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CZ20 / DFX / SE New

About a month ago I was searching a 1928 school yard that I've never found anything but clad in.I got an iffy but repeatable signal.I dug down 12" and stuck in the x1 probe. got a clean signal.
I then dug an inch or so more and out came a 1924 wheat. I have an Exp2 and it took me 2 years to finally tune in to the deep signals and I must say this machine is worth spending the time to learn.
 
I have used the CZ3D and the MXT. But no where near the extent that others have. I don't beach hunt.
I always come full circle to the Explorer line.
 
I too have had one or 2 coins from 7 0r 8 inches with the dfx. My DEEPEST WITH AN EXPLORER SE , about 10 inches deep and on bad ground. the explorers may go an inch or 2 deeper than a dfx (my guess). oN SMALL coins and musket balls on farmland sites i have to say honestly that the dfx seems to find more. I have tested both dfx and explorer se on farmland sites and the dfx honestly has found more targets . Near power lines the dfx wont work at all neither will it work close to mobile phone masts. The explorers seem to work fine near these transmitters.The dfx with small coil on works a treat for sniffing musket balls out -S uperb. Wanna program your detector for hunting learned coins out from parks then the explorers really shiine here!. i NEVER had any luck on the beach with my old explorer 2 or se , i am not sure why (maybe nothing was down there.)
 
Nothing was down there. I use my XS at the beach all the time.....and do very good......but you got to have targets below your coil....I have walked the beach before and had not much....conclusion is.TOO much sand.sanded in....so if you don't do beaches all the time then you will not know the patterns of the sand in/sand out......I could go on and on but it takes time to figure the beaches out....so if you want to find things at the beach you gotta put your time in...but the explorers are very good at the beach.
 
I'll bet the Explorer can beat the DFX on depth in any kind of ground. It does have a learning curve but if you've got your DFX down pat I know you can do the same with the Explorer but not in a week or two. There is the possibility that there is something wrong with your Explorer too. The only other suggestions I'd have on set up is to max the gain, set the recovery to DEEP only (I'm guessing the SE still has this just like the XS), run the noise cancel, use the 10.5 inch Minelab coil and go S L O W!
 
Ive been reading the posts and agree the Explorer is deeper. However, on the beach ive picked up flakes of copper 4 or 5" and tiny childs toe rings at 14.... so I KNOW the DFX is deep on the beach. I hunted with a guy who had an explorer on the beach with me. His SMALL finds werent even close to mine. Not to mention, i covered a LOT more beach. The most impressive feature for me was the noise depression on the Explorer. FBS is just able to eliminate those noise peaks better. Next would be the display numbers.
 
My find was 12" plus and and in an area with no trash and with a Sunray 12" coil ,the only one that I use, and a new sense for deep targets. I have also found a few deep wheats 8 to 10 " in areas with many hot rocks. The rocks though have a very distinct signal.
 
I'll chime in re. depth....

I've only had the SE since Feb, and since I live in Minnesota, that means it didn't get used until Mid April due to cold weather.

When I invest in what I think will be a good detector, I usually get a nice compliment of different size coils to go with the stock coils. Recent posts here prompted me to switch to the 1050 coil (the one that came stock with the Exp II or the Quattro. I agree that it is more stable with no loss of depth. I also have the Excellerator 12" coil and their 4.5 x 7, as well as the Minelab stock 8" coil.

My faith in the machine (the SE) was reinforced when I found a 1917 Merc at a depth of at least 12 in. Signal was not loud, but it wasn't all that subtle either. I was pretty much amazed. I took care that the coin wasn't a "drop down" too. That dime came out of the last trowel full of packed soil at the bottom of the hole. My pinpointer also confirmed that the coin didn't drop down from a shallower depth. I was using the 12" coil on this occasion, and soil was not very mineralized, damp and good, black dirt. It is by far the deepest dime recovery I've ever made. But thats over a period of 31 years, too. I'd say 99% of what I've ever found were 8" or less, with most of those being 6-7" or less. The 1% of really deep ones were lucky finds...mere whispers through the headphones, but I really knew those old analog machines with big coils well.

My point is, under the right conditions, I believe its possible to find a coin at 16", but it would tend to be very, very rare, especially if the coin was smaller than a quarter in diameter. On some sand beaches, I think such deep coin finds might be a bit more common, but when you dig loose sand, you really have to consider that the coin might drop down deeper in the hole while digging due to the nature of loose sand. When a scoop is used, and its contents dumped for additional scanning, how do you determine where the coin actually was after its dumped out with the loose sand? Anyway, under those conditions, it would be tough to measure accurately.

I know some reports may come across as 'fish stories', but I've had enough experience to know that very deep recoveries are possible, and not just with Explorers. I would only tend to start doubting when a given hunter continually reports finding coins at those depths (dime size anyway)....possible, but very improbable.

Knipper
 
I made a post on a silver ring being at least17" deep give or take an inch.....its as small as a dime but wide band....it was packed tight fresh water sand (white)...no water involved but moist...using a small garden shovel with long handle(14" atleast)I was digging like it would be there anytime ...loosen sand dig out with hand after it got past 12" or so repeated this till hole was from finger tip to crook of elbow with all loose sand out of hole and couldn't use shovel(too deep) so used fingers to grab(loosen sand) and out it came in last hand full...it was not a dropper for sure....this has never happened again.....so I guess it had a great halo and was perfectly positioned and perfect ground....just an exception to the laws of detecting.....I have no reason to lie and have never fabricated any finds.....its the truth and am very surprised myself....but I am almost certain it will never happen in dirt...and if it was in water then a dropper it may have been....knowing how that happens....it was hand dug the last few inches.
 
It is easy to get dissatisfied when you read on the boards and hear about some of the deep recoveries made. But truth be told the deep recoveries only come because the ground type and mineralization levels allow it. A 14" recovery in one area may be like a 5" recovery in another, both of which would be equally impressive.

HH

Mike
 
I'm not casting doubts on anyone here....

I merely stated that finding such deep targets are rare, and subject to some other factors in how they're recovered, and subsequently measured.

If a member of my club consistently came in claiming 16" finds on coins, however, I would be silently doubtful, but never proclaim fraud. Weird things happen in this hobby...after 31 years I've seen a lot. When I bring my personal experiences into play, along with those of my hunting buddies, I have a lot of info to back my beliefs on deep finds.

Again, anything is possible....just not probable.

A good case in point: One former member of our club (this was 20 years ago) found an old leather coin purse with Barber quarters, dimes, V nickels and Indian heads in it. It was a fantastic find! The coins were stacked within the rotting leather and thus showed little circles of untarnished metal where they were stacked. It was the first time I'd ever seen original mint luster on an Indian Head cent....bright, shiny copper and in great shape. The whole club went crazy over this rare multiple find and this guy got tons of attention and congratulatory back slaps, and rightly so. But apparently, this fellow had few other things in life that gave him such attention. The next month he turned up with another multiple find...two Barber halves and a few dimes he said were in the same hole...a yard find. Every month thereafter, for 5 months he presented multiple finds, each one more sensational than the last. Eventually, his finds weren't fussed over and were actually ignored. They didn't receive one vote for find of the month. Single Indian Head cents got more votes than his small handfuls of Barber and Seated silver. Without saying a word, or accusing in any way, the club had silently decided that his finds were just too improbable...too good to be true with such frequency. I think he finally got the message as his finds started to become more credible after that. Now, its possible that everything he found was legit...an incredible run of luck. But the improbability of it all was just too much to accept, being that before he found the original coin purse, he had typical finds with an occasional nice old coin to show for his efforts.

So while I will concede finding coins at great depths is possible (my friends and I have all had a few really deep ones) , I just don't see it as a consistent, every day occurrence for any given hunter, regardless of machine or technique, happening at different sights and under different conditions. Thank God, too, as I wouldn't have the energy to dig that deep on every signal!

Really, it doesn't matter to me how deep someone finds or says they found a coin. The only thing tangible after a target recovery is the target itself, and that's what you can literally take to the bank.

Knipper
 
Chris...sent you a PM...

Knipper
 
very good story....inspiring...my problem with dfx right now....I am still missing most from 6.0 to 7.0 also.... Today a 45 Merc signal was bouncing all over the place and very weak...and it was only 5.0...not good...and the machine was juiced!
 
I know you are an expert...even if you do not say so....and I know you have tried and know the truth about alot of detectors....tell me is the dfx only a 6 to 7 inch machine at best? I found a ton of clad this year....hunted a ton..but only 12 silver coins...and only one find over 7.0...
 
I am not sure if the post was steered toward anyone this turned out to be a great thread... I am learning a ton..and your find you talk about at that depth is amazing...
 
Gregg....

What diameter coil are you using? I had the 12" Excelerator coil on the SE when I made that Merc find. If you are using an 8 or 9 " coil, its comparing apples to oranges. As you know, lots of factors affect depth. My first detector was a White's TR, and then I moved to Garrett and stuck with them for many years. Then on to Fisher for a while and now my stable includes the SE and the Shadow X5.

The other thing is, I tested all models I ever bought through local dealers, or friends that had a model I was interested in (real hands on) before I bought. I never felt comfortable just mail ordering a machine based on advertising. These kinds of forums are a real help too.

As unreliable as it may seem, air testing was a big factor in my decision. Though I believe many detectors will not detect quite as deeply in the ground (yes, there are exceptions....) If I didn't get good strong signal in air testing, then I was reluctant to buy.

Unfortunately, I've never used the DFX so I can't give you any real advice there. Three or four of the more successful hunters in our club use newer White's models and are happy with them. As I've stated before, most of my finds are 8" or less, even for older coins. Maybe the sites are the issue and not the detector...I don't know. I do understand what you are going through, though. If I NEVER found anything deeper than that, I'd think I would have a depth issue too.

Knipper
 
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