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[BADBAJA]

It's all about supply and demand. If you don't supply something the people will find it elsewhere or build it themselves.

I hope I am wrong but don't expect them (coiltek minelab) to put ANYTHING into making coils for old technology which is what the terra is now. I don't see even a acknowledgement from them on the 6 page want list. Not even a "we will look into it". Thanks for customer service minelab.

So how long do we have to beg a company to get a product that they are aware there is a market for? There would be only 1 reason to NOT make a product customers are demanding and that's direct competition with another product.

I have already bought another detector to fill the void of what I feel I needed. The machine was twice what a new terra coil cost and I would have gladly gave minelab or coiltek my money.

Just another unsatisified customer in the coil dept. lol

 

[Nuke em]

I hope Minelab dont fudge the Terra replacement like they did the ET one ie;- the CTX .
I definately dont want GPS , mapping , findpoints and other unnecessary gumph . Just want a straight simple stem with Terra replacement in mind and waterproof Pro type coil , waterproof box , more numbers and better ET type tones and keep the price down to no more than

 

[firty13]

15 WOT 3khz
15 WOT 18khz
6in DD 3khz

that should cover the rest of the bases with the x-terra if anything id think detech would be able to make some nice SEF coils for the x-terra series but last i read they're a bit busy pumping out 13' Ultimates

 

[BH_Landstar_]

Would be nice to see the CEO / Owner of Minelab respond to this thread, but thats like asking for the coils we all want, so I guess thats not going to happen either !

 

[Nuke em]

Mr Landstar , nice lot of finds you have there this year, nothing like beach work ,
Terra and i are out in the morning .

My second Terra 705 and the unmentionable 12.5in x 8.5in coil has been ordered , wont get the coil till next week but machine will be here in the morning sometime.
Dont think " Minelab " and others will bring out other coils for the Terra because a new one must be out soon and they dont want to make the Terra seem to good in case it take sales from their top end machines.
A unmentionable coil and the Terra 705 is a very good low cost machine though not perfect for all sites and not all the target info of the ET CTX but a brilliant coin hunter.

 

[BR549]

Am also planning on another 705 at the end of the year.Very good machines.
Also I must admit that I actually don't hate round coils,but much like the ellipts better.
Although Am thinking bout getting one of the 6 inch coils for some of my really trashy sites.
The 5.5x9.5 un named coil is good but the 6 would be a little better at target seperation I think.
Though like the above coil very much.

 

[Old Longhair]

I can't understand why you seem to think that the Xterra as it is should be on it's last legs. V-flex technology is barely out of it's infantile stage, and has a long ride ahead of it to enjoy. New (authorized) coils WILL emerge, and the 705 will stand along side the FBS/FBS

 

[Nuke em]

I dont think that V.flex is on its last legs at all but think the design of the Terra and the coil is and will be upgraded as was the Explorer to Explorer 11 then Explorer SE then ET then CTX.
It must be within the next few years and i think mid to late next.
I wont sell my Terra's , they are too good for what i need . The weakest link in the Terra is i think Target i.d. then the coils but it hasn't stopped me finding the amount i have in the last 21 months.
It is an easy machine for the stoney beach or fluffy ploughed and rolled land, like a poor mans Deus and better than a Deus on the beach ! and that i have found.
The Terra rules.

 

[argyle]

15 WOT 3khz
15 WOT 18khz
6in DD 3khz

that should cover the rest of the bases with the x-terra if anything id think detech would be able to make some nice SEF coils for the x-terra series but last i read they're a bit busy pumping out 13' Ultimates

A 15" Wot in 3khz...Why? It won't get any more depth or clarity than the 7khz current Wot.

A 15" Wot in 18khz...Why? It's too high a frequency for a 15" coil and negates itself, it won't be any more sensitive than the current 7khz Wot.

A 6"DD in 3khz...Why? It will negate itself too. And get no deeper or hit with more clarity than the 7.5khz.

Geez we can become a bunch of whingers sometimes. We have the best coil range we could have already, not that the coils show that much difference on an XTerra anyway, only very slight differences across the entire range.

 

[Digger]

I dont think that V.flex is on its last legs at all but think the design of the Terra and the coil is and will be upgraded as was the Explorer to Explorer 11 then Explorer SE then ET then CTX.

I'd be willing to bet that the design of the X-TERRA (and coils) will be around for a long time. And I would also bet that, from a user's standpoint, it is only going to get better. As to your comment about the Explorer to Explorer2 to Explorer SE then E-TRAC then CTX........ The Explorer was released in December 1999 and has been manufacture discontinued. The Minelab Explorer II was released in May 2003 and has been manufacture discontinued. The Minelab Explorer SE was released in September 2006 and has been manufacture discontined. From what I recall, both the Explorer SE Pro and the E-TRAC were introduced in 2008. And both are still being offered as current models. The CTX 3030 was introduced earlier this year, and happens to be the newest in their lineup of current models. With each of these three models still in production, and recognizing the differences in functionality and features, to say one is an upgrade of another is simply not true. Different functions, different features, different detectors.

 

[Nuke em]

They are basically the same machine with a few software upgrades and that is a fact and is what i get told by many detectorists here including a expert on electronics who makes his own machines and coils.

Did not know that the Explorer SE was discontinued but suspected it would be as Des said that if any would then that would be the one to go.

I reakon a new Terra series in a year to 18 months.

Cant wait for my new coil to come next week , after using the 13 x 12 types i think the 12.5 x 8.5 should be good and for land very sensitive to hammered coins , also lighter than the 13x12 which i found heavy due to the s bend in the stem . Machine should have a straight stem.
I rate the Terra's very highly and had another

 

[Old Longhair]

They are basically the same machine with a few software upgrades and that is a fact and is what i get told by many detectorists here including a expert on electronics who makes his own machines and coils.

Did not know that the Explorer SE was discontinued but suspected it would be as Des said that if any would then that would be the one to go.

I think that you must listen to too much gossip.
The only difference between the SE (discontinued) and the SE PRO (still very much available) is the PRO coil. The funtional heart of the machine remains exactly the same.

And to say that the CTX is just a software upgrade from the E-Trac is simply rediculous. There is a significant difference in technology between FBS and FBS

 

[Nuke em]

No , i think its certain thats it a ET in a water proof stem and housing . FBS or FBS 2 or whatever , they are pretty much the same BUT that is what i wanted and have been out with it this afternoon and was not surprised in its capabilty at all except that if you ground balance before you start then it can find the smaller stuff easier for a while until it goes on an area that requires ground balancing again.
I have sorted the tones so for me its an ET that i will use in the wet weather and that is coming.
Found

 

[Digger]

No , i think its certain thats it a ET in a water proof stem and housing .

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but when I see that someone is obviously posting incorrect information about a detector I am very familiar with, those comments will be corrected.

.....other than waterproof.......the CTX 3030 offers GPS/GeoTrail/Navigation/Mapping functionality, on-screen Navigation tool, Coordinate view for on-screen latitude and longitude coordinates, Ferrous -Coin and Ground - coin Separation that allow you to "see" multiple targets under the coil simultaneously, Ground balance capability for extremely mineralized areas, Previous Mode function that allows you to toggle back and forth between Search modes by pressing one pad, Trigger mechanism that allows for ease of pinpointing or back-scrolling through the menu, Target Trace and Target Trace Pinpoint that allow you to see color images of the targets on the SmartScreen, Smart Coil technology (similar to the X-TERRA) that maintains constant communication between the coil and the detector, dual Patterns for each Search mode that can be "toggled" by pressing one pad, Combined audio that allows the user to hear a combination of ferrous AND conductive targets, programmable audio tones so the user can program in the frequency of the tone they want to hear on specific targets, the ability for the user to resize the bins in the Tone ID profiles, the ability to play back those tones for review, wireless audio capabilities using Wi-Stream technology, software upgrades via your PC, rechargeable Li-ion battery pack, full color Liquid Crystal Display............there are probably more that I've overlooked. But considering NONE of these are available on the E-TRAC, it is clear that your certainty is uncertain, to say the least.

 

[Nuke em]

No , i think its certain thats it a ET in a water proof stem and housing .

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but when I see that someone is obviously posting incorrect information about a detector I am very familiar with, those comments will be corrected.

.....other than waterproof.......the CTX 3030 offers GPS/GeoTrail/Navigation/Mapping functionality, on-screen Navigation tool, Coordinate view for on-screen latitude and longitude coordinates, Ferrous -Coin and Ground - coin Separation that allow you to "see" multiple targets under the coil simultaneously, Ground balance capability for extremely mineralized areas, Previous Mode function that allows you to toggle back and forth between Search modes by pressing one pad, Trigger mechanism that allows for ease of pinpointing or back-scrolling through the menu, Target Trace and Target Trace Pinpoint that allow you to see color images of the targets on the SmartScreen, Smart Coil technology (similar to the X-TERRA) that maintains constant communication between the coil and the detector, dual Patterns for each Search mode that can be "toggled" by pressing one pad, Combined audio that allows the user to hear a combination of ferrous AND conductive targets, programmable audio tones so the user can program in the frequency of the tone they want to hear on specific targets, the ability for the user to resize the bins in the Tone ID profiles, the ability to play back those tones for review, wireless audio capabilities using Wi-Stream technology, software upgrades via your PC, rechargeable Li-ion battery pack, full color Liquid Crystal Display............there are probably more that I've overlooked. But considering NONE of these are available on the E-TRAC, it is clear that your certainty is uncertain, to say the least.

In my last post on here i said Gizmo's and that is what i meant , GPS , GeoTrail/Navigation/Mapping , Navigation tool, and all that stuff. That is stuff that i am many accross this side of the pond wont use in month of sundays . The rest is all but ET , numbers , screen patterns and tones , well at least in 50 conduct and coil except for the FBS 2 and different coil connector .

I did not want all these and wished for just a bit of improvement on the performance ie:- nulling on iron or bonfire markings , much better battery consumption, better screen but now you cant even see it unless the light is on at least 1, lighter construction but instead i find that the cost of a replacement lower stem is

 

[E Gold Finger]

Nuke, we both bought new terrors today, but do you know if there is any information on our machines, which tell us the manufacture date, so we know which version we have bought? Would be annoying if we purchased a non functioning coil and how do we know which coils are legal and which are not, when detector shops sell various types?

 

[Old Longhair]

how do we know which coils are legal and which are not, when detector shops sell various types?

That's easy.
The Minelab and Coiltek coils are the ONLY legal ones.
Buy one of the others, and you'll know the rest when you plug it in and it doesn't work.

 

[Nuke em]

They are the post April machines and the so called ilegal coils are post April aswell and my post April coil Will work on my machine and it will work on the older machine too but a pre April ilegal coil wont work on a post April machine .

 

[BADBAJA]

Unauthorized just means they do not have permission from the maker. Look at iPads. They sell hundreds of different brands of after market accessories not authorized by Apple. They are making products that apple does not even make. And guess what? The manufacturers take into consideration a lot of these accessories into the next models, from big screens to computer componets, to video games and phones. Come on, like I said before they are making a product someone wants now or the would not have 20+ listings on eBay WITH SALES (poke minelab and coiltek in bottom here they are falling asleep).

And the "let's have patience" for electronics attitude will get you passed up by your compeditors real quick.

Also I did not see minelab say the coils are "illegal" on the link to the website Digger posted in the FAQ. And as far as I know unauthorized does not mean illegal does it? And why would eBay not pull them? I have not seen any negative comments except they are not authorized.

Not trying to offend anyone just trying to get the truth on the table. Good luck to all of you as I know the hunting season is getting started for most of us as it cools down.

Can someone pm me a forum where these coils are discussed both positive and negative?

 

[Old Longhair]

OK. The thing is that they pirated the technology. It is patent registered and being produced w/o license. And we're not just talking about a simple wound coil. The Xterra has a chip in the coil that is patented that is being reproduced w/o license. It's on the same level as stealing software, only it's technology that has been misappropriated. They are reverse engineering them, which means that they do not have the actual specs, and it is entirely possible that they've missed a few details.

There's a bit more to it, but that's the basic jist of it.