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Deus getting scared?

Maybe your deus is out of sync or you don't have the right GB or too much or not enough programing or your dirt is the worst on the planet. Something is wrong if in England they are using this machine and loving it with their ground and history ...
 
Southwind said:
I could take a used $150 Classic ID with a Bullseye coil on it.....and in a iron infested ghost town literally run circles around it.
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*cough BS *cough
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Lol, my thoughts exactly Southwind. The classic id is a great detector, and there is something to be said about knowing your machine. I wouldn't mind having another one for the kids or a loaner as it does fairly well in trash and they are extremely affordable. I've owned both and honestly, even with a shooter coil against the Deus 9", no comparison, Deus wins. It's not even a fair match considering the age/technology gap, why am I even writing this?!...Lol. The Deus isn't for everyone, perhaps the Notka will help fill the gap there. Personally, I'm hoping for continued superior target separation with added depth capabilities.

Onward as we are on Notka's page! I'll be looking forward to the racer reviews and info. Mostly as this company seems to be on the right track, keeping customers informed (directly) and providing a quality product at reasonable prices. I bit the bullet and bought the Deus, but still paid less than what their (current) prices are when I purchased it last fall. I would like to try a Racer, or Core unit this upcoming season. Notka's pricing will make it feasible without causing the wife to relocate me to the dog house....Lol.
 
Only been around for the last year as far as I know. I think the FORS is a bit more of a niche unit due to the physical design. The performance is all I need but I would prefer a more mainstream package and the Racer looks to be right up my alley. At the end of the day though it will just be another VLF metal detector. It will find some good stuff and lie about some stuff. Nothing really changes all that much.
 
The new racer might compare very well to the Fors Core. It might list for 600.00 or close to it. But you better figure another 125.00 for the small coil. I just sold my Fors on this forum. A very very good detector in the iron and trash. But that is with the small coil which is just fantastic. With the larger stock coil I felt that the Fors was a good detector. If XP would release a smaller coil than the 9 inch I think the Deus would do very well against it. This new Racer detector is coming from a very aggressive manufacturer. That is the best thing about it. They will promote competition. Remember that no detector does it all. The Racer probably will be a fine detector, but it won't be a magic wand. And nothing beats location.
 
the deus is also popular with the nightshift guys in the UK as its easy to setup in the dark and use in the dark with no dangling wires everywhere .very compact and deploys easy..
but rallies are very busy with deus machines .
brits love its minimalist features
not that i condone nighthawks.... just saying ....
 
Southwind said:
I could take a used $150 Classic ID with a Bullseye coil on it.....and in a iron infested ghost town literally run circles around it.
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*cough BS *cough

I can take a Pinto and run circles around a Ferrari. See I can say anything I want also as long as I don't have to prove it.
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Dude I agree with you and I think I just spit coffee from my mouth reading your reply!
 
The Deus gets flak in my short time of ownership. It is a machine to learn for sure and get good with. I like the idea of companies like Nokta/Makro trying to change the game a bit. I wanted a new pointer and the Makro go the nod..................have to say, it is unbelievable.

So hopefully at the end of the day the Racer will also be a great little machine for the folks in this hobby. The pie can be shared for sure, otherwise, we have a monopoly on our hands.
 
The Deus would offer more performance if it offered a coil smaller then 9" I specifically stated that I would take a Classic ID with a 5.3 coil and in a iron infested ghost town I can indeed out do the Deus. The Deus is a great machine....its just not great at everything. That is why I have several machines in my arsenal. Not one machine is perfect. But ya I stick to my words. And if ya want fly out and i will haul ya out to several iron infested ghost towns. And we will play, and i'll take a Classic ID only with a Blue max 600 coil ( 6.5" coil) lets see what happens. The Deus is not an all around machine in iron infested sites.

I did the NBT with a Deus, the best that could be achieved was 5 of 8 possible hits. The Classic ID will do 8 of 8 every time. So please don't sit here and tell me because you spent $1000 + on a machine, that because it is a $1000+ dollar machine that by default it is better .....period. Its not. It has it's strengths as well as it's weakness.
 
Lets get a small coil on the deus and see if it will become the king of the hill...If it can be done and worked into the maytix then it could do wonders in iron we all feel the same but not sure if the deus is designed to work with a coil that small..
 
I specifically stated that I would take a Classic ID with a 5.3 coil and in a iron infested ghost town I can indeed out do the Deus.
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I am aware of what you stated and I still call BS. I've run a 5.3 on my DFX, which I believe is a better machine than the Classic ID, and the performance is not even in the same block as the Deus with a 9".
 
Well if you know me or read any of my post, you probably gather that I mainly hunt ghost towns, old homestead sites, old stage stops etc. Its very rare i hunt a park. Over here on the Oregon/Idaho border in my little town we have a park. Its 17 miles to get to the next park. As I stated I like Ghost towns etc and most the time they are littered with iron junk. For me I try and find machines that will work in that environment the best. I am not concerned with depth. In these old eastern Oregon and Idaho ghost towns, most coins/trade tokens seldom get beyond 4" deep. What I need is a machine(s) that can handle the dense iron.

What I found that works for me......and I am saying "that works for me" is a MXT Pro, M6 and several Classic models. There are times that in really dense iron, I will set the MXT Pro aside and grab my Classic ID that has a 350 snooper coil mounted on it all the time. And yes that little machine in dense iron with that small coil is amazing. It has found me some very nice old coins and trade tokens these last few years.

What helps me determine if a machine will be good in a ghost town environment ( dense iron etc) is the Nail Board Test. Preferably I like to see a machine at the very least get 6 of 8 hits. Ideally 7 to 8 of 8 hits. The MXT Pro and M6 fall in the 7 of 8 hits category. The Whites Classic machines ( the Classic III , ID , Classic IDX and IDX Pro) and several Tesoro models will peg the NBT 8 of 8.

That is why you don't see the Deus or supposed other "superior" machines in my signature list. For that specific environment, one that I hunt 90+ % of the time, there are better choices.

Unlike you, I don't place the price tag of a machine as its most important feature. For me its simple. I know the area I hunt 90% of the time and I know what I am looking for. The machine either passes the NBT or it doesn't. If it does then that is the machine that gets my interest, regardless of price tag. Same goes for the new Racer coming out. I will buy one. It will get the NBT treatment. If it passes then I will keep it and use it. If not it goes to Ebay.

For those times I hit a park or more open areas, then I'll drag out my XLT or use the MXT Pro , not the Classic ID.
 
Ah Gregg I hadn't caught that. I don't hunt ghost towns and mainly hunt old parks and schools which have very deep targets. For example our city park has coins as deep as 24". Of course they don't make a detector, yet, that can get to those, but my common finds for any keepers is at a minimum of 6" and most in the 8-10" range. This park is littered with 130 years of junk including a lot of rusted iron.

Now as far as placing a price on a detector I have generally found in 99% of the cases you get what you pay for. I don't think it is very realistic to expect or even think a $200 detector is going to perform as well as a $2000 machine. Yes, under the right conditions, where features are not that important, then it can happen but in the vast majority I have ever tested more $$$ = More Depth in general. Not always, but most of the time. I do know some people don't care for added features or think they can add more depth, but I'm a firm believer from experience. When conditions get tough it is those added features that can make the difference IF, <- big IF, they are used properly. One of the few exceptions I have found is the AT Pro. I get extremely good depth for the money. Especially on gold.
 
Some of these guys can take a machine and do things the best can't do. It maybe the tone but I have seen guys dig things I didn't even hear with my machine..
 
I agree with you Southwind about machines. But at the end of the day, there still isn't a perfect detector made yet.......if so we would all be swinging the same machine. I just try to find whats works best for me and the areas I like to hunt. And its fun to try new machines, see what their strength and weakness are. If I was in your situation hunting parks with known deep coins/targets then I imagine that my arsenal under my signature would look a bit different.
 
All parks have deep coins. Just get a PI and dig all. Or at the very least take the trusty nautilus there for a look see.
 
The search for the holy grail, the one detector to rule them all. Lord of the detectors LOL. Been looking for it for many years as you can tell by my sig. You're 100% right that there is no one detector for all needs or for everyone, yet!

If I could just cross the E-Trac with the Deus I think I'd be pretty satisfied with the results for the hunting I do.

I don't do the dig it all scene any more. Too old and too little time to be spent recovering every thing that beeps. Quality over quantity drives me at this stage.
 
I have a hunch for the $$$$ this Nokta FORS CoRe pro pack may be the closet thing to the Lord of the detectors right now. This small coil is a barn burner. Have already seen it go up against F75, F75se. F75se-2 with small coils. Would like to see it go up against White's V series with shooter coil and all potential "correct" settings for unmasking. I honestly don't think it will be close with nokta dominating. This FORS unit needs to be taken seriously. It seems to work well in iron and with crown caps. Not many adjustments on this CORS unit, yet it produces it seems.
 
The FORS may be the answer but I'm going to have to see some results first. I have 2 main needs when it comes to a detector. 1. VDI/Tone accuracy at depth. 2. Great sensitivity to small and odd shaped gold. I have yet to find a detector with the tones that talk like the E-Trac, although the VDI is more accurate on the CTX, and I've found only one detector as sensitive to small odd shaped gold as the AT Pro. The Deus.
 
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