, as well as some for the ORX as well as models using Garrett, Minelab and Nokta / Makro hunting similar fields and pasture land .... and getting very similar results.

I have several makes and models that work well for me in very iron contaminated places, as does my XP ORX. I canceled my Deus II order, for now, because I like the XP ORX's 3-Tone audio, simplicity, and Deus-like depth of detection.

No doubt XP has a decent new design in the Deus II, but not everyone needs everything it has to offer. What types of site conditions are you usually hunting? What detector and coil do you usually use to confront those challenges?

Monte

 

[woodbutcher]

Mark, I can answer some of your questions,were only an hour apart,so our soil is the same.
The deus is deep and it is fast. But modern trash is it's downfall. I have many hours on the deus, fields,parks and yards . Fields it's great, yards that are free of alot of modern trash it's ok. I've had to walk away from some yards that got new roofs tho, little pieces of that aluminum flashing everywhere and the deus is a high gain unit,it calls anything non ferrous good ..
Parks I've learned to deal with it, but pulltabs at 5 inches or more hightone , and the more modern trash you get at a park the worse it is...
Deus is a great iron machine, probably the best ever made imo,at least the best I've ever used..And that sucker is deep, even the 9 inch coil is is deeper than most 11 round coils on other machines.
But the deus is a true relic machine first, and although you could put lots of hours in it and get somewhat ok you'll still dig alot of modern trash in parks .Nothing wrong with the machine,but it's DNA isn't geared towards parks imo .. Good machine where you can use it,,but it'll give you a headache where you cant

 

[calabash digger]

Ok I both give info on depth and size of target...I cannot say square is better but I like it. I used pwn for two days of beach hunting... Both provide info according to the manual PWN gives more. I need more time with square...I like square...
Modern trash problem is solved with the Deus II.....Best machine ever made for iron was the Deus I ...Best all around machine was Equinox 800....Deus II is going to prove to be the best all around detector ever made very shortly.

 

[woodbutcher]

Ok I both give info on depth and size of target...I cannot say square is better but I like it. I used pwn for two days of beach hunting... Both provide info according to the manual PWN gives more. I need more time with square...I like square...
Modern trash problem is solved with the Deus II.....Best machine ever made for iron was the Deus I ...Best all around machine was Equinox 800....Deus II is going to prove to be the best all around detector ever made very shortly.

I have a question,is that deus you have in your possession the finished product? I mean sure I know other versions and things can be downloaded,,but I'm curious if what your using is what's coming to the states, and already on the streets of European countries?
I’ve moved away from hunting parks and yards,I much prefer old fields planted or not. Older finds are more common for me in those scenarios vs parks and yards... I hope the Deus 2 is a killer for those who hunt the beaches,and parks,, for fields tho I think I’m gonna stick to my old Deus.

 

[calabash digger]

Yes it is what's coming...Loaded with version 5 soon to be 6.. I started with a beta version software...

 

[IDXMonster]

That’s a great thread Mark, good replies and great reply from Wood. Here’s my take. IF the D2 can be PROVEN to be substantially more productive than the Equinox or FBS/2 in a “park situation”, there’s going to be a mass exodus from Minelab to XP for those who choose to spend that kind of money. I’m not taking a big breath and holding it quite yet though. Minelab has been the absolute top dog in that department….so the D2 has a very steep hill to climb to PROVE that it can OUTPERFORM Minelab in these scenarios. And…do it quite handily in order to lure people to a machine that might be unfamiliar, pretty pricey and let’s face it….more complex than most. If the D2 proves to be ”revolutionary”….I’m all in.

 

[markinswpa]

Markinswpa, I can only comment generally but not specially because I haven't owned a Deus, and I canceled an order for a Deus II.

I borrowed a friend's Deus for about 10 minutes on a ghost town hunt, but his program used "Full-Tones" and that about drove me up a wall. I tried another friend's Deus for less than 5 minutes, but he also used that audio tone response so it wasn't a pleasure for me.

No detector will "see in" or "see through" a solid piece of iron, however, some detectors do a better job of 'handling' ferrous debris and can do a good job of responding to coin-size non-ferrous targets closer to some unwanted iron debris than other detectors.

Usually the key ingredients in such cases is:

* Using a decent-performing detector based on circuitry design.

* Using the smallist-size search coil available.

* Keeping the Discrimination set as low as tolerable.

* Using a slow and methodical sweep and presenting a search coil around and as close to the iron debris as possible to maybe get a hint of a good hit from a partially-masked keeper.

I have watched many, many Deus and Deus II videos this past month, as well as some for the ORX as well as models using Garrett, Minelab and Nokta / Makro hunting similar fields and pasture land .... and getting very similar results.

I have several makes and models that work well for me in very iron contaminated places, as does my XP ORX. I canceled my Deus II order, for now, because I like the XP ORX's 3-Tone audio, simplicity, and Deus-like depth of detection.

No doubt XP has a decent new design in the Deus II, but not everyone needs everything it has to offer. What types of site conditions are you usually hunting? What detector and coil do you usually use to confront those challenges?

Monte

Monte, thanks for the response and your input. To answer some of your questions I currently use two 800s. One with the stock coil and one with the six inch. I have the 10x 5 but found I prefer the 6 in. a little more. The program I use most of the time is Field 2 5 tone Rec. 4 Ib 0 and I run horseshoe engaged all the time. I keep the volume low on the iron so its more of a background noise that lets me hear the ground. On a change up I switch to Park 1 rec. 6 ib 0. I mainly hunt parks and yards, schools and churchs. No water hunting and no ghost towns. Maybe an occasional field now and then. When I'm done going over a permission with the stock coil I usually go back over it with the six inch and hit from as many directions as possible. This has paid off numerous times for me as a good target that can only be seen from one direction shows up under my coil with a nice high tone. Pittsburgh, where I'm from is known for its 3 rivers. And all up and down those rivers were steel mills cranking out steel 24hrs a day for a 150 or more years and the fall out from all those mills lay in our soil. Tough ground to say the least. One of Gary Blackwells videos showed a test of the Deus ll in polluted soil. Hence my interest and questions. 8 maybe 9 inches is a deep coin around here. There is an the occasional 10 in. and maybe a 12 or 13 in old soft black dirt but by and large the 8 in. is a deep coin for us up here. I would love to see a machine that can go deeper in our soil. So far I'm liking what I see on the Deus ll. Thanks, Mark

 

[markinswpa]

Mark, I can answer some of your questions,were only an hour apart,so our soil is the same.
The deus is deep and it is fast. But modern trash is it's downfall. I have many hours on the deus, fields,parks and yards . Fields it's great, yards that are free of alot of modern trash it's ok. I've had to walk away from some yards that got new roofs tho, little pieces of that aluminum flashing everywhere and the deus is a high gain unit,it calls anything non ferrous good ..
Parks I've learned to deal with it, but pulltabs at 5 inches or more hightone , and the more modern trash you get at a park the worse it is...
Deus is a great iron machine, probably the best ever made imo,at least the best I've ever used..And that sucker is deep, even the 9 inch coil is is deeper than most 11 round coils on other machines.
But the deus is a true relic machine first, and although you could put lots of hours in it and get somewhat ok you'll still dig alot of modern trash in parks .Nothing wrong with the machine,but it's DNA isn't geared towards parks imo .. Good machine where you can use it,,but it'll give you a headache where you cant

Woody thanks, you know how much I like my 800s and I think I do pretty good with them. But most machines are stunted when it comes to depth around here. If this new Deus can punch through our ground, well those parks up there you say are hunted out will start producing silver again. I have been shopping prices but have not pulled the trigger yet. Take care pal and stay warm. Mark

 

[markinswpa]

Ok I both give info on depth and size of target...I cannot say square is better but I like it. I used pwn for two days of beach hunting... Both provide info according to the manual PWN gives more. I need more time with square...I like square...
Modern trash problem is solved with the Deus II.....Best machine ever made for iron was the Deus I ...Best all around machine was Equinox 800....Deus II is going to prove to be the best all around detector ever made very shortly.

Calabash thanks for the response. I agree, square tones much better. And more to come they said. No doubt you will be proven correct on the Deus ll being the new top dog. Already seen in part by you on relics, beach, and diving and hopefully soon some good gritty urban hunting. Good hunting , Mark

 

[markinswpa]

That’s a great thread Mark, good replies and great reply from Wood. Here’s my take. IF the D2 can be PROVEN to be substantially more productive than the Equinox or FBS/2 in a “park situation”, there’s going to be a mass exodus from Minelab to XP for those who choose to spend that kind of money. I’m not taking a big breath and holding it quite yet though. Minelab has been the absolute top dog in that department….so the D2 has a very steep hill to climb to PROVE that it can OUTPERFORM Minelab in these scenarios. And…do it quite handily in order to lure people to a machine that might be unfamiliar, pretty pricey and let’s face it….more complex than most. If the D2 proves to be ”revolutionary”….I’m all in.

Kevin, good evening. I have to agree with you and my thoughts are its the real deal. Its not an Equinox wanna be like some might try to be and fall maybe a little short. It gone way beyond that. I'm not crazy about having to learn a new machine or the price for that matter but in this case it might be worth it. If you read any of my responses you know about our dirt. But watching your videos and the depth you get, if you get a Deus ll you're gonna need a longer handle on your shovel. ha ha. Hope you get an early thaw. Mark

 

[Tony-Ok]

Your number 1 question never got answered. I don’t think the D2,D1, or ORX has a depth gauge at all ??? I could be wrong, but I see NO depth meter . I think you can use the audio strength for depth estimation. you think it would be on the fly. Any XP experts may clarify this . Thanks Tony

 

[IDXMonster]

Kevin, good evening. I have to agree with you and my thoughts are its the real deal. Its not an Equinox wanna be like some might try to be and fall maybe a little short. It gone way beyond that. I'm not crazy about having to learn a new machine or the price for that matter but in this case it might be worth it. If you read any of my responses you know about our dirt. But watching your videos and the depth you get, if you get a Deus ll you're gonna need a longer handle on your shovel. ha ha. Hope you get an early thaw. Mark

Hi there Mark! I 100% concur, this is looking like a very different animal. A co-worker of mine has a D1, and I know for a fact that it is DEEP! But it suffers with ID and doesn’t make a great park hunting machine, IMHO. He does kinda OK but doesn’t get out much and digs ALOT of junk that he CANNOT determine beforehand. This FMF has me very hopeful that the guys who do what you and I do are going to see a totally new tool. I also agree that while the “other new machine” has a much lower price point, that’s not gonna get it done. I wouldn’t expect it to. I’m not in a hurry to throw 1,600$ at a “maybe it’ll work” machine, I really want to see real world live digs in places people have HAMMERED forever. If it produces there, even modestly, it’ll be a really good sign! You know I love my CTX more than should be allowed, but I’m always willing to listen and watch! And if I need a longer shovel I’m gonna have to have Diggers Hotline on speed dial! Be well and stay warm!

 

[IDXMonster]

Your number 1 question never got answered. I don’t think the D2,D1, or ORX has a depth gauge at all ??? I could be wrong, but I see NO depth meter . I think you can use the audio strength for depth estimation. you think it would be on the fly. Any XP experts may clarify this . Thanks Tony

They do Tony, it’s on the “horse shoe” screen.

 

[Tony-Ok]

They do Tony, it’s on the “horse shoe” screen.

Thank You IDXMonster , the D2 is very enticing!! And will probably be my next purchase.

 

[calabash digger]

Horseshoe drops off further target is away from the coil. Audio is key here too ....Lot of info in the Deus II audio...

 

[calabash digger]

Markinswpa, I can only comment generally but not specially because I haven't owned a Deus, and I canceled an order for a Deus II.

I borrowed a friend's Deus for about 10 minutes on a ghost town hunt, but his program used "Full-Tones" and that about drove me up a wall. I tried another friend's Deus for less than 5 minutes, but he also used that audio tone response so it wasn't a pleasure for me.

No detector will "see in" or "see through" a solid piece of iron, however, some detectors do a better job of 'handling' ferrous debris and can do a good job of responding to coin-size non-ferrous targets closer to some unwanted iron debris than other detectors.

Usually the key ingredients in such cases is:

* Using a decent-performing detector based on circuitry design.

* Using the smallist-size search coil available.

* Keeping the Discrimination set as low as tolerable.

* Using a slow and methodical sweep and presenting a search coil around and as close to the iron debris as possible to maybe get a hint of a good hit from a partially-masked keeper.

I have watched many, many Deus and Deus II videos this past month, as well as some for the ORX as well as models using Garrett, Minelab and Nokta / Makro hunting similar fields and pasture land .... and getting very similar results.

I have several makes and models that work well for me in very iron contaminated places, as does my XP ORX. I canceled my Deus II order, for now, because I like the XP ORX's 3-Tone audio, simplicity, and Deus-like depth of detection.

No doubt XP has a decent new design in the Deus II, but not everyone needs everything it has to offer. What types of site conditions are you usually hunting? What detector and coil do you usually use to confront those challenges?

Monte

I don't understand you...You want to talk shop but you don't want to use the tools that most people are using in the shop...
I understand people don't know what they don't know.....
You said ....No doubt XP has a decent new design in the Deus II, but not everyone needs everything it has to offer. ..........First off this is the most superior performing detector ever made and yes I said that after only 65 hours in the field use.....It is that good

Why are you posting in the Deus forum ? You have no experience with one and you have no desire to buy one?
You should be over on the forums of the detectors you on and use telling those folks have good they are.....
You just passed on the most superior detector ever made to swing a Ace in a iron loaded ghost town which is almost comical.

A. Deus II with a 11 inch coil with unmask better than those detectors you are using with a 6 inch coil.....
B.You watched a few videos and pulled from that all detectors are performing about the same on fields and in the iron....
C. You would be better over on Friendly with all the whiners and naysayers than over here in the DEUS FORUM.....
D. Deus II is for those who want the BEST performing detector made....

 

[Monte]

I don't understand you...You want to talk shop but you don't want to use the tools that most people are using in the shop...
I understand people don't know what they don't know.....
You said ....No doubt XP has a decent new design in the Deus II, but not everyone needs everything it has to offer. ...

No, I guess you don't. Anyone can "talk shop" and not use the same tool as everyone else in the shop. And I am not alone because there are a lot of folks wandering around the shop who are not using a Deus II, like you, and many who might not have an original Deus, either.

You are correct in that "people don't know what they don't know" and that applies to anyone who hasn't put in the amount of time with the 'tools' I currently have, or have wandered around the 'shop' where I typically detected for decades. I know what siste challenges I face, and I know which detectors (plural) have proven their abilities in those tough sites. One of those is the Deus, but it doesn't stand alone or supreme. I have good friends who have been using the Deus since it came out, and they are very successful in a loot of very tough, ferrous-challenged sites, but they are not using your relic program. They are using what they found to work for them where they like to hunt. Therefore, they have a similar 'tool' but use it differently and it works different from your relic program ... but it works for them and that's what is important. I use different tools so I am just as 'different' as they are with their Deus units using their chosen settings.

That's correct, I didn't badmouth or downplay ZP, I stated no doubt they have a decent new design. But it is also true that it isn't going to be a good 'fit' for everyone and some folks will not need everything it has to offer.

......First off this is the most superior performing detector ever made and yes I said that after only 65 hours in the field use.....It is that good

And that, Calabash, is YOUR opinion, and it sounds all encompassing for any-and-all applications. You ought to state YOUR opinions of how a particular product satisfies YOU and not tell everyone else out there in detector land what is or isn't 'superior' which is basically telling everyone else that whatever they are using, it isn't the best. It's inferior. It's not a good 'tool'.

Why are you posting in the Deus forum ? You have no experience with one and you have no desire to buy one?

The start of this 'Forum' is and anyone can post on any Forum. I am here because I own and use an XP ORX which I enjoy, and it does provide me with some very good performance for certain applications.

No, I have stated I have only minutes with a Deus that drove me nuts due to the 'Full Tones' audio. Partly because i don't like most full-range audio units, and partly due to my hearing impairment. But I do like a 3-Tone audio and the ORX appealed to me. As for the Deus II, I only mentioned that I cancelled my order. Many have because they don't like the wait or can't afford it or ??? I cancelled my Deus II order because I don't need one right away, and that's because until I finish rehabilitation and get back to being able to get around with my cane (which I have for 29 years as of this March), my allowable hunt-time is not going to work using a walker. I have stated, in some posts, that I'll likely get a Deus II later this year, if I like what I see after handing one, and I have a few friends who will have one I can borrow to check out.

You should be over on the forums of the detectors you on and use telling those folks have good they are.....

Why, that's what you are doing here, telling folks how good the Deus II is because you own and use it. I'm not bashing with that statement because it is true, but you should just clarify that it is very good for you and where you hunt and what you want. Please don't make it sound like me and anyone else using something different are not using a 'superior' detector. And I do go to those Forums, and have several of them on my website, and I try to contribute what i can in a discussion. I try to be helpful and not tell them what they need to use. That's their choice.

You just passed on the most superior detector ever made ....

There you go again. Not expressing it as your opinion for your wants and needs, but telling me, and others, that the Deus II is "the most superior detector ever made" and that, depending upon what an individual wants or needs, might not be correct. Also, I simply cancelled my Deus II order, now, for MY reasons, and that should call you out to bash me for making my decisions. It's not out here, yet, and when it is I will check one out. I have stated before that I like several things about the Deus II and will likely get one, down the road, then i can get out and use it.

... to swing a Ace in a iron loaded ghost town which is almost comical.

The Garrett Apex is an Apex, not an Ace. And I invite you to come experience a Welcome-to-Hunt Outing in one of several ghost towns 'out west' that we hunt where you will truly be confronted with some very challenging ferrous debris. Dense Iron nails, other ferrous discards and tin. From full cans to horrendous amounts of shards of rusty tin. There are areas where the Apex w/small coil works well, and out-performs the EQ-800 and many other detectors in some of the worst Iron Nail environments. 'Depth', by the way, is not one of the necessary functions for a good detector in the nasty trash conditions. Besides, most desirable targets are not deep, anyway.

A. Deus II with a 11 inch coil with unmask better than those detectors you are using with a 6 inch coil.....

Again, you've simply made your bold and biased statement, and I am certain many readers won't post even though they know that to be incorrect. You can say the 11" DD on a Deus II can separate pretty well, but I don't think it is wise to tell anyone / everyone that is will separate better than the detectors and coils they use. Just like the folks who want to see the Deus II perform in actual in-the-field conditions for Park Hunting and such, the Deus II w/11' DD can prove its abilities when used size-by-size in a test against another device. Besides, I know my detector choices well and have put in a lot more than 65 hours on them ... and i don't hesitate to point out their weaknesses, either. No perfect detector exists.

B.You watched a few videos and pulled from that all detectors are performing about the same on fields and in the iron.

Read what is written.. I have watched a LOT of videos, most of a month+ in the hospital and 3+ weeks back at home. Not only your videos but many others. And I didn't say a few, but I have watched a LOT of videos, from many places, using a lot of detectors, and I said many were performing about the same. Seeing is believing, and I watched and compared a lot of results from natural, in-the-field encounters.

C. You would be better over on Friendly with all the whiners and naysayers than over here in the DEUS FORUM.....

There are "whiners and naysayers" on all forums. Have you been over to Friendly lately? I do get to several Forums other than mine, and until they get an XP ORX Forum, those of us who use an XP product will just have to post under this one. The ORX happens to be a very good detector, and I'll keep it around until I make the move to get a Deus II.

D. Deus II is for those who want the BEST performing detector made....

There you go again. Putting down any other make or model that might appeal to others. I have friends who use an original Deus, and most kind of like what it offers. But several of them also have an Equinox 800 or a Nokta / Makro device in their outfit that they favor over the Deus for certain tasks. Nothing is 'perfect' and therefore you are not using the 'BEST' detector made. It's just a very good detector that you happen to like for your own wants and needs for the hunting you do and the sites you select.

Monte
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Interested in a Deus I or any detector once I get it in MY hands at MY choice of sites with a coil I like.